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Terrorists Arrested in Virginia
On 11/20/2015 4:45 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/20/15 4:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/20/2015 1:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 1:34 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:48:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpjej4OhXc I think you will find that these goobers in fumbuck Virginia are not as well trained and certainly not as well equipped as the typical islamic cell. The wogs in Paris had automatic weapons and explosives in a place where guns are pretty much banned. The law had little effect on them. The leader was on the 10 most wanted list in all of Europe yet he easily moved across the continent and was found a few hundred meters from the site of the attack almost a week later, located by Turkish intelligence, not the French. You try to draw the parallel between a disturbed teenager and a team of terrorists but the death toll quickly points out the difference. You always cite statistics but you also want to rule out 9-11 and you ignore the muslim shooters like the guys who shot up the navy yard or Ft Hood. That is like saying, "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play". The bottom line is 8 guys killed 130 people and wounded 368 in a few minutes. That is not even in the same ball park with the worst mass shooting in the US. And as usual, you are completely wrong about what I am thinking. You should consider giving up this habit of yours, as you are almost always incorrect. It doesn't matter that the "goobers in Virginia" were not as well-trained as the "typical islamic cell." They are still terrorists by definition and may have been intent on mass murder. Most of the shooters/bombers in this country, the ones who take on office buildings, schools, abortion clinics, shopping centers, churches, et cetera, are "born in the USA" terrorists and mass murderers. Most of them are white males. They are the ones committing most of the terrorist acts in this country. I'm not ignoring 9-11 or Ft. Hood or the Navy Yard. I'm saying that *most* of the terrorist events in this country that end up slaughtering masses of innocent civilians are perpetrated by white American males, and most of them are doing their killing with firearms, a fact about which this country is prepared to do...nothing. Oh, and there's also McVeigh, I guess, a well-known Syrian refugee. Not. You are using a pretty loose definition of "terrorist" or what terrorism is. The goal of terrorist organizations like ISIS or al Qaeda is to create a high degree of fear and anxiousness about where they may strike next and to further a political cause. They go out of their way to broadcast threats, with the intent of putting the public on edge, looking over their shoulders and wondering what and who next? Not the same as a mentally disturbed nutcase who decides to shoot up a movie theater or a school for whatever bizarre personal reasons they may have. They usually are not on the radar screen and their actions, although horrific, are a one-time deal. Most die in the execution of their plan and that's the end of them. Even the example you gave ... McVeigh ... doesn't really fit the description of a "terrorist". He was another nut-case with warped, anti-government views. Please. Stop. McVeigh was a terrorist with political causes. Many of our recent USA mass shooters had causes. I think by definition these Muslim terrorists are nutcases, driven by their crazed definition of their religious beliefs. From Wiki: Since 1994, the United Nations General Assembly has repeatedly condemned terrorist acts using the following political description of terrorism: Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them. U.S. Code Tittle 22 Chapter 38, Section 2656f(d) defines terrorism as: “Premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.” - - - And you think either or both of those definitions fit the "goobers from fumbuck, VA" ? |
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Terrorists Arrested in Virginia
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/20/15 4:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/20/2015 1:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 1:34 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:48:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpjej4OhXc I think you will find that these goobers in fumbuck Virginia are not as well trained and certainly not as well equipped as the typical islamic cell. The wogs in Paris had automatic weapons and explosives in a place where guns are pretty much banned. The law had little effect on them. The leader was on the 10 most wanted list in all of Europe yet he easily moved across the continent and was found a few hundred meters from the site of the attack almost a week later, located by Turkish intelligence, not the French. You try to draw the parallel between a disturbed teenager and a team of terrorists but the death toll quickly points out the difference. You always cite statistics but you also want to rule out 9-11 and you ignore the muslim shooters like the guys who shot up the navy yard or Ft Hood. That is like saying, "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play". The bottom line is 8 guys killed 130 people and wounded 368 in a few minutes. That is not even in the same ball park with the worst mass shooting in the US. And as usual, you are completely wrong about what I am thinking. You should consider giving up this habit of yours, as you are almost always incorrect. It doesn't matter