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Califbill December 8th 15 04:59 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
True North wrote:

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 06:15:07 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

- show quoted text -
===

"Did your Canadian ancestors not hunt to survive? Â*I'm pretty sure they
did. Â*And what about that delightful custom of clubbing baby seals to
death that some of your countrymen seem to enjoy? "


"seem to enjoy"???
They were harvesting the seals for their pelts...so they could sell same
pelts and put food on the table for their families.


Even worse. Not killing for the meat.


Justan Olphart[_2_] December 8th 15 05:27 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
On 12/8/2015 10:02 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 06:15:07 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

John H.
- show quoted text -
"I would think some rabbit hunting would be good cardio-therapy."



Yeah...that makes a lot of sense.
Celebrate surviving a potential life threatening situation by killing something else.
That seems so 'merican!


===

Did your Canadian ancestors not hunt to survive? I'm pretty sure they
did. And what about that delightful custom of clubbing baby seals to
death that some of your countrymen seem to enjoy?

Mostly they robbed and pillaged, in keeping with their heritage as penal
colonists.

Justan Olphart[_2_] December 8th 15 05:31 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
On 12/8/2015 10:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/8/2015 9:11 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 05:10:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 6:35:58 AM UTC-6,
wrote:
On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 07:08:12 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 03:56:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 9:28:12 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/7/15 10:22 AM, Tim wrote:
Harry this tells me that you got rid of a 50 yr of design
assault rifle in leu of a 150 year old design assault rifle.


Probably, but the replacement for the Colt looks like your run of
the
mill ordinary rifle. :)

How are you feeling, by the way? On the road to recovery, I hope.

Actually Im feeling rather well, thanks for asking. Yesterday, I
went to the dr. for a follow up, and will start cardio-therapy at
my local hospital next week. Still got a ways to go but the
immediate dangers are over, at least that's the popular opinion...

I would think some rabbit hunting would be good cardio-therapy.

===

Not if you do it in cold weather. There's something about exertion in
the cold that seems to bring on heart attacks.

In the bitter cold, yes It's in the high 40 low 50s here which isn't
bad, pretty comfortable actually. If it's really cold and I have to
go out I'll wear some kind of make... probably.


===

It's a ffffreeezing 58 here this morning. No snow however but it
feels like there should be.


Awwwwwe ....

Walked out to the van yesterday morning and nearly fell on my ass due to
the ice on the driveway.


Are you getting freezing weather already?

Mr. Luddite December 8th 15 06:09 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
On 12/8/2015 12:31 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 12/8/2015 10:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/8/2015 9:11 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 05:10:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 6:35:58 AM UTC-6,
wrote:
On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 07:08:12 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 03:56:43 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 9:28:12 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/7/15 10:22 AM, Tim wrote:
Harry this tells me that you got rid of a 50 yr of design
assault rifle in leu of a 150 year old design assault rifle.


Probably, but the replacement for the Colt looks like your run of
the
mill ordinary rifle. :)

How are you feeling, by the way? On the road to recovery, I hope.

Actually Im feeling rather well, thanks for asking. Yesterday, I
went to the dr. for a follow up, and will start cardio-therapy at
my local hospital next week. Still got a ways to go but the
immediate dangers are over, at least that's the popular opinion...

I would think some rabbit hunting would be good cardio-therapy.

===

Not if you do it in cold weather. There's something about exertion in
the cold that seems to bring on heart attacks.

In the bitter cold, yes It's in the high 40 low 50s here which isn't
bad, pretty comfortable actually. If it's really cold and I have to
go out I'll wear some kind of make... probably.

===

It's a ffffreeezing 58 here this morning. No snow however but it
feels like there should be.


Awwwwwe ....

Walked out to the van yesterday morning and nearly fell on my ass due to
the ice on the driveway.


Are you getting freezing weather already?



Many nights it has dropped into 20's. Been happening for a couple of
weeks. Days are still warming up though ... 40's, 50's.
It *is* December, after all.



True North[_2_] December 8th 15 06:45 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
FlautentJim farts...


"Mostly they robbed and pillaged, in keeping with their heritage as penal
colonists."



Duh! You're getting us mixed up with Australia.
Our early settlers were the cream of the crop. Y'all got the ungrateful motley crew that couldn't wait to bite the hand that fed and protected y'all.

[email protected] December 8th 15 07:04 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 09:11:48 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 05:10:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


In the bitter cold, yes It's in the high 40 low 50s here which isn't bad, pretty comfortable actually. If it's really cold and I have to go out I'll wear some kind of make... probably.


===

It's a ffffreeezing 58 here this morning. No snow however but it
feels like there should be.


