Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:55:01 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

THE STAUNCHEST SANE DEMOCRAT

Isn't that a contradiction of terms?


You can't toss ALL democrats into the barrel of rotten apples. There are
a few honest thinking democrats left.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:24:01 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".




That's the whole point. Super Delegates were established to promote the
establishment candidate in order to prevent an outlier from getting the
nomination and losing the general. The majority of those running the
Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best bet for winning the
election.

.... and we wonder why nothing ever changes. The "party" is controlled
by the same 1% you profess to hate.


Winning in 2016 is everything. I;d love to see Donald insult
Hillary face to face on the debate stage and watch her walk over and
slap his face...hard. :) Or kick him in the nuts...even better.

I would like to see her hauled off in handcuffs for assault and
battery too. That is a win win. ;-)


You might get your wish, but not for assault. She's pretty meek. She
won't even stand up to old ankle pants. She looked horrified as she
watched Ben Laden being taken out. Can you imagine her negotiating with
Russia, China, N Korea or the middle east gangs.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.


So super delegates are the party "powers that be" answer to maybe losing
power. Rigged and crooked!

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

Now that Sharpton has endorsed Bernie, I wonder if he will call the
DNC racist?


Did Big Al actually endorse Bernie? I saw an interview with Al shortly
after their meeting. Al said that Bernie had to offer more specific
plans in his agenda related to the interests of minorities before he
could consider endorsing him.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/16 12:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie
won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins
the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently
has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates
are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

Now that Sharpton has endorsed Bernie, I wonder if he will call the
DNC racist?


Did Big Al actually endorse Bernie? I saw an interview with Al shortly
after their meeting. Al said that Bernie had to offer more specific
plans in his agenda related to the interests of minorities before he
could consider endorsing him.



I didn't see where Sharpton endorsed anyone. He and Bernie had breakfast
and a nice meeting.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 12:10:53 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

Now that Sharpton has endorsed Bernie, I wonder if he will call the
DNC racist?


I'm sure that since Bernie has opened up the avenue to discuss racism,
you'll likely see HRC and racism mentioned in the same sentence.

It is already there CNN's black advocate (Van Jones) was calling the
Clintons to task on the massive black incarceration rate prompted by
Clinton's crime bill and the 100,000 new cops on the beat. Van pretty
much said it was a racist policy.

(Erin Burnett last night)

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 12:17:34 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:55:01 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

THE STAUNCHEST SANE DEMOCRAT

Isn't that a contradiction of terms?


You can't toss ALL democrats into the barrel of rotten apples. There are
a few honest thinking democrats left.

I agree but they are keeping a very low profile these days.
You notice Biden is nowhere to be seen and even Kerry is making
himself pretty scarce.
I imagine they are both warming up in the bull pen tho, in case this
whole Hilly and Bernie thing goes south.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 12:54:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

Now that Sharpton has endorsed Bernie, I wonder if he will call the
DNC racist?


Did Big Al actually endorse Bernie? I saw an interview with Al shortly
after their meeting. Al said that Bernie had to offer more specific
plans in his agenda related to the interests of minorities before he
could consider endorsing him.


It wasn't really an endorsement but certainly there is interest. I
made the mistake of believing the TV folks before I actually heard
what he said. Sorry for any confusion.
I imagine Al has not been promised his pay off yet. This man is "pay
to play".

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 12:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie
won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins
the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently
has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates
are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

Now that Sharpton has endorsed Bernie, I wonder if he will call the
DNC racist?


Did Big Al actually endorse Bernie? I saw an interview with Al shortly
after their meeting. Al said that Bernie had to offer more specific
plans in his agenda related to the interests of minorities before he
could consider endorsing him.


IOW big Al has his arm stretched out with palm up, as usual.

So, if you are a democrat and you choose to cast your vote in a democrat party primary, your vote carries little weight. One man, one vote can be overridden by a few so called "super delegates".

Democratic party democracy in action.