Rigged primaries and elections.
 

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
.... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..



I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 7:06:11 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

he gets 15

I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

he gets 15 and she gets 17 and she didn't have to work for it. lol

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/16 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 7:06:11 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

he gets 15

I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

he gets 15 and she gets 17 and she didn't have to work for it. lol



D'uh. Read up on "super delegates" and report back when you break out of
the bubble. Here's a hint: "super delegates" are not chosen on the basis
of popularity with the voters.

As for "work for it," well, that's another bubble for you, if you are
presuming that Hillary and Bernie were not working really hard to win
the New Hampshire primary.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:06:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..



I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

===

Harry, your own bubble of ignorance is so vast that you can't tell
where it begins or ends.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

You mean it's too bad the GOP doesn't have some way of bypassing elections by the
voters?

I guess you'd consider that 'playing fair', eh Krause?


--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 05:03:33 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

LOL!
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
.... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.


THAT SHOULD **** OFF EVEN THE STAUNCHEST SANE DEMOCRAT.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 6:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

The GOP still believes the peoples vote means something.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 8:18 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:06:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..



I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

===

Harry, your own bubble of ignorance is so vast that you can't tell
where it begins or ends.

There is no beginning or end, it's a sphere.
I do hope Bernie gets the word out that the all powerful control the
outcome of democratic voting. The same "all powerful" that Krause CLAIMS
to despise.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 6:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.


Actually, the number of superdelegates in the Democratic party have been
increasing since it was first implemented back in the 1980's.
Started as 14% of the required delegate votes for nomination. It's now
20% or more. The original purpose has been lost. It's now a way for
the DNC to influence or control the nomination process. The GOP has it
also but to a far lesser extent.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 8:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 7:06:11 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

he gets 15

I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

he gets 15 and she gets 17 and she didn't have to work for it. lol



D'uh. Read up on "super delegates" and report back when you break out of
the bubble. Here's a hint: "super delegates" are not chosen on the basis
of popularity with the voters.


That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/16 9:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 6:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.


Actually, the number of superdelegates in the Democratic party have been
increasing since it was first implemented back in the 1980's.
Started as 14% of the required delegate votes for nomination. It's now
20% or more. The original purpose has been lost. It's now a way for
the DNC to influence or control the nomination process. The GOP has it
also but to a far lesser extent.




One of my old friends in New England is a "super delegate," but she
always has voted as her delegation wished.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/16 9:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 8:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 7:06:11 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

he gets 15

I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

he gets 15 and she gets 17 and she didn't have to work for it. lol



D'uh. Read up on "super delegates" and report back when you break out of
the bubble. Here's a hint: "super delegates" are not chosen on the basis
of popularity with the voters.


That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".




That's the whole point. Super Delegates were established to promote the
establishment candidate in order to prevent an outlier from getting the
nomination and losing the general. The majority of those running the
Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best bet for winning the
election. Winning in 2016 is everything. I;d love to see Donald insult
Hillary face to face on the debate stage and watch her walk over and
slap his face...hard. :) Or kick him in the nuts...even better.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:08:53 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/11/2016 8:18 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:06:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..



I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

===

Harry, your own bubble of ignorance is so vast that you can't tell
where it begins or ends.

There is no beginning or end, it's a sphere.
I do hope Bernie gets the word out that the all powerful control the
outcome of democratic voting. The same "all powerful" that Krause CLAIMS
to despise.

Funny how that seems to fall by the wayside when his sweetie is the beneficiary.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 9:24 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 9:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 8:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 7:06:11 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

he gets 15

I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone
lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

he gets 15 and she gets 17 and she didn't have to work for it. lol



D'uh. Read up on "super delegates" and report back when you break out of
the bubble. Here's a hint: "super delegates" are not chosen on the basis
of popularity with the voters.


That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".




That's the whole point. Super Delegates were established to promote the
establishment candidate in order to prevent an outlier from getting the
nomination and losing the general. The majority of those running the
Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best bet for winning the
election. Winning in 2016 is everything. I;d love to see Donald insult
Hillary face to face on the debate stage and watch her walk over and
slap his face...hard. :) Or kick him in the nuts...even better.

I would have loved to see her show some emotion and do all of those
things to Billy when he got caught getting blow jobs from the chubby
little intern.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 9:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 8:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 7:06:11 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

he gets 15

I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

he gets 15 and she gets 17 and she didn't have to work for it. lol



D'uh. Read up on "super delegates" and report back when you break out of
the bubble. Here's a hint: "super delegates" are not chosen on the basis
of popularity with the voters.


That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".



The all powerful overriding the will of the people. We already have
O'Bama doing it. Do we really want more of the same?