Gee, I guess we are farther inland. We got over 2 inches here

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/2%20inches.jpg

[email protected] December 8th 15 07:09 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 07:08:08 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:


On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 06:15:07 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

- show quoted text -
===

"Did your Canadian ancestors not hunt to survive? Â*I'm pretty sure they
did. Â*And what about that delightful custom of clubbing baby seals to
death that some of your countrymen seem to enjoy? "


"seem to enjoy"???
They were harvesting the seals for their pelts...so they could sell same pelts and put food on the table for their families.


I see hypocrisy is not limited to Calvert County Maryland.
Tim was going to put that rabbit on his table too. If the fur was
valuable enough, he would sell that too.

[email protected] December 8th 15 07:18 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 10:33:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/8/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 09:44:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/8/2015 9:10 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/8/15 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 12:07:33 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/7/15 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 10:02:35 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:


I think I mentioned here I sold my "Assault Weapon," my Colt AR 15,
some
months ago. It was a fine rifle, but the more I thought about what it
was, the more it troubled me to own it. I replaced it with a more
traditional-looking rifle that handles the same round, and I actually
prefer using it with small magazines.

My M1A looks like a traditional rifle. It is not really an assault
rifle tho because it is not selective fire and it shoots a full sized
cartridge. Ballistically the 7.62x51 is pretty much identical to the
30-06. You can shoot the same bullets at the same velocities,
particularly if you use SAAMI .308 loadings but the milspec "ball"
round is about the same.


My "replacement" for the Colt is a Ruger Mini 14 "Ranch", the one with a
black "plastic" (the plastic has a fancier name, but it is plastic to
me) stock. I put a scope mount rail on it, and for the moment I have a
red dot sight on the rifle. The only modification I've made so far is to
send the trigger assembly out for a "full trigger job" to smooth and
lighten the action. It shoots the stockpile of .223 and 5.56 ammo I
have.

For what it's worth, the Ruger Mini 14 *is* on the Highland Park list
of banned
assault weapons.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


I didn't know that, but I'm not surprised. We have a crazy quilt of gun
regulations. In Maryland, as has often been mentioned, if you buy a new
AR15 type rifle, it has to have what is called a "heavy barrel," or
HBAR. But there are no restrictions on the purchase of an AR10, a far
more deadly black rifle that fires the 30 caliber military round. The
Ruger Mini 14 is available here in Maryland without restriction, as is
the Mini 30, which fires the "AK" round.


Just for giggles I tried to find out if the Ruger Mini 14 is
Massachusetts compliant on the web. Bottom line is ... I don't have a
clue. Some sources say yes, others say no. I'd have to call a gun shop
I guess to find out for sure but since I am not in the market for one, I
won't bother.

Wacko laws here. Something about "evil features". It seems you can
have no more than one "evil feature". A flash hider counts as one.
If it threads onto the barrel, apparently the threads count as another.

Even the permits that are issued don't make sense. When I first obtained
a permit it was called a "Class A". Apparently that has changed. It's
now simply called a "License to Carry"
and is defined as:

"Permits the purchase, possession, transportation and carrying of all
large and non-large-capacity handguns, rifles, shotguns and feeding
devices a well as ammunition. This is the only license that allows the
carrying of concealed handguns-either loaded or unloaded."

Yet, a magazine of any type that can hold more than ten rounds is
illegal. So, what's the point in having the permit allow "large"
capacity handguns and rifles? The MA law regarding "large capacity"
is as follows:

"A large-capacity firearm is defined as a semi-automatic handgun or
rifle that is capable of accepting more than ten rounds, OR is a
semi-automatic shotgun capable of accepting more than five shotgun
shells, OR is an assault weapon.

So, my permit says I can legally own an assault weapon with a 30 round
magazine but another section of the MA law says both are illegal to own.


I just spent a few minutes looking myself. Apparently, the newer ones must be banned,
as there are 'pre-ban' ones for sale in MA.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/455823...1981-stainless

I couldn't find any listing of banned rifles in MA. You're right, convoluted as hell.


"Pre-ban" in Massachusetts refers to firearms manufactured before 1998
when the gun laws were radically changed. You can legally buy or sell a
"pre-ban" firearm here but the catch is this: The firearm must have
always been owned by a MA resident who kept the gun in MA. Same with
selling ... can only sell a "pre-ban" to another current MA resident.



I wonder how they regulate that? It sounds like a lot of stupid laws,
written by stupid people. You certainly make the case for why
registration and "titling" is not an attractive thing for most people.


