Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 9:51 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 9:24 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 9:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2016 8:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:10 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 7:06:11 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/11/16 8:03 AM, Tim wrote:
Looks like Bernie got a lesson on delegate re-distribution..

he gets 15

I have a strong feeling that the concept of "super delegates" was not
news to Bernie or any other professional politician. Not everyone
lives
in the bubble of ignorance.

he gets 15 and she gets 17 and she didn't have to work for it. lol



D'uh. Read up on "super delegates" and report back when you break
out of
the bubble. Here's a hint: "super delegates" are not chosen on the
basis
of popularity with the voters.


That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".




That's the whole point. Super Delegates were established to promote the
establishment candidate in order to prevent an outlier from getting the
nomination and losing the general. The majority of those running the
Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best bet for winning the
election. Winning in 2016 is everything. I;d love to see Donald insult
Hillary face to face on the debate stage and watch her walk over and
slap his face...hard. :) Or kick him in the nuts...even better.


What you just posted is really the "whole point". "The majority of
those *running* the Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best
bet for winning the election." So, screw what the Democratic *voters*
think or want, eh?

I think there's a genuine movement going on to terminate business as
usual in our political process and our elected officials. I think the
feeling is shared by both Democrats, Independents and Republicans, ergo
the popularity of Bernie and Trump. Hillary represents the old
political establishment as does Jeb and a few other Republicans. They
can't generate much interest in their candidacy either.

The people should decide, not a bunch of insiders led by Debby Wasserman
Schultz.



I wonder who those running the democratic party are and why we should
trust them to run our country?

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9:33 AMJustan Olphart
- show quoted text -
I wonder who those running the democratic party are and why we should
trust them to run our country?
......

I'm wondering when they'll appoint "super-dooper" delegates.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

Now that Sharpton has endorsed Bernie, I wonder if he will call the
DNC racist?

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:14:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

D'uh. Read up on "super delegates" and report back when you break out of
the bubble.

It simply points out how little the parties value the votes of their
constituents. People who think the country is ruled by the ballot box
are the ones in the bubble. The question is whether Bernie's quest to
reduce the power of the 1% will extend to his own party apparatchiks.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:38:37 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

You mean it's too bad the GOP doesn't have some way of bypassing elections by the
voters?

I guess you'd consider that 'playing fair', eh Krause?

This is just another reason why I refuse to use the work "democratic"
to refer to the democrat party.
They have no respect for the votes of the populace and that is by
definition not "democratic".
The GOP uses the vote count to allocate delegates and the only "super
delegates" are the local party heads (2 or 3 per state).
They can't overturn a landslide like the democrat party did in New
Hampshire.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:55:01 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

THE STAUNCHEST SANE DEMOCRAT

Isn't that a contradiction of terms?

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:19:28 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

One of my old friends in New England is a "super delegate," but she
always has voted as her delegation wished.

The "delegation" (party) or the voters?

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On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 09:24:01 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

That's the point Harry. Bernie clobbered Hillary in NH's primary
setting a record for what, coming in 22 points ahead? Yet, Hillary
walks away with the majority of the NH delegates in her nomination
quest. Talk about the "establishment".




That's the whole point. Super Delegates were established to promote the
establishment candidate in order to prevent an outlier from getting the
nomination and losing the general. The majority of those running the
Democratic Party still believe Hillary is the best bet for winning the
election.

.... and we wonder why nothing ever changes. The "party" is controlled
by the same 1% you profess to hate.


Winning in 2016 is everything. I;d love to see Donald insult
Hillary face to face on the debate stage and watch her walk over and
slap his face...hard. :) Or kick him in the nuts...even better.

I would like to see her hauled off in handcuffs for assault and
battery too. That is a win win. ;-)

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

Now that Sharpton has endorsed Bernie, I wonder if he will call the
DNC racist?


I'm sure that since Bernie has opened up the avenue to discuss racism,
you'll likely see HRC and racism mentioned in the same sentence.

Rigged primaries and elections.
 

On 2/11/2016 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:38:37 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 06:51:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/11/16 2:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

So, who won the NH Democratic primary? One would think that Bernie won,
having received 60 percent of the vote.

Not so, it seems. The DNC doesn't want Bernie so they have
manipulated the delegate count by apply their "super delegates" votes
in favor of Hillary. Basically, the DNC is saying, "Screw you voters
... *we* will decide who becomes the Democratic nominee."

What is a "superdelegate" you ask?

Superdelegates are political insiders. They consist of state officials,
national officials, Democratic (in this case) Committee members and
others with "special" interests in a specific candidate.
They can cast their vote any way they want to regardless of who wins the
popular vote.

A Democratic candidate needs 2,382 total delegates to win the
nomination. Of those, 712 are superdelegates. Hillary, despite a
virtual tie with Sanders in Iowa and a major popular vote loss in NH,
still is far ahead of Sanders in committed delegates. She currently has
394 delegates compared to 44 for Bernie. 360 of Hillary's delegates are
"superdelegates".

This is a joke and a mockery of what are supposed to be elections
determined by voters. The DNC will decide who their candidate is.



"Superdelegates" have long been a contentious issue within the party,
and came about to help prevent the nomination of a candidate who might
have been popular but believed to be an impending disaster in the
electoral college. I'm not sure how significant superdelegate status is
these days because of changes in the rules, but superdelegates still
have some status.

Too bad the GOP hasn't some way to at least steer its nominating
processes, considering the party's likely POTUS candidate will be an
absolutely crazy mutt.

You mean it's too bad the GOP doesn't have some way of bypassing elections by the
voters?

I guess you'd consider that 'playing fair', eh Krause?

This is just another reason why I refuse to use the work "democratic"
to refer to the democrat party.
They have no respect for the votes of the populace and that is by
definition not "democratic".
The GOP uses the vote count to allocate delegates and the only "super
delegates" are the local party heads (2 or 3 per state).
They can't overturn a landslide like the democrat party did in New
Hampshire.

With respect to dirty and slimy politics, do you think the GOP even
comes a distant 2nd to the Democratic party?