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On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:21:09 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 4:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/20/2015 4:45 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 4:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/20/2015 1:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 1:34 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:48:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpjej4OhXc I think you will find that these goobers in fumbuck Virginia are not as well trained and certainly not as well equipped as the typical islamic cell. The wogs in Paris had automatic weapons and explosives in a place where guns are pretty much banned. The law had little effect on them. The leader was on the 10 most wanted list in all of Europe yet he easily moved across the continent and was found a few hundred meters from the site of the attack almost a week later, located by Turkish intelligence, not the French. You try to draw the parallel between a disturbed teenager and a team of terrorists but the death toll quickly points out the difference. You always cite statistics but you also want to rule out 9-11 and you ignore the muslim shooters like the guys who shot up the navy yard or Ft Hood. That is like saying, "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play". The bottom line is 8 guys killed 130 people and wounded 368 in a few minutes. That is not even in the same ball park with the worst mass shooting in the US. And as usual, you are completely wrong about what I am thinking. You should consider giving up this habit of yours, as you are almost always incorrect. It doesn't matter that the "goobers in Virginia" were not as well-trained as the "typical islamic cell." They are still terrorists by definition and may have been intent on mass murder. Most of the shooters/bombers in this country, the ones who take on office buildings, schools, abortion clinics, shopping centers, churches, et cetera, are "born in the USA" terrorists and mass murderers. Most of them are white males. They are the ones committing most of the terrorist acts in this country. I'm not ignoring 9-11 or Ft. Hood or the Navy Yard. I'm saying that *most* of the terrorist events in this country that end up slaughtering masses of innocent civilians are perpetrated by white American males, and most of them are doing their killing with firearms, a fact about which this country is prepared to do...nothing. Oh, and there's also McVeigh, I guess, a well-known Syrian refugee. Not. You are using a pretty loose definition of "terrorist" or what terrorism is. The goal of terrorist organizations like ISIS or al Qaeda is to create a high degree of fear and anxiousness about where they may strike next and to further a political cause. They go out of their way to broadcast threats, with the intent of putting the public on edge, looking over their shoulders and wondering what and who next? Not the same as a mentally disturbed nutcase who decides to shoot up a movie theater or a school for whatever bizarre personal reasons they may have. They usually are not on the radar screen and their actions, although horrific, are a one-time deal. Most die in the execution of their plan and that's the end of them. Even the example you gave ... McVeigh ... doesn't really fit the description of a "terrorist". He was another nut-case with warped, anti-government views. Please. Stop. McVeigh was a terrorist with political causes. Many of our recent USA mass shooters had causes. I think by definition these Muslim terrorists are nutcases, driven by their crazed definition of their religious beliefs. From Wiki: Since 1994, the United Nations General Assembly has repeatedly condemned terrorist acts using the following political description of terrorism: Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them. U.S. Code Tittle 22 Chapter 38, Section 2656f(d) defines terrorism as: “Premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.” - - - And you think either or both of those definitions fit the "goobers from fumbuck, VA" ? According to the news clip, their targets were the facilities of Jews and blacks. That would fall under the "considerations of a ...racial...religious...nature." And let's not forget "Criminal acts intended to provoke a state of terror in the public," like, say, shooting up a school, church, or shopping center. Or blowing up an abortion clinic. Terrorism. And again, nothing is done to the perpetrators...right Krause? What a f'ing joke you've become. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On 11/20/15 5:26 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:21:09 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 4:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/20/2015 4:45 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 4:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/20/2015 1:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 1:34 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:48:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpjej4OhXc I think you will find that these goobers in fumbuck Virginia are not as well trained and certainly not as well equipped as the typical islamic cell. The wogs in Paris had automatic weapons and explosives in a place where guns are pretty much banned. The law had little effect on them. The leader was on the 10 most wanted list in all of Europe yet he easily moved across the continent and was found a few hundred meters from the site of the attack almost a week later, located by Turkish intelligence, not the French. You try to draw the parallel between a disturbed teenager and a team of terrorists but the death toll quickly points out the difference. You always cite statistics but you also want to rule out 9-11 and you ignore the muslim shooters like the guys who shot up the navy yard or Ft Hood. That is like saying, "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play". The bottom line is 8 guys killed 130 people and wounded 368 in a few minutes. That is not even in the same ball park with the worst mass shooting in the US. And as usual, you are