[email protected] December 8th 15 07:25 PM

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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 11:25:05 -0500,
wrote:



Be careful, falls on ice are a leading cause of broken hips in the
north east. As for me, it looks like I'm going to have to make the
ultimate sacrifice and turn off the pool heater, much as I hate to do
that.


It looks like I am going straight from no pool heat to no pool. I was
holding the high 70s, not really "florida friendly" but tolerable. The
last cold snap took it down to 73. Now it is only suitable to guys
like Don who swim in arctic waters year around.
I imagine our kids will get in next week. They are Northern Michigan
people now.

Keyser Söze December 8th 15 07:26 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
On 12/8/15 1:45 PM, True North wrote:
FlautentJim farts...


"Mostly they robbed and pillaged, in keeping with their heritage as penal
colonists."



Duh! You're getting us mixed up with Australia.
Our early settlers were the cream of the crop. Y'all got the ungrateful motley crew that couldn't wait to bite the hand that fed and protected y'all.


You wouldn't expect FlaJim to know that the first English colony in
North America was established in Canada, or that Canada is not
Australia, would you?


[email protected] December 8th 15 07:38 PM

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On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 10:45:51 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

FlautentJim farts...


"Mostly they robbed and pillaged, in keeping with their heritage as penal
colonists."



Duh! You're getting us mixed up with Australia.
Our early settlers were the cream of the crop. Y'all got the ungrateful motley crew that couldn't wait to bite the hand that fed and protected y'all.


We had a problem with paying taxes and not getting that much in
return. Some here still do.

Keyser Söze December 8th 15 07:43 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
On 12/8/15 2:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 10:45:51 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

FlautentJim farts...


"Mostly they robbed and pillaged, in keeping with their heritage as penal
colonists."



Duh! You're getting us mixed up with Australia.
Our early settlers were the cream of the crop. Y'all got the ungrateful motley crew that couldn't wait to bite the hand that fed and protected y'all.


We had a problem with paying taxes and not getting that much in
return. Some here still do.



The funniest comment, of course, came from your buddy, FlaJim, who
apparently confused the English settlement of Canada with Australia's
early history as an English penal colony.

[email protected] December 8th 15 07:49 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 14:43:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/8/15 2:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 10:45:51 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

FlautentJim farts...


"Mostly they robbed and pillaged, in keeping with their heritage as penal
colonists."



Duh! You're getting us mixed up with Australia.
Our early settlers were the cream of the crop. Y'all got the ungrateful motley crew that couldn't wait to bite the hand that fed and protected y'all.


We had a problem with paying taxes and not getting that much in
return. Some here still do.



The funniest comment, of course, came from your buddy, FlaJim, who
apparently confused the English settlement of Canada with Australia's
early history as an English penal colony.


Yeah, public school, what do you expect ;-)

Keyser Söze December 8th 15 07:52 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
On 12/8/15 2:49 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 14:43:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/8/15 2:38 PM,
wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 10:45:51 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

FlautentJim farts...


"Mostly they robbed and pillaged, in keeping with their heritage as penal
colonists."



Duh! You're getting us mixed up with Australia.
Our early settlers were the cream of the crop. Y'all got the ungrateful motley crew that couldn't wait to bite the hand that fed and protected y'all.

We had a problem with paying taxes and not getting that much in
return. Some here still do.



The funniest comment, of course, came from your buddy, FlaJim, who
apparently confused the English settlement of Canada with Australia's
early history as an English penal colony.


Yeah, public school, what do you expect ;-)


Not much from someone who obviously did not pay attention.

[email protected] December 8th 15 07:52 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 14:04:53 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 09:11:48 -0500,

wrote:

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 05:10:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


In the bitter cold, yes It's in the high 40 low 50s here which isn't bad, pretty comfortable actually. If it's really cold and I have to go out I'll wear some kind of make... probably.


===

It's a ffffreeezing 58 here this morning. No snow however but it
feels like there should be.


Gee, I guess we are farther inland. We got over 2 inches here

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/2%20inches.jpg


===

Impressive, hope none of those "flakes" tore a whole in your roof. :-)

Califbill December 8th 15 07:57 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 14:43:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/8/15 2:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 10:45:51 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

FlautentJim farts...


"Mostly they robbed and pillaged, in keeping with their heritage as penal
colonists."



Duh! You're getting us mixed up with Australia.
Our early settlers were the cream of the crop. Y'all got the
ungrateful motley crew that couldn't wait to bite the hand that fed and protected y'all.

We had a problem with paying taxes and not getting that much in
return. Some here still do.



The funniest comment, of course, came from your buddy, FlaJim, who
apparently confused the English settlement of Canada with Australia's
early history as an English penal colony.


