Overreacting government
 

On 12/15/2015 4:32 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/15/15 4:15 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:57:08 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/15/15 1:56 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:33:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/15/15 1:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/15/2015 1:02 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 12/15/2015 9:23 AM, True North wrote:
Keyser Söze
- show quoted text -
"Why are you whining about government employment? Weren't you a
government employee most of your working life? Wasn't your wife?
Didn't
your wife get health plan benefits from an employee union?
You're biting
the hands that fed you, eh?"


The John got his......to 'ell with anyone else.

What did John get that you didn't?


John didn't "get" anything. He earned it, based on the contract he
had for his service.

Sorta like a union.



John's problem is that he resents other government employees who get
benefits.

I resent the creation of 'jobs' which accomplish nothing but
increasing the size of
the government.
--


Well, then, you should have resigned from the army before you vested, as
it were.

The fact that several of us are having a discussion without rancor and
name-calling,
even though we disagree, just bugs the **** out of you, doesn't it?

--

You are the one who insulted government employees who might be covered
by an AFGE contract. They're no different than you were...in terms of
their employer(s).

WHAT?

Overreacting government
 

On 12/15/2015 5:49 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:36:29 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/15/2015 3:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:35:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/15/2015 1:23 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:11:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/15/2015 12:48 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:44:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/15/2015 10:40 AM, John H. wrote:

Any parent could bring their kids to an RC field and get a 'quickie' course for their
kids, along with some buddy-boxed 'stick time'. Responsible parents, buying for their
kids, might do so.

But again, we're not talking responsible adults here.

The FAA agrees with you.



The FAA is used to dealing with professionals and dedicated amateurs.
They are unprepared to deal with the rabble that is buying the drones.
I am still reminded of the CB radio craze and the FCC's inability to
really regulate much of any of it. They finally just walked away. CB
pretty much just died from it's own weight. It became unusable.
I don't see that happening with drones although some of the novelty
might wear off after you have seen all of your neighbors naked.

Oh the horror!



The people doing the most complaining of drones operated by hobbyists
are private and commercial pilots. They are the ones pushing the FAA
for the enforcement of regulations regarding their use. The
regulations exist. Registration is an attempt to further enforcement.

I can attest from experience that a sudden, unexpected distraction at
a critical moment in your approach to landing could cause an accident.
Birds are a problem (especially seagulls in our area). So are idiots
flying drones near an airport.


I played golf with a pilot Sunday. He's concerned about drones, but thinks a bigger
problem is lasers. He said he knows several pilots who've quit flying because of
lasers.

A drone could definitely damage an engine, but it's doubtful whether it could bring a
plane down.

Taking a plane down isn't the concern. Distracting the pilot (same with
the lasers) at a critical moment is the concern. Ask your pilot golfing
buddy.



If a pilot is so distracted by a laser that he can't fly the plane, I
certainly don't want him sitting up there in a thunder storm or even
the most minor mechanical problem.


Lasers are a problem but they don't affect the most critical part of
a flight. The aircraft is still at an altitude that, although
distracted by the flash of the laser on the cockpit windows, it's not
likely to cause an immediate crash. Certainly annoying though,
especially if flying under VFR conditions and looking for ground references.

The danger is in take offs and landings with landings being of the most
concern. Altitude is a pilot's friend. During landings, you are close
to the ground to begin with and getting closer. Power is reduced, speed
is reduced and the aircraft is "dirty" meaning flaps are extended and
landing gear is down. In this condition, the aircraft is nowhere near
as agile or responsive, but you are still clipping along at
about 150 kts (in a commercial airplane) with diminishing space between
you and the ground. Not the time for surprises.

"...they don't affect the most critical part of a flight."

Oh yes they do!

At National Airport there is a park about 1000' from the north end of the main
runway. Folks lay there and watch the planes take off and land only a few hundred
feet over their heads. Do you not thing that's plenty close for a laser?


How many times have lasers interfered with an aircraft from that
location? Betcha not many, if at all. Too easy to locate and apprehend
them in a space with high aircraft traffic.

Overreacting government
 

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:59:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/15/2015 4:27 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:45:56 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



I don't think it's up to the average lay person to determine what laws
are enforceable and what are not. It's obvious that those who feel most
restricted or affected by a law or regulation designed for the benefit
of the whole will be bitching the most.

It is not hard to decide whether a law is enforceable by looking at
what kind of staff they will appropriate to enforce it. That is the
second shoe that will drop. Currently there is no money allocated for
enforcement.
This is "rock soup" government at it's best.
They start with a simple regulation, that is ineffective and they will
keep throwing new resources at it until it is a huge bureaucracy or
hopefully just abandon the idea.

I will not be restricted at all but I will be taxed.


