On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:17:38 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:10:20 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 02:53:38 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 22:50:20 -0500,
wrote:

We now take a much needed break from the ongoing gun battle:

http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/01/07/2016-is-a-breakthrough-year-for-hyperloo?videoId=366947489&videoChannel=118169

This is real life science fiction taking place.

The only fiction here is the idea that they can come up with the money
to build it, allay health concerns and get all of the environmental
permits.
This is California where there are plenty of people who think power
lines will kill them. This magnetic drive will send them over the
edge.

===

Elon Musk has a proven track record of being able to move a project
that no one thinks is possible. It will be interesting to see how
this one evolves. I consider him to be the Thomas Edison of our time
and would not bet against anything that he's advocating.

Musk is an amazing guy but this is a Mars shot in this environment and
not near as exciting in the long run.

===

In some ways it's more exciting than a Mars shot. We've already sent
a whole bunch of probes to Mars and it's just an incremental step or
two to send people there, just as it was with the moon 50 years ago.
On the other hand the Hyper Loop is a whole new form of land based
transportation. There's been nothing truly revolutionary in that
category for over 100 years. I don't see why it couldn't share
right-of-way with existing rail lines or interstate highways. It's
extremely energy efficient, non-poluting, and offers potential speeds
greater than Mach I since it travels in a near vacuum. Assuming it
can be built, all that it needs for complete acceptance is some sort
of car sharing service at each end. We might have partially robotic
cars in the near future that would be all lined up at your destination
waiting for you to jump in and take off.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/8/2016 1:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 02:53:38 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 22:50:20 -0500,
wrote:

We now take a much needed break from the ongoing gun battle:

http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/01/07/2016-is-a-breakthrough-year-for-hyperloo?videoId=366947489&videoChannel=118169

This is real life science fiction taking place.

The only fiction here is the idea that they can come up with the money
to build it, allay health concerns and get all of the environmental
permits.
This is California where there are plenty of people who think power
lines will kill them. This magnetic drive will send them over the
edge.

===

Elon Musk has a proven track record of being able to move a project
that no one thinks is possible. It will be interesting to see how
this one evolves. I consider him to be the Thomas Edison of our time
and would not bet against anything that he's advocating.


Elon musk has 3 operations, and this will make the 4th, all subsidized by
the government. He is like Edison, in most of Edison patents were done by
someone working for him. SpaceX interviews prospective engineers and rips
off the design they are asked to do. Part of the interview process is
signing away anything shown in the interview.


I've was involved in giving deposition in a lawsuit for something like
this although it didn't involve anything disclosed during an interview
for a job. A company can legally claim rights to anything designed or
developed by an employee while they are employed by the company and if
the subject item is part of the company's business area or products.

If an employee developed something *before* they became employed, he
retains the rights to it (if patented) or it becomes a negotiated
issue. "Prior knowledge" or something like that. Usually something
developed that becomes patented lists the individual employee or
employees responsible for it's design as the "inventor" but the rights
to it are assigned to the company.

It was a while ago though and I've forgotten all the details.


Yes, the name of the inventors, including some who were just in the
building are on the patent, and the patent is assigned to the employer.
SpaceX gets a release from someone interviewing to use anything "invented"
during the interview. Very shady!

wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:17:38 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:10:20 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 02:53:38 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 22:50:20 -0500,
wrote:

We now take a much needed break from the ongoing gun battle:

http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/01/07/2016-is-a-breakthrough-year-for-hyperloo?videoId=366947489&videoChannel=118169

This is real life science fiction taking place.

The only fiction here is the idea that they can come up with the money
to build it, allay health concerns and get all of the environmental
permits.
This is California where there are plenty of people who think power
lines will kill them. This magnetic drive will send them over the
edge.

===

Elon Musk has a proven track record of being able to move a project
that no one thinks is possible. It will be interesting to see how
this one evolves. I consider him to be the Thomas Edison of our time
and would not bet against anything that he's advocating.

Musk is an amazing guy but this is a Mars shot in this environment and
not near as exciting in the long run.

===

In some ways it's more exciting than a Mars shot. We've already sent
a whole bunch of probes to Mars and it's just an incremental step or
two to send people there, just as it was with the moon 50 years ago.
On the other hand the Hyper Loop is a whole new form of land based
transportation. There's been nothing truly revolutionary in that
category for over 100 years. I don't see why it couldn't share
right-of-way with existing rail lines or interstate highways. It's
extremely energy efficient, non-poluting, and offers potential speeds
greater than Mach I since it travels in a near vacuum. Assuming it
can be built, all that it needs for complete acceptance is some sort
of car sharing service at each end. We might have partially robotic
cars in the near future that would be all lined up at your destination
waiting for you to jump in and take off.


The pollution is just moved to the power plant. The design would be very
costly to both build and run. Just generating that much vacuum in a long
tube would require tremendous amounts of energy as well as extremely
strong wall design, adding huge costs. Getting over the strength-financial
hurtles would be very hard.

On 1/8/2016 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 12:25:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/8/2016 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 02:53:38 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 22:50:20 -0500,
wrote:

We now take a much needed break from the ongoing gun battle:

http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/01/07/2016-is-a-breakthrough-year-for-hyperloo?videoId=366947489&videoChannel=118169

This is real life science fiction taking place.

The only fiction here is the idea that they can come up with the money
to build it, allay health concerns and get all of the environmental
permits.
This is California where there are plenty of people who think power
lines will kill them. This magnetic drive will send them over the
edge.

===

Elon Musk has a proven track record of being able to move a project
that no one thinks is possible. It will be interesting to see how
this one evolves. I consider him to be the Thomas Edison of our time
and would not bet against anything that he's advocating.