Yeah, public school, what do you expect ;-)


And why did England establish penal colonies halfway around the world?
Because the American Revolution stopped them from dumping their criminals
in America and Canada.


[email protected] December 8th 15 08:04 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 14:52:29 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 14:04:53 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 09:11:48 -0500,

wrote:

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 05:10:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


In the bitter cold, yes It's in the high 40 low 50s here which isn't bad, pretty comfortable actually. If it's really cold and I have to go out I'll wear some kind of make... probably.

===

It's a ffffreeezing 58 here this morning. No snow however but it
feels like there should be.


Gee, I guess we are farther inland. We got over 2 inches here

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/2%20inches.jpg


===

Impressive, hope none of those "flakes" tore a whole in your roof. :-)


I was worried about snow load,. We are only designed for uplift.

We had a light dusting over most of the yard this week

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/light%20dusting.jpg

[email protected] December 8th 15 08:06 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 11:57:55 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 14:43:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/8/15 2:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 10:45:51 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

FlautentJim farts...


"Mostly they robbed and pillaged, in keeping with their heritage as penal
colonists."



Duh! You're getting us mixed up with Australia.
Our early settlers were the cream of the crop. Y'all got the
ungrateful motley crew that couldn't wait to bite the hand that fed and protected y'all.

We had a problem with paying taxes and not getting that much in
return. Some here still do.



The funniest comment, of course, came from your buddy, FlaJim, who
apparently confused the English settlement of Canada with Australia's
early history as an English penal colony.


Yeah, public school, what do you expect ;-)


And why did England establish penal colonies halfway around the world?
Because the American Revolution stopped them from dumping their criminals
in America and Canada.


The biggest difference is they came here because they wanted to, not
because they had to. insert African comment here

John H.[_5_] December 8th 15 08:10 PM

Supremes let "Assault Weapon" ban stand
 
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 10:33:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/8/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 09:44:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/8/2015 9:10 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/8/15 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 12:07:33 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/7/15 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 10:02:35 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:


I think I mentioned here I sold my "Assault Weapon," my Colt AR 15,
some
months ago. It was a fine rifle, but the more I thought about what it
was, the more it troubled me to own it. I replaced it with a more
traditional-looking rifle that handles the same round, and I actually
prefer using it with small magazines.

My M1A looks like a traditional rifle. It is not really an assault
rifle tho because it is not selective fire and it shoots a full sized
cartridge. Ballistically the 7.62x51 is pretty much identical to the
30-06. You can shoot the same bullets at the same velocities,
particularly if you use SAAMI .308 loadings but the milspec "ball"
round is about the same.


My "replacement" for the Colt is a Ruger Mini 14 "Ranch", the one with a
black "plastic" (the plastic has a fancier name, but it is plastic to
me) stock. I put a scope mount rail on it, and for the moment I have a
red dot sight on the rifle. The only modification I've made so far is to
send the trigger assembly out for a "full trigger job" to smooth and
lighten the action. It shoots the stockpile of .223 and 5.56 ammo I
have.

For what it's worth, the Ruger Mini 14 *is* on the Highland Park list
of banned
assault weapons.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


I didn't know that, but I'm not surprised. We have a crazy quilt of gun
regulations. In Maryland, as has often been mentioned, if you buy a new
AR15 type rifle, it has to have what is called a "heavy barrel," or
HBAR. But there are no restrictions on the purchase of an AR10, a far
more deadly black rifle that fires the 30 caliber military round. The
Ruger Mini 14 is available here in Maryland without restriction, as is
the Mini 30, which fires the "AK" round.


Just for giggles I tried to find out if the Ruger Mini 14 is
Massachusetts compliant on the web. Bottom line is ... I don't have a
clue. Some sources say yes, others say no. I'd have to call a gun shop
I guess to find out for sure but since I am not in the market for one, I
won't bother.

Wacko laws here. Something about "evil features". It seems you can
have no more than one "evil feature". A flash hider counts as one.
If it threads onto the barrel, apparently the threads count as another.

Even the permits that are issued don't make sense. When I first obtained
a permit it was called a "Class A". Apparently that has changed. It's
now simply called a "License to Carry"
and is defined as:

"Permits the purchase, possession, transportation and carrying of all
large and non-large-capacity handguns, rifles, shotguns and feeding
devices a well as ammunition. This is the only license that allows the
carrying of concealed handguns-either loaded or unloaded."

Yet, a magazine of any type that can hold more than ten rounds is
illegal. So, what's the point in having the permit allow "large"
capacity handguns and rifles? The MA law regarding "large capacity"
is as follows:

"A large-capacity firearm is defined as a semi-automatic handgun or
rifle that is capable of accepting more than ten rounds, OR is a
semi-automatic shotgun capable of accepting more than five shotgun
shells, OR is an assault weapon.