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 9:24 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 9:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 8:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 7:06:11 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

he gets 15

I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone
lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

he gets 15 and she gets 17 and she didn't have to work for it. lol



D'uh. Read up on "super delegates" and report back when you break out of
the bubble. Here's a hint: "super delegates" are not chosen on the basis
of popularity with the voters.


That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".




That's the whole point. Super Delegates were established to promote the
establishment candidate in order to prevent an outlier from getting the
nomination and losing the general. The majority of those running the
Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best bet for winning the
election. Winning in 2016 is everything. I;d love to see Donald insult
Hillary face to face on the debate stage and watch her walk over and
slap his face...hard. :) Or kick him in the nuts...even better.


What you just posted is really the "whole point". "The majority of
those *running* the Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best
bet for winning the election." So, screw what the Democratic *voters*
think or want, eh?

I think there's a genuine movement going on to terminate business as
usual in our political process and our elected officials. I think the
feeling is shared by both Democrats, Independents and Republicans, ergo
the popularity of Bernie and Trump. Hillary represents the old
political establishment as does Jeb and a few other Republicans. They
can't generate much interest in their candidacy either.

The people should decide, not a bunch of insiders led by Debby Wasserman
Schultz.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 9:51 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 9:24 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 9:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 8:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 7:06:11 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

he gets 15

I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone
lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

he gets 15 and she gets 17 and she didn't have to work for it. lol



D'uh. Read up on "super delegates" and report back when you break
out of
the bubble. Here's a hint: "super delegates" are not chosen on the
basis
of popularity with the voters.


That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".




That's the whole point. Super Delegates were established to promote the
establishment candidate in order to prevent an outlier from getting the
nomination and losing the general. The majority of those running the
Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best bet for winning the
election. Winning in 2016 is everything. I;d love to see Donald insult
Hillary face to face on the debate stage and watch her walk over and
slap his face...hard. :) Or kick him in the nuts...even better.


What you just posted is really the "whole point". "The majority of
those *running* the Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best
bet for winning the election." So, screw what the Democratic *voters*
think or want, eh?

I think there's a genuine movement going on to terminate business as
usual in our political process and our elected officials. I think the
feeling is shared by both Democrats, Independents and Republicans, ergo
the popularity of Bernie and Trump. Hillary represents the old
political establishment as does Jeb and a few other Republicans. They
can't generate much interest in their candidacy either.

The people should decide, not a bunch of insiders led by Debby Wasserman
Schultz.



I wonder who those running the democratic party are and why we should
trust them to run our country?

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

9:33 AMJustan Olphart
- show quoted text -
I wonder who those running the democratic party are and why we should
trust them to run our country?
......

I'm wondering when they'll appoint "super-dooper" delegates.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

Now that Sharpton has endorsed Bernie, I wonder if he will call the
DNC racist?

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:14:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

D'uh. Read up on "super delegates" and report back when you break out of
the bubble.

It simply points out how little the parties value the votes of their
constituents. People who think the country is ruled by the ballot box
are the ones in the bubble. The question is whether Bernie's quest to
reduce the power of the 1% will extend to his own party apparatchiks.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:38:37 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

You mean it's too bad the GOP doesn't have some way of bypassing elections by the
voters?

I guess you'd consider that 'playing fair', eh Krause?

This is just another reason why I refuse to use the work "democratic"
to refer to the democrat party.
They have no respect for the votes of the populace and that is by
definition not "democratic".
The GOP uses the vote count to allocate delegates and the only "super
delegates" are the local party heads (2 or 3 per state).
They can't overturn a landslide like the democrat party did in New
Hampshire.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:55:01 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

THE STAUNCHEST SANE DEMOCRAT

Isn't that a contradiction of terms?

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:19:28 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

One of my old friends in New England is a "super delegate," but she
always has voted as her delegation wished.

The "delegation" (party) or the voters?

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:24:01 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".




That's the whole point. Super Delegates were established to promote the
establishment candidate in order to prevent an outlier from getting the
nomination and losing the general. The majority of those running the
Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best bet for winning the
election.

.... and we wonder why nothing ever changes. The "party" is controlled
by the same 1% you profess to hate.


Winning in 2016 is everything. I;d love to see Donald insult
Hillary face to face on the debate stage and watch her walk over and
slap his face...hard. :) Or kick him in the nuts...even better.

I would like to see her hauled off in handcuffs for assault and
battery too. That is a win win. ;-)

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

Now that Sharpton has endorsed Bernie, I wonder if he will call the
DNC racist?