Just think of how many people that extra buck a year will benefit. :-)


There are about 40 million tax payers (who actually pay) so I doubt
they will be able to do it for a buck but there are lots of stupid
programs and after a while, it ends up being lots of bucks.
The real problem is we won't actually give them the bucks, we will
bill our kids for it ... with interest or worse, just print more
money.

I haven't seen the GAO "score" on this but you can usually double
that. In this case, double the current projection won't be enough
because they have not decided how they will enforce it.
That is when the "rock soup" comes into play.
Lets say they give them $20 million for enforcement, hiring a bunch of
drone cops. Then we have a real FFA failure. They will say we just
spent $50 million on drones so we should spend $100 million more for
real planes ... rinse repeat.

Did you read my TSA post?

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On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:17:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/15/2015 4:51 PM, True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
"Like I said, this was from a by-gone era when cops walked a beat
twirling a nightstick and wore uniforms like you see in the famous
Norman Rockwell paintings. The bicycle plate looked like this, except
it said "Quincy" instead of Concord:

http://platevault.com/uploads/86/ee/thumbs/6155832592bee86.jpg"


WOW, that's exactly the shape of bicycle license plate we had in the old city of Halifax. Some kids attached them to the front wheel spokes and others mounted the plate to the rear fender...either above or below the rear reflector. Seems to me the vast majority of bikes had fenders then...before the 10 speeds became so popular.


One of my earliest memories is learning to ride a bicycle. I was five
years old. My father removed the training wheels it had and would run
beside me holding the seat post while I pedaled then let go once I got
going. After a few crashes I got the idea and the big "reward" was a
visit to the police station to get a license plate. I still remember
the station too. It was a huge, turn of the century building that also
had a court house in it. Tons of cops walking around. Very
impressionable experience for a five year old.

I learned how to ride from the other kids. When my parents bought me
my first bike, I just hopped on and rode away. I never even heard of
training wheels until I was older.
Your buddy sat you on the bike and gave you a push. Off you went. Then
you had to learn how to start off yourself. I pushed the bike running
next to it and hopped on for a while before I got the trick down.
The idea of a license plate would have never crossed our minds.
The DC cops certainly had more important things to do, even then.
I remember hearing about the "Police Boys Club" and we walked down to
the 14th precinct station thinking we would join up. They just said
"we don't do that" and suggested we should join the cub scouts.

Overreacting government
 

On 12/15/2015 8:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:17:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/15/2015 4:51 PM, True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
"Like I said, this was from a by-gone era when cops walked a beat
twirling a nightstick and wore uniforms like you see in the famous
Norman Rockwell paintings. The bicycle plate looked like this, except
it said "Quincy" instead of Concord:

http://platevault.com/uploads/86/ee/thumbs/6155832592bee86.jpg"


WOW, that's exactly the shape of bicycle license plate we had in the old city of Halifax. Some kids attached them to the front wheel spokes and others mounted the plate to the rear fender...either above or below the rear reflector. Seems to me the vast majority of bikes had fenders then...before the 10 speeds became so popular.


One of my earliest memories is learning to ride a bicycle. I was five
years old. My father removed the training wheels it had and would run
beside me holding the seat post while I pedaled then let go once I got
going. After a few crashes I got the idea and the big "reward" was a
visit to the police station to get a license plate. I still remember
the station too. It was a huge, turn of the century building that also
had a court house in it. Tons of cops walking around. Very
impressionable experience for a five year old.

I learned how to ride from the other kids. When my parents bought me
my first bike, I just hopped on and rode away. I never even heard of
training wheels until I was older.
Your buddy sat you on the bike and gave you a push. Off you went. Then
you had to learn how to start off yourself. I pushed the bike running
next to it and hopped on for a while before I got the trick down.
The idea of a license plate would have never crossed our minds.
The DC cops certainly had more important things to do, even then.
I remember hearing about the "Police Boys Club" and we walked down to
the 14th precinct station thinking we would join up. They just said
"we don't do that" and suggested we should join the cub scouts.


Sorry you had such a disappointing childhood. :-)

Overreacting government
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/14/15 8:32 PM, John H. wrote:
Today the FAA announced plans for a model aircraft registration
process to begin next
week. The new federal requirements:

All aircraft that are flown using a ground control system, such as a
transmitter, are required to participate. This includes fixed-wing
aircraft, not just
multirotors or drones.
Any pilot flying models weighing between .55 pounds (or 250
grams) and 55 lbs
is required to register.
You will not be required to register every aircraft individually.
You only
need to register yourself and can affix one registration number to
all your aircraft.
You must mark all aircraft with your registration number. The number
can be inside
the aircraft, such as a battery hatch - but should not require tools
to access.
The FAA plans to launch the online registration website on
Monday, December
21.
There is a $5 fee to register, which is waived if you register
within the
first 30 days.
You only need to register once every 3 years.