So, my permit says I can legally own an assault weapon with a 30 round
magazine but another section of the MA law says both are illegal to own.


I just spent a few minutes looking myself. Apparently, the newer ones must be banned,
as there are 'pre-ban' ones for sale in MA.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/455823...1981-stainless

I couldn't find any listing of banned rifles in MA. You're right, convoluted as hell.


"Pre-ban" in Massachusetts refers to firearms manufactured before 1998
when the gun laws were radically changed. You can legally buy or sell a
"pre-ban" firearm here but the catch is this: The firearm must have
always been owned by a MA resident who kept the gun in MA. Same with
selling ... can only sell a "pre-ban" to another current MA resident.



All those laws help explain why Boston isn't in the top 100 most dangerous places.
But, it doesn't explain why MA has seven other cities in the top 100.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/nei...p100dangerous/

Of course, it may be that the roundabouts are the most dangerous things in MA. :)
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

John H.[_5_] December 8th 15 08:12 PM

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On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 08:59:14 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/8/2015 9:11 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 05:10:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 at 6:35:58 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 07:08:12 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 03:56:43 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 9:28:12 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/7/15 10:22 AM, Tim wrote:
Harry this tells me that you got rid of a 50 yr of design assault
rifle in leu of a 150 year old design assault rifle.


Probably, but the replacement for the Colt looks like your run of the
mill ordinary rifle. :)

How are you feeling, by the way? On the road to recovery, I hope.

Actually Im feeling rather well, thanks for asking. Yesterday, I
went to the dr. for a follow up, and will start cardio-therapy at my
local hospital next week. Still got a ways to go but the immediate
dangers are over, at least that's the popular opinion...

I would think some rabbit hunting would be good cardio-therapy.

===

Not if you do it in cold weather. There's something about exertion in
the cold that seems to bring on heart attacks.

In the bitter cold, yes It's in the high 40 low 50s here which isn't
bad, pretty comfortable actually. If it's really cold and I have to go
out I'll wear some kind of make... probably.

===

It's a ffffreeezing 58 here this morning. No snow however but it
feels like there should be.


Awwwwwe ....

Walked out to the van yesterday morning and nearly fell on my ass due to
the ice on the driveway.




Cold here. 50's. Looks like rain. Supposed to rain tomorrow. Checked
the boat yesterday. Snug in it's shelter.


60's here. Went for a nice motorcycle ride this afternoon. Lovely.

But, I shouldn't have to be mowing the damn grass in December!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Califbill December 8th 15 08:20 PM

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wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 11:57:55 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 14:43:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/8/15 2:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 10:45:51 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

FlautentJim farts...


"Mostly they robbed and pillaged, in keeping with their heritage as penal
colonists."



Duh! You're getting us mixed up with Australia.
Our early settlers were the cream of the crop. Y'all got the
ungrateful motley crew that couldn't wait to bite the hand that fed
and protected y'all.

We had a problem with paying taxes and not getting that much in
return. Some here still do.



The funniest comment, of course, came from your buddy, FlaJim, who
apparently confused the English settlement of Canada with Australia's
early history as an English penal colony.

Yeah, public school, what do you expect ;-)


And why did England establish penal colonies halfway around the world?
Because the American Revolution stopped them from dumping their criminals
in America and Canada.


The biggest difference is they came here because they wanted to, not
because they had to. insert African comment here


Nope. They dumped the petty criminals and prisoners from the Scottish and
Irish wars here. Lots sold into indentures. Was Capitol crime to return
to England.


[email protected] December 8th 15 08:29 PM

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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:04:28 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 14:52:29 -0500,

wrote:

On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 14:04:53 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 09:11:48 -0500,

wrote:

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 05:10:55 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

In the bitter cold, yes It's in the high 40 low 50s here which isn't bad, pretty comfortable actually. If it's really cold and I have to go out I'll wear some kind of make... probably.

===

It's a ffffreeezing 58 here this morning. No snow however but it
feels like there should be.

Gee, I guess we are farther inland. We got over 2 inches here

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/2%20inches.jpg


===

Impressive, hope none of those "flakes" tore a whole in your roof. :-)


I was worried about snow load,. We are only designed for uplift.

We had a light dusting over most of the yard this week

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/light%20dusting.jpg


===

Yes, seasonal dusting effect, only seems to land on unsprayed lawns.