You have to remember that Greg thinks anything new is impossible for one
reason or another. :-)


Not impossible technically, only politically and financially.

I have always been in charge of adversity and if things worked right,
my phone would never ring, so I try to see problems down the road and
do my best to avoid them.


I am programmed pretty much the same way except rather than avoid them,
I attempt to solve them. Drives my wife nuts though.

On 1/8/2016 7:56 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:17:38 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:10:20 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 02:53:38 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 22:50:20 -0500,
wrote:

We now take a much needed break from the ongoing gun battle:

http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/01/07/2016-is-a-breakthrough-year-for-hyperloo?videoId=366947489&videoChannel=118169

This is real life science fiction taking place.

The only fiction here is the idea that they can come up with the money
to build it, allay health concerns and get all of the environmental
permits.
This is California where there are plenty of people who think power
lines will kill them. This magnetic drive will send them over the
edge.

===

Elon Musk has a proven track record of being able to move a project
that no one thinks is possible. It will be interesting to see how
this one evolves. I consider him to be the Thomas Edison of our time
and would not bet against anything that he's advocating.

Musk is an amazing guy but this is a Mars shot in this environment and
not near as exciting in the long run.

===

In some ways it's more exciting than a Mars shot. We've already sent
a whole bunch of probes to Mars and it's just an incremental step or
two to send people there, just as it was with the moon 50 years ago.
On the other hand the Hyper Loop is a whole new form of land based
transportation. There's been nothing truly revolutionary in that
category for over 100 years. I don't see why it couldn't share
right-of-way with existing rail lines or interstate highways. It's
extremely energy efficient, non-poluting, and offers potential speeds
greater than Mach I since it travels in a near vacuum. Assuming it
can be built, all that it needs for complete acceptance is some sort
of car sharing service at each end. We might have partially robotic
cars in the near future that would be all lined up at your destination
waiting for you to jump in and take off.



Aristotle sayeth, "Nature abhors a vacuum".

Having spent most of my adult working career creating them, I think he
was on to something. :-)

On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 16:46:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I've was involved in giving deposition in a lawsuit for something like
this although it didn't involve anything disclosed during an interview
for a job. A company can legally claim rights to anything designed or
developed by an employee while they are employed by the company and if
the subject item is part of the company's business area or products.

If an employee developed something *before* they became employed, he
retains the rights to it (if patented) or it becomes a negotiated
issue. "Prior knowledge" or something like that. Usually something
developed that becomes patented lists the individual employee or
employees responsible for it's design as the "inventor" but the rights
to it are assigned to the company.

It was a while ago though and I've forgotten all the details.

A lot depends on what is in your employment contract. IBM was pretty
draconian on this. If I invented a better toilet plunger when I worked
for them, IBM still would have owned the rights to it.
The only way around that was to get a prior waiver and that probably
would have come with the "suggestion" that you seek your fortune
elsewhere. They really wanted you inventing for them.

I do think the biggest thing Edison invented was the intellectual
property agreement. That allowed him to set up 2 invention factories.,
There is the one everyone knows about in Menlo Park but he also had a
similar operation in Ft Myers
The bamboo in my back yard is from Edison's light bulb experiments.
He contracted the Koreshans to grow many strains of bamboo because
that was one of his ideas for a filament. It is everywhere around here
now. Fortunately these are not the invasive strains that take over the
countryside.

On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 19:56:12 -0500,
wrote:



In some ways it's more exciting than a Mars shot. We've already sent
a whole bunch of probes to Mars and it's just an incremental step or
two to send people there, just as it was with the moon 50 years ago.
On the other hand the Hyper Loop is a whole new form of land based
transportation. There's been nothing truly revolutionary in that
category for over 100 years. I don't see why it couldn't share
right-of-way with existing rail lines or interstate highways. It's
extremely energy efficient, non-poluting, and offers potential speeds
greater than Mach I since it travels in a near vacuum. Assuming it
can be built, all that it needs for complete acceptance is some sort
of car sharing service at each end. We might have partially robotic
cars in the near future that would be all lined up at your destination
waiting for you to jump in and take off.

It is not the technology that is the problem. It is the scope.
I still think these tyopes of things are better suited to the north
east where things are closer together and people are already used to
mass transit.

On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 00:00:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/8/2016 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 12:25:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/8/2016 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jan 2016 02:53:38 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 07 Jan 2016 22:50:20 -0500,
wrote:

We now take a much needed break from the ongoing gun battle:

http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/01/07/2016-is-a-breakthrough-year-for-hyperloo?videoId=366947489&videoChannel=118169

This is real life science fiction taking place.

The only fiction here is the idea that they can come up with the money
to build it, allay health concerns and get all of the environmental
permits.
This is California where there are plenty of people who think power
lines will kill them. This magnetic drive will send them over the
edge.

===

Elon Musk has a proven track record of being able to move a project
that no one thinks is possible. It will be interesting to see how
this one evolves. I consider him to be the Thomas Edison of our time
and would not bet against anything that he's advocating.



You have to remember that Greg thinks anything new is impossible for one
reason or another. :-)


Not impossible technically, only politically and financially.

I have always been in charge of adversity and if things worked right,
my phone would never ring, so I try to see problems down the road and
do my best to avoid them.


I am programmed pretty much the same way except rather than avoid them,
I attempt to solve them. Drives my wife nuts though.


I always try to fix problems, even when they are not really my
responsibility but it is easier to for see the problem if you can.
At least you might have the part ;-)

BTW CEs are famous for being cynical
When I was writing my real big program, I asked one of the old guys
why CEs didn't trust computers. He said it was because we never saw
one that was working right.