completely wrong about what I am thinking. You should consider giving up this habit of yours, as you are almost always incorrect. It doesn't matter that the "goobers in Virginia" were not as well-trained as the "typical islamic cell." They are still terrorists by definition and may have been intent on mass murder. Most of the shooters/bombers in this country, the ones who take on office buildings, schools, abortion clinics, shopping centers, churches, et cetera, are "born in the USA" terrorists and mass murderers. Most of them are white males. They are the ones committing most of the terrorist acts in this country. I'm not ignoring 9-11 or Ft. Hood or the Navy Yard. I'm saying that *most* of the terrorist events in this country that end up slaughtering masses of innocent civilians are perpetrated by white American males, and most of them are doing their killing with firearms, a fact about which this country is prepared to do...nothing. Oh, and there's also McVeigh, I guess, a well-known Syrian refugee. Not. You are using a pretty loose definition of "terrorist" or what terrorism is. The goal of terrorist organizations like ISIS or al Qaeda is to create a high degree of fear and anxiousness about where they may strike next and to further a political cause. They go out of their way to broadcast threats, with the intent of putting the public on edge, looking over their shoulders and wondering what and who next? Not the same as a mentally disturbed nutcase who decides to shoot up a movie theater or a school for whatever bizarre personal reasons they may have. They usually are not on the radar screen and their actions, although horrific, are a one-time deal. Most die in the execution of their plan and that's the end of them. Even the example you gave ... McVeigh ... doesn't really fit the description of a "terrorist". He was another nut-case with warped, anti-government views. Please. Stop. McVeigh was a terrorist with political causes. Many of our recent USA mass shooters had causes. I think by definition these Muslim terrorists are nutcases, driven by their crazed definition of their religious beliefs. From Wiki: Since 1994, the United Nations General Assembly has repeatedly condemned terrorist acts using the following political description of terrorism: Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them. U.S. Code Tittle 22 Chapter 38, Section 2656f(d) defines terrorism as: “Premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.” - - - And you think either or both of those definitions fit the "goobers from fumbuck, VA" ? According to the news clip, their targets were the facilities of Jews and blacks. That would fall under the "considerations of a ...racial...religious...nature." And let's not forget "Criminal acts intended to provoke a state of terror in the public," like, say, shooting up a school, church, or shopping center. Or blowing up an abortion clinic. Terrorism. And again, nothing is done to the perpetrators...right Krause? What a f'ing joke you've become. -- Ban idiots, not guns! What has that to do with the fact that we have far more problems with armed domestic terrorists these days than foreign terrorists? Do you think that many of them die while committing their crimes makes the families of their victims feel better? |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/20/15 3:39 PM, Califbill wrote: Justan Olphart wrote: On 11/20/2015 1:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 1:34 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:48:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpjej4OhXc I think you will find that these goobers in fumbuck Virginia are not as well trained and certainly not as well equipped as the typical islamic cell. The wogs in Paris had automatic weapons and explosives in a place where guns are pretty much banned. The law had little effect on them. The leader was on the 10 most wanted list in all of Europe yet he easily moved across the continent and was found a few hundred meters from the site of the attack almost a week later, located by Turkish intelligence, not the French. You try to draw the parallel between a disturbed teenager and a team of terrorists but the death toll quickly points out the difference. You always cite statistics but you also want to rule out 9-11 and you ignore the muslim shooters like the guys who shot up the navy yard or Ft Hood. That is like saying, "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play". The bottom line is 8 guys killed 130 people and wounded 368 in a few minutes. That is not even in the same ball park with the worst mass shooting in the US. And as usual, you are completely wrong about what I am thinking. You should consider giving up this habit of yours, as you are almost always incorrect. It doesn't matter that the "goobers in Virginia" were not as well-trained as the "typical islamic cell." They are still terrorists by definition and may have been intent on mass murder. Most of the shooters/bombers in this country, the ones who take on office buildings, schools, abortion clinics, shopping centers, churches, et cetera, are "born in the USA" terrorists and mass murderers. Most of them are white males. They are the ones committing most of the terrorist acts in this country. I'm not ignoring 9-11 or Ft. Hood or the Navy Yard. I'm saying that *most* of the terrorist events in this country that end up slaughtering masses of innocent civilians are perpetrated by white American males, and most of them are doing their killing with firearms, a fact about which this country is prepared to do...nothing. Oh, and there's also McVeigh, I guess, a well-known Syrian refugee. Not. Let me take a wild guess. Your solution has something to do with firearms. Pray tell. What exactly might your solution be? A couple of nutcases shoot up places. So the Liberal government leaders want to restrict all gun to owners. But we may have a couple of ISIS people slip in with Syrian Muslim refugees, so lis ok to let in all of them. Sense? A couple of nutcases, eh? Just a couple... Yup. What, 100,000,000 gun owners in the states? How many mass shooters? What does your Dr. Dr. Wife do when she gets an unstable person? Notify the authorities that