[email protected] December 8th 15 08:33 PM

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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:10:47 -0500, John H.
wrote:

All those laws help explain why Boston isn't in the top 100 most dangerous places.
But, it doesn't explain why MA has seven other cities in the top 100.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/nei...p100dangerous/

Of course, it may be that the roundabouts are the most dangerous things in MA. :)


===

Not at all. The most dangerous thinga in MA are Boston drivers making
left hand turns from the middle and right lanes.

Mr. Luddite December 8th 15 09:25 PM

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On 12/8/2015 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 07:08:08 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:


On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 06:15:07 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

- show quoted text -
===

"Did your Canadian ancestors not hunt to survive? I'm pretty sure they
did. And what about that delightful custom of clubbing baby seals to
death that some of your countrymen seem to enjoy? "


"seem to enjoy"???
They were harvesting the seals for their pelts...so they could sell same pelts and put food on the table for their families.


I see hypocrisy is not limited to Calvert County Maryland.
Tim was going to put that rabbit on his table too. If the fur was
valuable enough, he would sell that too.



Never understood the concept of a lucky rabbit's foot.
How lucky was the rabbit?




[email protected] December 8th 15 09:37 PM

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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:29:28 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:04:28 -0500,
wrote:

We had a light dusting over most of the yard this week

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/light%20dusting.jpg

===

Yes, seasonal dusting effect, only seems to land on unsprayed lawns.


Yup but I look at it as my contribution to the recovery of the honey
bee. They don't find much to eat in that Floritam and if they actually
land on it they may die.

Mr. Luddite December 8th 15 09:42 PM

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On 12/8/2015 3:10 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 10:33:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/8/2015 10:20 AM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 09:44:00 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/8/2015 9:10 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/8/15 8:55 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 12:07:33 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 12/7/15 11:59 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 10:02:35 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:


I think I mentioned here I sold my "Assault Weapon," my Colt AR 15,
some
months ago. It was a fine rifle, but the more I thought about what it
was, the more it troubled me to own it. I replaced it with a more
traditional-looking rifle that handles the same round, and I actually
prefer using it with small magazines.

My M1A looks like a traditional rifle. It is not really an assault
rifle tho because it is not selective fire and it shoots a full sized
cartridge. Ballistically the 7.62x51 is pretty much identical to the
30-06. You can shoot the same bullets at the same velocities,
particularly if you use SAAMI .308 loadings but the milspec "ball"
round is about the same.


My "replacement" for the Colt is a Ruger Mini 14 "Ranch", the one with a
black "plastic" (the plastic has a fancier name, but it is plastic to
me) stock. I put a scope mount rail on it, and for the moment I have a
red dot sight on the rifle. The only modification I've made so far is to
send the trigger assembly out for a "full trigger job" to smooth and
lighten the action. It shoots the stockpile of .223 and 5.56 ammo I
have.

For what it's worth, the Ruger Mini 14 *is* on the Highland Park list
of banned
assault weapons.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


I didn't know that, but I'm not surprised. We have a crazy quilt of gun
regulations. In Maryland, as has often been mentioned, if you buy a new
AR15 type rifle, it has to have what is called a "heavy barrel," or
HBAR. But there are no restrictions on the purchase of an AR10, a far
more deadly black rifle that fires the 30 caliber military round. The
Ruger Mini 14 is available here in Maryland without restriction, as is
the Mini 30, which fires the "AK" round.


Just for giggles I tried to find out if the Ruger Mini 14 is
Massachusetts compliant on the web. Bottom line is ... I don't have a
clue. Some sources say yes, others say no. I'd have to call a gun shop
I guess to find out for sure but since I am not in the market for one, I
won't bother.

Wacko laws here. Something about "evil features". It seems you can
have no more than one "evil feature". A flash hider counts as one.
If it threads onto the barrel, apparently the threads count as another.

Even the permits that are issued don't make sense. When I first obtained
a permit it was called a "Class A". Apparently that has changed. It's
now simply called a "License to Carry"
and is defined as:

"Permits the purchase, possession, transportation and carrying of all
large and non-large-capacity handguns, rifles, shotguns and feeding
devices a well as ammunition. This is the only license that allows the
carrying of concealed handguns-either loaded or unloaded."

Yet, a magazine of any type that can hold more than ten rounds is
illegal. So, what's the point in having the permit allow "large"
capacity handguns and rifles? The MA law regarding "large capacity"
is as follows:

"A large-capacity firearm is defined as a semi-automatic handgun or
rifle that is capable of accepting more than ten rounds, OR is a
semi-automatic shotgun capable of accepting more than five shotgun
shells, OR is an assault weapon.

So, my permit says I can legally own an assault weapon with a 30 round
magazine but another section of the MA law says both are illegal to own.