The above was copied from an email from the AMA today. Note the
minimum size, and the
fact that every aircraft is included. So if I buy a baby model that
weighs over a
half pound, and give it to a grandkid, the grandkid must be a
registered operator.

How friggin' stupid are the assholes running this government. I guess
they're pretty
smart, they just made the AFGE a lot bigger.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Why are you whining about government employment? Weren't you a
government employee most of your working life? Wasn't your wife?
Didn't your wife get health plan benefits from an employee union?
You're biting the hands that fed you, eh?


STFU until your debts are paid. WE, and the people you screwed in your
bankruptcy filings, are funding your iPhone upgrades and gun purchases
until that it done. While you're at it, leave the ex-military fellow
alone. He put his life on the line for your fat ass.

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Boating All Out wrote:
In article Oo6dnX9gZfcDgO3LnZ2dnUU7-
, says...

The concern is that a million or more inexpensive "drones" will be given
as Christmas presents next week and the FAA anticipates many potential
problems with people using them who are not familiar with their
operation or restrictions. The FAA isn't the only government agency
who is concerned. British Columbia has also issued concerns due to
several close calls involving aircraft and drones in Canada. Similar
regulations are in the works there.
Did you happen to hear Joe Scarborough this morning,
saying the Republican base have been "whiners" for at
least the past 20 years?
This is good example of that.
The government reacts to the threat of commercial
aircraft being brought down, with 100's of deaths.
"Republicans" and libertarians whine about it.
And so it goes.


Sure, Kevin. The government fails to react to threats that are far more
credible than little toys.

Overreacting government
 

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 19:37:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/15/2015 5:49 PM, John H. wrote:

At National Airport there is a park about 1000' from the north end of the main
runway. Folks lay there and watch the planes take off and land only a few hundred
feet over their heads. Do you not thing that's plenty close for a laser?


How many times have lasers interfered with an aircraft from that
location? Betcha not many, if at all. Too easy to locate and apprehend
them in a space with high aircraft traffic.

I was thinking the same thing. I doubt you could light a joint in that
park without being swarmed by the US park Police. They kept a pretty
close watch on that whole area, even before 9-11. There used to be 2
radio cars that didn't do anything but drive up and down that parkway
watching the parks as far back as the 60s.
(my reserve unit was over represented by the various police forces)
DC/metro is actually the most policed area in the US with a dizzying
number of different agencies with police forces. Most stay right there
in the federal area.

Overreacting government
 

On Monday, December 14, 2015 at 8:32:32 PM UTC-5, John H.( the ASSWIPE general) wrote:

How friggin' stupid are the assholes running this government. I guess they're pretty
smart, they just made the AFGE a lot bigger.


Not as stupid as you herring....the one who HAS to pay...pahahahahahahahahahaha

Overreacting government
 

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:15:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/15/2015 8:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:17:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/15/2015 4:51 PM, True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
"Like I said, this was from a by-gone era when cops walked a beat
twirling a nightstick and wore uniforms like you see in the famous
Norman Rockwell paintings. The bicycle plate looked like this, except
it said "Quincy" instead of Concord:

http://platevault.com/uploads/86/ee/thumbs/6155832592bee86.jpg"


WOW, that's exactly the shape of bicycle license plate we had in the old city of Halifax. Some kids attached them to the front wheel spokes and others mounted the plate to the rear fender...either above or below the rear reflector. Seems to me the vast majority of bikes had fenders then...before the 10 speeds became so popular.


One of my earliest memories is learning to ride a bicycle. I was five
years old. My father removed the training wheels it had and would run
beside me holding the seat post while I pedaled then let go once I got
going. After a few crashes I got the idea and the big "reward" was a
visit to the police station to get a license plate. I still remember
the station too. It was a huge, turn of the century building that also
had a court house in it. Tons of cops walking around. Very
impressionable experience for a five year old.

I learned how to ride from the other kids. When my parents bought me
my first bike, I just hopped on and rode away. I never even heard of
training wheels until I was older.
Your buddy sat you on the bike and gave you a push. Off you went. Then
you had to learn how to start off yourself. I pushed the bike running
next to it and hopped on for a while before I got the trick down.
The idea of a license plate would have never crossed our minds.
The DC cops certainly had more important things to do, even then.
I remember hearing about the "Police Boys Club" and we walked down to
the 14th precinct station thinking we would join up. They just said
"we don't do that" and suggested we should join the cub scouts.


Sorry you had such a disappointing childhood. :-)

We lived at a time when mom said "go out and play" and we did. I
didn't know I was poor and we were not disappointed about much.