I'm sure that since Bernie has opened up the avenue to discuss racism,
you'll likely see HRC and racism mentioned in the same sentence.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:38:37 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

You mean it's too bad the GOP doesn't have some way of bypassing elections by the
voters?

I guess you'd consider that 'playing fair', eh Krause?

This is just another reason why I refuse to use the work "democratic"
to refer to the democrat party.
They have no respect for the votes of the populace and that is by
definition not "democratic".
The GOP uses the vote count to allocate delegates and the only "super
delegates" are the local party heads (2 or 3 per state).
They can't overturn a landslide like the democrat party did in New
Hampshire.

With respect to dirty and slimy politics, do you think the GOP even
comes a distant 2nd to the Democratic party?

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:55:01 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

THE STAUNCHEST SANE DEMOCRAT

Isn't that a contradiction of terms?


You can't toss ALL democrats into the barrel of rotten apples. There are
a few honest thinking democrats left.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:24:01 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".




That's the whole point. Super Delegates were established to promote the
establishment candidate in order to prevent an outlier from getting the
nomination and losing the general. The majority of those running the
Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best bet for winning the
election.

.... and we wonder why nothing ever changes. The "party" is controlled
by the same 1% you profess to hate.


Winning in 2016 is everything. I;d love to see Donald insult
Hillary face to face on the debate stage and watch her walk over and
slap his face...hard. :) Or kick him in the nuts...even better.

I would like to see her hauled off in handcuffs for assault and
battery too. That is a win win. ;-)


You might get your wish, but not for assault. She's pretty meek. She
won't even stand up to old ankle pants. She looked horrified as she
watched Ben Laden being taken out. Can you imagine her negotiating with
Russia, China, N Korea or the middle east gangs.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.


So super delegates are the party "powers that be" answer to maybe losing
power. Rigged and crooked!

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

Now that Sharpton has endorsed Bernie, I wonder if he will call the
DNC racist?


Did Big Al actually endorse Bernie? I saw an interview with Al shortly
after their meeting. Al said that Bernie had to offer more specific
plans in his agenda related to the interests of minorities before he
could consider endorsing him.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/16 12:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie
won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins
the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently
has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates
are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

Now that Sharpton has endorsed Bernie, I wonder if he will call the
DNC racist?


Did Big Al actually endorse Bernie? I saw an interview with Al shortly
after their meeting. Al said that Bernie had to offer more specific
plans in his agenda related to the interests of minorities before he
could consider endorsing him.



I didn't see where Sharpton endorsed anyone. He and Bernie had breakfast
and a nice meeting.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 12:10:53 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

Now that Sharpton has endorsed Bernie, I wonder if he will call the
DNC racist?


I'm sure that since Bernie has opened up the avenue to discuss racism,
you'll likely see HRC and racism mentioned in the same sentence.

It is already there CNN's black advocate (Van Jones) was calling the
Clintons to task on the massive black incarceration rate prompted by
Clinton's crime bill and the 100,000 new cops on the beat. Van pretty
much said it was a racist policy.

(Erin Burnett last night)

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 12:17:34 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:55:01 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

THE STAUNCHEST SANE DEMOCRAT

Isn't that a contradiction of terms?


You can't toss ALL democrats into the barrel of rotten apples. There are
a few honest thinking democrats left.

I agree but they are keeping a very low profile these days.
You notice Biden is nowhere to be seen and even Kerry is making
himself pretty scarce.
I imagine they are both warming up in the bull pen tho, in case this
whole Hilly and Bernie thing goes south.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 12:54:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/11/2016 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

Now that Sharpton has endorsed Bernie, I wonder if he will call the
DNC racist?


Did Big Al actually endorse Bernie? I saw an interview with Al shortly
after their meeting. Al said that Bernie had to offer more specific
plans in his agenda related to the interests of minorities before he
could consider endorsing him.


It wasn't really an endorsement but certainly there is interest. I
made the mistake of believing the TV folks before I actually heard
what he said. Sorry for any confusion.
I imagine Al has not been promised his pay off yet. This man is "pay
to play".

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 12:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie
won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins
the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently
has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates
are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

Now that Sharpton has endorsed Bernie, I wonder if he will call the
DNC racist?


Did Big Al actually endorse Bernie? I saw an interview with Al shortly
after their meeting. Al said that Bernie had to offer more specific
plans in his agenda related to the interests of minorities before he
could consider endorsing him.


IOW big Al has his arm stretched out with palm up, as usual.

So, if you are a democrat and you choose to cast your vote in a democrat party primary, your vote carries little weight. One man, one vote can be overridden by a few so called "super delegates".

Democratic party democracy in action.