the dingaling shoot not be able to buy a firearm? |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/20/15 4:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/20/2015 1:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 1:34 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:48:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpjej4OhXc I think you will find that these goobers in fumbuck Virginia are not as well trained and certainly not as well equipped as the typical islamic cell. The wogs in Paris had automatic weapons and explosives in a place where guns are pretty much banned. The law had little effect on them. The leader was on the 10 most wanted list in all of Europe yet he easily moved across the continent and was found a few hundred meters from the site of the attack almost a week later, located by Turkish intelligence, not the French. You try to draw the parallel between a disturbed teenager and a team of terrorists but the death toll quickly points out the difference. You always cite statistics but you also want to rule out 9-11 and you ignore the muslim shooters like the guys who shot up the navy yard or Ft Hood. That is like saying, "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play". The bottom line is 8 guys killed 130 people and wounded 368 in a few minutes. That is not even in the same ball park with the worst mass shooting in the US. And as usual, you are completely wrong about what I am thinking. You should consider giving up this habit of yours, as you are almost always incorrect. It doesn't matter that the "goobers in Virginia" were not as well-trained as the "typical islamic cell." They are still terrorists by definition and may have been intent on mass murder. Most of the shooters/bombers in this country, the ones who take on office buildings, schools, abortion clinics, shopping centers, churches, et cetera, are "born in the USA" terrorists and mass murderers. Most of them are white males. They are the ones committing most of the terrorist acts in this country. I'm not ignoring 9-11 or Ft. Hood or the Navy Yard. I'm saying that *most* of the terrorist events in this country that end up slaughtering masses of innocent civilians are perpetrated by white American males, and most of them are doing their killing with firearms, a fact about which this country is prepared to do...nothing. Oh, and there's also McVeigh, I guess, a well-known Syrian refugee. Not. You are using a pretty loose definition of "terrorist" or what terrorism is. The goal of terrorist organizations like ISIS or al Qaeda is to create a high degree of fear and anxiousness about where they may strike next and to further a political cause. They go out of their way to broadcast threats, with the intent of putting the public on edge, looking over their shoulders and wondering what and who next? Not the same as a mentally disturbed nutcase who decides to shoot up a movie theater or a school for whatever bizarre personal reasons they may have. They usually are not on the radar screen and their actions, although horrific, are a one-time deal. Most die in the execution of their plan and that's the end of them. Even the example you gave ... McVeigh ... doesn't really fit the description of a "terrorist". He was another nut-case with warped, anti-government views. Please. Stop. McVeigh was a terrorist with political causes. Many of our recent USA mass shooters had causes. I think by definition these Muslim terrorists are nutcases, driven by their crazed definition of their religious beliefs. From Wiki: Since 1994, the United Nations General Assembly has repeatedly condemned terrorist acts using the following political description of terrorism: Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them. U.S. Code Tittle 22 Chapter 38, Section 2656f(d) defines terrorism as: “Premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.†- - - A "writer" quoting wikipedia? Fantastic! |
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John H. wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:21:09 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 4:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/20/2015 4:45 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 4:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/20/2015 1:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 1:34 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:48:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpjej4OhXc I think you will find that these goobers in fumbuck Virginia are not as well trained and certainly not as well equipped as the typical islamic cell. The wogs in Paris had automatic weapons and explosives in a place where guns are pretty much banned. The law had little effect on them. The leader was on the 10 most wanted list in all of Europe yet he easily moved across the continent and was found a few hundred meters from the site of the attack almost a week later, located by Turkish intelligence, not the French. You try to draw the parallel between a disturbed teenager and a team of terrorists but the death toll quickly points out the difference. You always cite statistics but you also want to rule out 9-11 and you ignore the muslim shooters like the guys who shot up the navy yard or Ft Hood. That is like saying, "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play". The bottom line is 8 guys killed 130 people and wounded 368 in a few minutes. That is not even in the same ball park with the worst mass shooting in the US. And as usual, you are completely wrong about what I am thinking. You should consider giving up this habit of yours, as you are almost always incorrect. It doesn't matter that the "goobers in Virginia" were not as well-trained as the "typical islamic cell." They are still terrorists by definition and may have been intent on mass murder. Most of the shooters/bombers in this country, the ones who take on office buildings, schools, abortion clinics, shopping centers, churches, et cetera, are "born in the USA" terrorists and mass murderers. Most of them are white males. They are the ones committing most of the terrorist acts in this country. I'm not ignoring 9-11 or Ft. Hood or the Navy Yard. I'm saying