I just spent a few minutes looking myself. Apparently, the newer ones must be banned,
as there are 'pre-ban' ones for sale in MA.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/455823...1981-stainless

I couldn't find any listing of banned rifles in MA. You're right, convoluted as hell.


"Pre-ban" in Massachusetts refers to firearms manufactured before 1998
when the gun laws were radically changed. You can legally buy or sell a
"pre-ban" firearm here but the catch is this: The firearm must have
always been owned by a MA resident who kept the gun in MA. Same with
selling ... can only sell a "pre-ban" to another current MA resident.



All those laws help explain why Boston isn't in the top 100 most dangerous places.
But, it doesn't explain why MA has seven other cities in the top 100.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/nei...p100dangerous/

Of course, it may be that the roundabouts are the most dangerous things in MA. :)



The city of Boston is notorious for being very difficult to obtain a
concealed carry permit.




True North[_2_] December 8th 15 09:42 PM

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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 11:25:05 -0500,
wrote:



Be careful, falls on ice are a leading cause of broken hips in the
north east. *As for me, it looks like I'm going to have to make the
ultimate sacrifice and turn off the pool heater, much as I hate to do
that.


"It looks like I am going straight from no pool heat to no pool. I was
holding the high 70s, not really "florida friendly" but tolerable. The
last cold snap took it down to 73. Now it is only suitable to guys
like Don who swim in arctic waters year around.
I imagine our kids will get in next week. They are Northern Michigan
people now."


More like North Atlantic waters 3 months of the year.....max.

Mr. Luddite December 8th 15 09:46 PM

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On 12/8/2015 3:33 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:10:47 -0500, John H.
wrote:

All those laws help explain why Boston isn't in the top 100 most dangerous places.
But, it doesn't explain why MA has seven other cities in the top 100.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/nei...p100dangerous/

Of course, it may be that the roundabouts are the most dangerous things in MA. :)


===

Not at all. The most dangerous thinga in MA are Boston drivers making
left hand turns from the middle and right lanes.


If that's where you are going, how else can you get there? :-)



[email protected] December 8th 15 09:58 PM

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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:33:15 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:10:47 -0500, John H.
wrote:

All those laws help explain why Boston isn't in the top 100 most dangerous places.
But, it doesn't explain why MA has seven other cities in the top 100.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/nei...p100dangerous/

Of course, it may be that the roundabouts are the most dangerous things in MA. :)


===

Not at all. The most dangerous thinga in MA are Boston drivers making
left hand turns from the middle and right lanes.


True story
Today my wife is directing traffic in the country club, sending people
to the overflow parking. A lady says she wants to park next to the
building because she is disabled ... BLIND!
She popped out with a white cane and tip tapped herself inside.

YIKES!


[email protected] December 8th 15 10:46 PM

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On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 16:25:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/8/2015 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 07:08:08 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:


On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 06:15:07 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

- show quoted text -
===

"Did your Canadian ancestors not hunt to survive? I'm pretty sure they
did. And what about that delightful custom of clubbing baby seals to
death that some of your countrymen seem to enjoy? "


"seem to enjoy"???
They were harvesting the seals for their pelts...so they could sell same pelts and put food on the table for their families.


I see hypocrisy is not limited to Calvert County Maryland.
Tim was going to put that rabbit on his table too. If the fur was
valuable enough, he would sell that too.



Never understood the concept of a lucky rabbit's foot.
How lucky was the rabbit?



Maybe the rabbit got away and only lost a foot?



[email protected] December 8th 15 10:48 PM

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On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 13:42:19 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:


On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 11:25:05 -0500,
wrote:



Be careful, falls on ice are a leading cause of broken hips in the
north east. Â*As for me, it looks like I'm going to have to make the
ultimate sacrifice and turn off the pool heater, much as I hate to do
that.


"It looks like I am going straight from no pool heat to no pool. I was
holding the high 70s, not really "florida friendly" but tolerable. The
last cold snap took it down to 73. Now it is only suitable to guys
like Don who swim in arctic waters year around.
I imagine our kids will get in next week. They are Northern Michigan
people now."


More like North Atlantic waters 3 months of the year.....max.


When I was there it was more like -2C

Califbill December 8th 15 11:34 PM

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wrote:
On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:10:47 -0500, John H.
wrote:

All those laws help explain why Boston isn't in the top 100 most dangerous places.
But, it doesn't explain why MA has seven other cities in the top 100.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/nei...p100dangerous/

Of course, it may be that the roundabouts are the most dangerous things in MA. :)


===

Not at all. The most dangerous thinga in MA are Boston drivers making
left hand turns from the middle and right lanes.


I think it is the fallacy that Bostonians can drive safely.


