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Overreacting government
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:42:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/15/2015 1:30 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:53:09 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:46:53 -0500, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:08:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Again, the concern is a 50% increase of drones, RC aircraft, etc., starting to be used within the next couple of months. I also realize that enforcement of the registration requirement is difficult. It probably would have made more sense to require registration at the time of sale. Or have the seller check for an AMA card prior to the sale. But, the AMA card is free to those under 19, and there is no requirement that the kid knows any flight rules or safety measures. Then we would have the "drone show" loophole ;-) These days anyone who can put am Ikea table together can make a drone from parts and I already know a guy who is making money doing it. (he works for my wife). Some of these are pretty sophisticated and still less than $500 to build. (more properly "assemble" since it is all off the shelf parts) None of which have serial numbers, although I see there is no mention of registering particular aircraft - only operators. "Q. What information will I be required to provide on the FAA UAS Registration website? A. You must provide your complete name, physical address, mailing address, and an email address. The email address will be used as your login ID when you set up your account. Q. Do I have to provide any information on my UAS? A. Individual recreational users do not have to enter the make, model, and serial number. All non-recreational users will be required to provide the make, model, and serial number when the website is available to all other users." (From the site provided by Luddite.) You missed some that pertain: Q. How do I prove I am registered? A. A certificate of registration will be available to download and will be sent to your email address at the time of registration. When operating your UAS you must be able to present the certificate in either print or electronic format if asked for proof of registration. Q. Will my drone require an N-number or sticker? A. No. You will receive a unique registration number, not an N-number, and you must mark the registration number on your UAS by some means that is legible and allows the number to be readily seen. The registration number may be placed in a battery compartment as long as it can be accessed without the use of tools. Q. Is putting my AMA number on my drone enough? A. No. Not at this time. The registration system will generate a unique FAA registration number, which you must mark on your aircraft. Q. Would putting my contact information on my drone be enough? A. No, you must mark it with the FAA registration number. Didn't miss it. The aircraft itself is not 'registered'. The person is. I could, and will, have the same registration number on each aircraft. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Overreacting government
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:23:58 -0500, John H.
wrote: The people doing the most complaining of drones operated by hobbyists are private and commercial pilots. They are the ones pushing the FAA for the enforcement of regulations regarding their use. The regulations exist. Registration is an attempt to further enforcement. I can attest from experience that a sudden, unexpected distraction at a critical moment in your approach to landing could cause an accident. Birds are a problem (especially seagulls in our area). So are idiots flying drones near an airport. I played golf with a pilot Sunday. He's concerned about drones, but thinks a bigger problem is lasers. He said he knows several pilots who've quit flying because of lasers. I think that may be a bit overblown too. A drone could definitely damage an engine, but it's doubtful whether it could bring a plane down. I have not even heard of a drone caused accident. It is just people offended that someone else is in their "space". Fully registered planes with licensed pilots have caused far more close calls than drones and more than a few fatalities. Maybe they were "aware" enough. Charge them another $5 to tune them up. |
Overreacting government
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:33:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/15/15 1:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/15/2015 1:02 PM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 12/15/2015 9:23 AM, True North wrote: Keyser Söze - show quoted text - "Why are you whining about government employment? Weren't you a government employee most of your working life? Wasn't your wife? Didn't your wife get health plan benefits from an employee union? You're biting the hands that fed you, eh?" The John got his......to 'ell with anyone else. What did John get that you didn't? John didn't "get" anything. He earned it, based on the contract he had for his service. Sorta like a union. John's problem is that he resents other government employees who get benefits. I resent the creation of 'jobs' which accomplish nothing but increasing the size of the government. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
Overreacting government
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:32:28 -0500, John H.
wrote: These days anyone who can put am Ikea table together can make a drone from parts and I already know a guy who is making money doing it. (he works for my wife). Some of these are pretty sophisticated and still less than $500 to build. (more properly "assemble" since it is all off the shelf parts) You can think of more reasons *not* to address a potential problem than anyone I know. :-) It's senseless to develop senseless, unenforceable rules just to say, "We have now addressed the problem." === Absolutely right. That's one of the reasons that the government has grown as bloated as it is, filled with smiling smug bureaucrats just doing their job. |
Overreacting government
On 12/15/15 1:56 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:33:01 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/15/15 1:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/15/2015 1:02 PM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 12/15/2015 9:23 AM, True North wrote: Keyser Söze - show quoted text - "Why are you whining about government employment? Weren't you a government employee most of your working life? Wasn't your wife? Didn't your wife get health plan benefits from an employee union? You're biting the hands that fed you, eh?" The John got his......to 'ell with anyone else. What did John get that you didn't? John didn't "get" anything. He earned it, based on the contract he had for his service. Sorta like a union. John's problem is that he resents other government employees who get benefits. I resent the creation of 'jobs' which accomplish nothing but increasing the size of the government. -- Well, then, you should have resigned from the army before you vested, as it were. |
Overreacting government
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:31:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/15/2015 1:22 PM, wrote: As John said, wouldn't a PSA on TV accomplish the same thing, a whole lot cheaper. Maybe do the normal government thing for things they can't controller and require a warning label on the drone controller. Why do you suppose the idea of requiring the drone's owner to be registered and a traceable number be put on the drone that leads back to the owner was determined to be the only viable action the FAA can take at the present time? Also, I don't buy into your argument that the registration process is going to be unreasonably expensive. Computers do almost all the work creating the registry and database. Computers do most of the work at DMV but they have plenty of employees. This will be done largely by a contractor so the cost will be readily available if you want to dig through the FAA appropriations. The thing you ignore is how much will enforcement cost. The FAA can barely deal with the things they are responsible for now and in a lot of cases, not so well. There are plenary of planes flying around with missed inspections, pilots who have license problems and some who have no license at all. A toothless rule is worse than no rule at all. |