that *most* of the terrorist events in this country that end up slaughtering masses of innocent civilians are perpetrated by white American males, and most of them are doing their killing with firearms, a fact about which this country is prepared to do...nothing. Oh, and there's also McVeigh, I guess, a well-known Syrian refugee. Not. You are using a pretty loose definition of "terrorist" or what terrorism is. The goal of terrorist organizations like ISIS or al Qaeda is to create a high degree of fear and anxiousness about where they may strike next and to further a political cause. They go out of their way to broadcast threats, with the intent of putting the public on edge, looking over their shoulders and wondering what and who next? Not the same as a mentally disturbed nutcase who decides to shoot up a movie theater or a school for whatever bizarre personal reasons they may have. They usually are not on the radar screen and their actions, although horrific, are a one-time deal. Most die in the execution of their plan and that's the end of them. Even the example you gave ... McVeigh ... doesn't really fit the description of a "terrorist". He was another nut-case with warped, anti-government views. Please. Stop. McVeigh was a terrorist with political causes. Many of our recent USA mass shooters had causes. I think by definition these Muslim terrorists are nutcases, driven by their crazed definition of their religious beliefs. From Wiki: Since 1994, the United Nations General Assembly has repeatedly condemned terrorist acts using the following political description of terrorism: Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them. U.S. Code Tittle 22 Chapter 38, Section 2656f(d) defines terrorism as: “Premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.” - - - And you think either or both of those definitions fit the "goobers from fumbuck, VA" ? According to the news clip, their targets were the facilities of Jews and blacks. That would fall under the "considerations of a ...racial...religious...nature." And let's not forget "Criminal acts intended to provoke a state of terror in the public," like, say, shooting up a school, church, or shopping center. Or blowing up an abortion clinic. Terrorism. And again, nothing is done to the perpetrators...right Krause? What a f'ing joke you've become. -- Ban idiots, not guns! "become"??? He has always been a liar AND a tax cheat. |
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He himself said: In his letter, McVeigh said he was an agnostic but that he would "improvise, adapt and overcome", if it turned out there was an afterlife. "If I'm going to hell," he wrote, "I'm gonna have a lot of company." His body is to be cremated and his ashes scattered in a secret location. http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...1/mcveigh.usa4 So, I guess that would make him an Agnostic Terrorist. I agree with your assessment that his bombing of the Oklahoma federal building was an act of terrorism by definition.
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:17:24 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 11/20/15 1:34 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:48:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpjej4OhXc I think you will find that these goobers in fumbuck Virginia are not as well trained and certainly not as well equipped as the typical islamic cell. The wogs in Paris had automatic weapons and explosives in a place where guns are pretty much banned. The law had little effect on them. The leader was on the 10 most wanted list in all of Europe yet he easily moved across the continent and was found a few hundred meters from the site of the attack almost a week later, located by Turkish intelligence, not the French. You try to draw the parallel between a disturbed teenager and a team of terrorists but the death toll quickly points out the difference. You always cite statistics but you also want to rule out 9-11 and you ignore the muslim shooters like the guys who shot up the navy yard or Ft Hood. That is like saying, "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play". The bottom line is 8 guys killed 130 people and wounded 368 in a few minutes. That is not even in the same ball park with the worst mass shooting in the US. Oh. In 1995, Timothy McVeigh, a white Christian terrorist born in the USA detonated a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people and injuring more than 600. That's...one...guy. Actually at least 4 (Terry Nichols, Michael and Lori Fortier) but lets not let facts get in the way of a good rant. I do get a chuckle over how the gut nutsies minimize the mass murders committed with guns. I guess those killings don't count because...guns. Interesting that you are trying to make an anti gun case and you invoke a 20 year old bombing that dod not involve a gun. If you are going back that far you might as well include the other WTC attack or the police murders of women and children at Waco. |
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:39:25 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:
A couple of nutcases shoot up places. So the Liberal government leaders want to restrict all gun to owners. But we may have a couple of ISIS people slip in with Syrian Muslim refugees, so lis ok to let in all of them. Sense? Harry is just saying there is nothing we can do about that. We shouldn't care about an ISIS team that can kill hundreds or thousands because we haven't stopped every psychotic teenager with a gun. |
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 12:39:25 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote: A couple of nutcases shoot up places. So the Liberal government leaders want to restrict all gun to owners. But we may have a couple of ISIS people slip in with Syrian Muslim refugees, so lis ok to let in all of them. Sense? Harry is just saying there is nothing we can do about that. We shouldn't care about an ISIS team that can kill hundreds or thousands because we haven't stopped every psychotic teenager with a gun. Maybe he should leave the basement and ask Dr. Dr. Why she and her colleagues fail so oven. |
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