Califbill December 8th 15 11:37 PM

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wrote:
On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:33:15 -0500,
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 15:10:47 -0500, John H.
wrote:

All those laws help explain why Boston isn't in the top 100 most dangerous places.
But, it doesn't explain why MA has seven other cities in the top 100.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/nei...p100dangerous/

Of course, it may be that the roundabouts are the most dangerous things in MA. :)


===

Not at all. The most dangerous thinga in MA are Boston drivers making
left hand turns from the middle and right lanes.


True story
Today my wife is directing traffic in the country club, sending people
to the overflow parking. A lady says she wants to park next to the
building because she is disabled ... BLIND!
She popped out with a white cane and tip tapped herself inside.

YIKES!



Anther true story. We were tieing down the boat to the trailer, and a lady
pulls up next to us after dropping the boat in the water. I guess husband
is with boat. She informs us she is legally blind.


John H.[_5_] December 9th 15 01:28 AM

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On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 16:25:07 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/8/2015 2:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 07:08:08 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:


On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 06:15:07 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

- show quoted text -
===

"Did your Canadian ancestors not hunt to survive? I'm pretty sure they
did. And what about that delightful custom of clubbing baby seals to
death that some of your countrymen seem to enjoy? "


"seem to enjoy"???
They were harvesting the seals for their pelts...so they could sell same pelts and put food on the table for their families.


I see hypocrisy is not limited to Calvert County Maryland.
Tim was going to put that rabbit on his table too. If the fur was
valuable enough, he would sell that too.



Never understood the concept of a lucky rabbit's foot.
How lucky was the rabbit?


Damn lucky it's still got three legs to hop around on!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Alex[_6_] December 9th 15 01:40 AM

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Tim wrote:
On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 9:28:12 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/7/15 10:22 AM, Tim wrote:
Harry this tells me that you got rid of a 50 yr of design assault rifle in leu of a 150 year old design assault rifle.

Probably, but the replacement for the Colt looks like your run of the
mill ordinary rifle. :)

How are you feeling, by the way? On the road to recovery, I hope.

Actually Im feeling rather well, thanks for asking. Yesterday, I went to the dr. for a follow up, and will start cardio-therapy at my local hospital next week. Still got a ways to go but the immediate dangers are over, at least that's the popular opinion...

Nice! Keep it up, Tim.

Alex[_6_] December 9th 15 01:43 AM

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True North wrote:
John H.
- show quoted text -
"I would think some rabbit hunting would be good cardio-therapy."



Yeah...that makes a lot of sense.
Celebrate surviving a potential life threatening situation by killing something else.
That seems so 'merican!


Go eat your commercially-killed cheeseburger and STFU.

John H.[_5_] December 9th 15 12:30 PM

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On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 20:43:01 -0500, Alex wrote:

True North wrote:
John H.
- show quoted text -
"I would think some rabbit hunting would be good cardio-therapy."



Yeah...that makes a lot of sense.
Celebrate surviving a potential life threatening situation by killing something else.
That seems so 'merican!


Go eat your commercially-killed cheeseburger and STFU.


I asked him if he ate meat. He wouldn't respond. I reckon he's a vegan or something.
Wonder if he wears plastic shoes and belts and work gloves.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

True North[_2_] December 9th 15 01:50 PM

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John H.
- show quoted text -
"I asked him if he ate meat. He wouldn't respond. I reckon he's a vegan or something.
Wonder if he wears plastic shoes and belts and work gloves."


Johnny....we're not talking about me.
We have a regular who came through a traumatic episode and the first thing you recommend is going out for some shoot'in and kill'in. Does that seem logical to you?

Keyser Söze December 9th 15 04:04 PM

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On 12/9/15 8:50 AM, True North wrote:
John H.
- show quoted text -
"I asked him if he ate meat. He wouldn't respond. I reckon he's a vegan or something.
Wonder if he wears plastic shoes and belts and work gloves."


Johnny....we're not talking about me.
We have a regular who came through a traumatic episode and the first thing you recommend is going out for some shoot'in and kill'in. Does that seem logical to you?


For some, guns are the solution to everything.

Califbill December 9th 15 04:53 PM

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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/9/15 8:50 AM, True North wrote:
John H.
- show quoted text -
"I asked him if he ate meat. He wouldn't respond. I reckon he's a vegan or something.
Wonder if he wears plastic shoes and belts and work gloves."


Johnny....we're not talking about me.
We have a regular who came through a traumatic episode and the first
thing you recommend is going out for some shoot'in and kill'in. Does
that seem logical to you?


For some, guns are the solution to everything.


That and a bigger hammer.



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