Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically
saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that
the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm".

TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday
that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well
before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the
Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force
winds.

The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision
was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's
intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already
formed and was situated.


http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb

On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically
saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that
the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm".

TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday
that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well
before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the
Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force
winds.

The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision
was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's
intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already
formed and was situated.


http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb

As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad
judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the
American way lately.

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 03:52:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically
saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that
the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm".

TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday
that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well
before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the
Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force
winds.

The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision
was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's
intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already
formed and was situated.


http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb

Royal Caribbean and Carnival are two on which I'd never take a cruise. Next in the bucket:

https://disneycruise.disney.go.com/c...-disney-magic/

....when we sell the house. (Give it a couple seconds to load.)
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

On 2/9/2016 8:19 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 03:52:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically
saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that
the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm".

TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday
that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well
before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the
Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force
winds.

The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision
was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's
intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already
formed and was situated.


http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb

Royal Caribbean and Carnival are two on which I'd never take a cruise. Next in the bucket:

https://disneycruise.disney.go.com/c...-disney-magic/

....when we sell the house. (Give it a couple seconds to load.)
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

Royal Carribean and Carnival shouldn't be mentioned in the same
sentence. Carnival is the cattle car of cruise lines. Those who have
visited Gitmo know about the cattle car.

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:14:34 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically
saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that
the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm".

TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday
that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well
before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the
Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force
winds.

The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision
was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's
intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already
formed and was situated.


http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb

As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad
judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the
American way lately.

I just noticed that the guests were given 'complimentary' movies in their staterooms. This would
imply that movies are normally 'sold' in the staterooms. I guess Disney movies are free because
Disney makes so many movies.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

On 2/9/2016 8:14 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically
saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that
the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm".

TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday
that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well
before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the
Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force
winds.

The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision
was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's
intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already
formed and was situated.


http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb

As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad
judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the
American way lately.


This smacks of bean counters overruling or pressuring the ship's captain
as to getting underway or not from New Jersey. To take a so called ship
like that out full of 1,000's of passengers and head directly into 30
foot confused seas and hurricane force winds is beyond negligent IMO.
It's not like it was one of those sudden, surprise hurricanes that
Skipper used to sail his Bayliner into. Knowledge of this storm had been
well established, including it's severity by the National Weather
Service days before it left. Guy should be stripped of his license and
the bean counters should be fired.

On 2/9/2016 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2016 8:14 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically
saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that
the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm".

TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday
that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well
before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the
Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force
winds.

The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision
was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's
intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already
formed and was situated.


http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb

As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad
judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the
American way lately.


This smacks of bean counters overruling or pressuring the ship's captain
as to getting underway or not from New Jersey. To take a so called ship
like that out full of 1,000's of passengers and head directly into 30
foot confused seas and hurricane force winds is beyond negligent IMO.
It's not like it was one of those sudden, surprise hurricanes that
Skipper used to sail his Bayliner into. Knowledge of this storm had been
well established, including it's severity by the National Weather
Service days before it left. Guy should be stripped of his license and
the bean counters should be fired.



No one outranks the captain. Even bean counters.

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:37:04 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/9/2016 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2016 8:14 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically
saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that
the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm".

TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday
that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well
before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the
Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force
winds.

The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision
was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's
intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already
formed and was situated.


http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb

As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad
judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the
American way lately.


This smacks of bean counters overruling or pressuring the ship's captain
as to getting underway or not from New Jersey. To take a so called ship
like that out full of 1,000's of passengers and head directly into 30
foot confused seas and hurricane force winds is beyond negligent IMO.
It's not like it was one of those sudden, surprise hurricanes that
Skipper used to sail his Bayliner into. Knowledge of this storm had been
well established, including it's severity by the National Weather
Service days before it left. Guy should be stripped of his license and
the bean counters should be fired.



No one outranks the captain. Even bean counters.

===

The captain is caught between a rock and a hard place in a situation
like that. Clearly his first responsibility is to the safety of the
passengers, crew and ship. However, if he butts heads with the home
office, his future employment is at risk. It was an expensive mistake
by someone, many millions no doubt, not to mention the bad publicity.

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:26:53 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/9/2016 8:19 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 03:52:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically
saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that
the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm".

TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday
that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well
before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the
Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force
winds.

The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision
was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's
intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already
formed and was situated.


http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb

Royal Caribbean and Carnival are two on which I'd never take a cruise. Next in the bucket:

https://disneycruise.disney.go.com/c...-disney-magic/

....when we sell the house. (Give it a couple seconds to load.)
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, and narcissists...not guns!

Royal Carribean and Carnival shouldn't be mentioned in the same
sentence. Carnival is the cattle car of cruise lines. Those who have
visited Gitmo know about the cattle car.

===

We've only been on two of the big cruise ship lines - Royal Caribbean
and Princess. I thought they both did a good job but that's a limited
sample size.

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:37:04 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/9/2016 8:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2016 8:14 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2016 3:52 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Saw this discussed on "The Weather Channel". They were basically
saying "BS" to the claims by the Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines that
the "Anthem of the Seas" was caught in an "unexpected large storm".

TWC showed National Weather Service forecasts as early as last Wednesday
that accurately forecast the storm and it's severity forming, well
before the ship left New Jersey headed for Florida en-route to the
Bahamas. The ship sailed right into 30+ foot seas and hurricane force
winds.

The Weather Channel meteorologists were at a loss as to why the decision
was made for the cruise ship to sail anyway, especially along it's
intended course off of Cape Hatteras where the storm had already
formed and was situated.


http://tinyurl.com/jov5edb

As with the ship of state, when things go terribly wrong due to bad
judgement, the captain should be fired. But, it seems, that's not the
American way lately.


This smacks of bean counters overruling or pressuring the ship's captain
as to getting underway or not from New Jersey. To take a so called ship
like that out full of 1,000's of passengers and head directly into 30
foot confused seas and hurricane force winds is beyond negligent IMO.
It's not like it was one of those sudden, surprise hurricanes that
Skipper used to sail his Bayliner into. Knowledge of this storm had been
well established, including it's severity by the National Weather
Service days before it left. Guy should be stripped of his license and
the bean counters should be fired.



No one outranks the captain. Even bean counters.

But the bean counters can still fire the captain.

I agree with Richard, this is like the Faro. Somebody sitting in an
office told him to go. The captain may have still been culpable tho
since he can say no. The CG said the ship itself was never in danger
but those cruise liners look pretty "tippy" to me. I think if you get
sideways to the sea, they will go over.
My first thought was what would the Coast Guard do if there was a
total loss of the ship. With 3000+ people on board, they don't have
enough assets to carry them all to shore.