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:35:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/15/2015 1:23 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:11:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/15/2015 12:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:44:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/15/2015 10:40 AM, John H. wrote: Any parent could bring their kids to an RC field and get a 'quickie' course for their kids, along with some buddy-boxed 'stick time'. Responsible parents, buying for their kids, might do so. But again, we're not talking responsible adults here. The FAA agrees with you. The FAA is used to dealing with professionals and dedicated amateurs. They are unprepared to deal with the rabble that is buying the drones. I am still reminded of the CB radio craze and the FCC's inability to really regulate much of any of it. They finally just walked away. CB pretty much just died from it's own weight. It became unusable. I don't see that happening with drones although some of the novelty might wear off after you have seen all of your neighbors naked. Oh the horror! The people doing the most complaining of drones operated by hobbyists are private and commercial pilots. They are the ones pushing the FAA for the enforcement of regulations regarding their use. The regulations exist. Registration is an attempt to further enforcement. I can attest from experience that a sudden, unexpected distraction at a critical moment in your approach to landing could cause an accident. Birds are a problem (especially seagulls in our area). So are idiots flying drones near an airport. I played golf with a pilot Sunday. He's concerned about drones, but thinks a bigger problem is lasers. He said he knows several pilots who've quit flying because of lasers. A drone could definitely damage an engine, but it's doubtful whether it could bring a plane down. Taking a plane down isn't the concern. Distracting the pilot (same with the lasers) at a critical moment is the concern. Ask your pilot golfing buddy. If a pilot is so distracted by a laser that he can't fly the plane, I certainly don't want him sitting up there in a thunder storm or even the most minor mechanical problem. |
Overreacting government
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:42:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/15/2015 1:30 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:53:09 -0500, wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:46:53 -0500, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:08:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Again, the concern is a 50% increase of drones, RC aircraft, etc., starting to be used within the next couple of months. I also realize that enforcement of the registration requirement is difficult. It probably would have made more sense to require registration at the time of sale. Or have the seller check for an AMA card prior to the sale. But, the AMA card is free to those under 19, and there is no requirement that the kid knows any flight rules or safety measures. Then we would have the "drone show" loophole ;-) These days anyone who can put am Ikea table together can make a drone from parts and I already know a guy who is making money doing it. (he works for my wife). Some of these are pretty sophisticated and still less than $500 to build. (more properly "assemble" since it is all off the shelf parts) None of which have serial numbers, although I see there is no mention of registering particular aircraft - only operators. "Q. What information will I be required to provide on the FAA UAS Registration website? A. You must provide your complete name, physical address, mailing address, and an email address. The email address will be used as your login ID when you set up your account. Q. Do I have to provide any information on my UAS? A. Individual recreational users do not have to enter the make, model, and serial number. All non-recreational users will be required to provide the make, model, and serial number when the website is available to all other users." (From the site provided by Luddite.) You missed some that pertain: Q. How do I prove I am registered? A. A certificate of registration will be available to download and will be sent to your email address at the time of registration. When operating your UAS you must be able to present the certificate in either print or electronic format if asked for proof of registration. Q. Will my drone require an N-number or sticker? A. No. You will receive a unique registration number, not an N-number, and you must mark the registration number on your UAS by some means that is legible and allows the number to be readily seen. The registration number may be placed in a battery compartment as long as it can be accessed without the use of tools. Q. Is putting my AMA number on my drone enough? A. No. Not at this time. The registration system will generate a unique FAA registration number, which you must mark on your aircraft. Q. Would putting my contact information on my drone be enough? A. No, you must mark it with the FAA registration number. Who is going to look? |
Overreacting government
On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 3:50:21 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:35:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/15/2015 1:23 PM, John H. wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:11:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/15/2015 12:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:44:48 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/15/2015 10:40 AM, John H. wrote: Any parent could bring their kids to an RC field and get a 'quickie' course for their kids, along with some buddy-boxed 'stick time'. Responsible parents, buying for their kids, might do so. But again, we're not talking responsible adults here. The FAA agrees with you. The FAA is used to dealing with professionals and dedicated amateurs.. They are unprepared to deal with the rabble that is buying the drones. I am still reminded of the CB radio craze and the FCC's inability to really regulate much of any of it. They finally just walked away. CB pretty much just died from it's own weight. It became unusable. I don't see that happening with drones although some of the novelty might wear off after you have seen all of your neighbors naked. Oh the horror! The people doing the most complaining of drones operated by hobbyists are private and commercial pilots. They are the ones pushing the FAA for the enforcement of regulations regarding their use. The regulations exist. Registration is an attempt to further enforcement.. I can attest from experience that a sudden, unexpected distraction at a critical moment in your approach to landing could cause an accident.. Birds are a problem (especially seagulls in our area). So are idiots flying drones near an airport. I played golf with a pilot Sunday. He's concerned about drones, but thinks a bigger problem is lasers. He said he knows several pilots who've quit flying because of lasers. A drone could definitely damage an engine, but it's doubtful whether it could bring a plane down. Taking a plane down isn't the concern. Distracting the pilot (same with the lasers) at a critical moment is the concern. Ask your pilot golfing buddy. If a pilot is so distracted by a laser that he can't fly the plane, I certainly don't want him sitting up there in a thunder storm or even the most minor mechanical problem. The problem isn't just distraction it's temporary night blindness and, in the case of a hit from close in while landing, the laser diffracting when it hits the cockpit glass can totally wash-out the runway and it's lights. Lightning doesn't do that as its light isn't a focused beam directed into the windshield. Apples and oranges. There are some youtube videos and a series of still photos showing the affect from different distances. Google them up. |
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