that the "goobers in Virginia" were not as well-trained as the "typical islamic cell." They are still terrorists by definition and may have been intent on mass murder. Most of the shooters/bombers in this country, the ones who take on office buildings, schools, abortion clinics, shopping centers, churches, et cetera, are "born in the USA" terrorists and mass murderers. Most of them are white males. They are the ones committing most of the terrorist acts in this country. I'm not ignoring 9-11 or Ft. Hood or the Navy Yard. I'm saying that *most* of the terrorist events in this country that end up slaughtering masses of innocent civilians are perpetrated by white American males, and most of them are doing their killing with firearms, a fact about which this country is prepared to do...nothing. Oh, and there's also McVeigh, I guess, a well-known Syrian refugee. Not. You are using a pretty loose definition of "terrorist" or what terrorism is. The goal of terrorist organizations like ISIS or al Qaeda is to create a high degree of fear and anxiousness about where they may strike next and to further a political cause. They go out of their way to broadcast threats, with the intent of putting the public on edge, looking over their shoulders and wondering what and who next? Not the same as a mentally disturbed nutcase who decides to shoot up a movie theater or a school for whatever bizarre personal reasons they may have. They usually are not on the radar screen and their actions, although horrific, are a one-time deal. Most die in the execution of their plan and that's the end of them. Even the example you gave ... McVeigh ... doesn't really fit the description of a "terrorist". He was another nut-case with warped, anti-government views. Please. Stop. McVeigh was a terrorist with political causes. Many of our recent USA mass shooters had causes. I think by definition these Muslim terrorists are nutcases, driven by their crazed definition of their religious beliefs. From Wiki: Since 1994, the United Nations General Assembly has repeatedly condemned terrorist acts using the following political description of terrorism: Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them. U.S. Code Tittle 22 Chapter 38, Section 2656f(d) defines terrorism as: “Premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.” - - - A "writer" quoting wikipedia? Fantastic! |
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Terrorists Arrested in Virginia
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:54:30 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 11/20/15 1:34 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:48:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpjej4OhXc I think you will find that these goobers in fumbuck Virginia are not as well trained and certainly not as well equipped as the typical islamic cell. The wogs in Paris had automatic weapons and explosives in a place where guns are pretty much banned. The law had little effect on them. The leader was on the 10 most wanted list in all of Europe yet he easily moved across the continent and was found a few hundred meters from the site of the attack almost a week later, located by Turkish intelligence, not the French. You try to draw the parallel between a disturbed teenager and a team of terrorists but the death toll quickly points out the difference. You always cite statistics but you also want to rule out 9-11 and you ignore the muslim shooters like the guys who shot up the navy yard or Ft Hood. That is like saying, "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play". The bottom line is 8 guys killed 130 people and wounded 368 in a few minutes. That is not even in the same ball park with the worst mass shooting in the US. And as usual, you are completely wrong about what I am thinking. You should consider giving up this habit of yours, as you are almost always incorrect. It doesn't matter that the "goobers in Virginia" were not as well-trained as the "typical islamic cell." They are still terrorists by definition and may have been intent on mass murder. Most of the shooters/bombers in this country, the ones who take on office buildings, schools, abortion clinics, shopping centers, churches, et cetera, are "born in the USA" terrorists and mass murderers. Most of them are white males. They are the ones committing most of the terrorist acts in this country. I'm not ignoring 9-11 or Ft. Hood or the Navy Yard. I'm saying that *most* of the terrorist events in this country that end up slaughtering masses of innocent civilians are perpetrated by white American males, and most of them are doing their killing with firearms, a fact about which this country is prepared to do...nothing. Oh, and there's also McVeigh, I guess, a well-known Syrian refugee. Not. You conveniently dodged the issue of the medical establishment and the families not doing anything about the ones who were as crazy as a **** house rat. That is most of the mass shooters you are talking about. I understand that if you are willing to lump in every criminal in the US, you can rack up some serious numbers but pretty soon you will be getting down to drug gang murders, a significant number of the shootings that get into that bogus "mass shooting" statistic. |
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Terrorists Arrested in Virginia
On 11/20/15 10:32 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:54:30 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 1:34 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:48:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpjej4OhXc I think you will find that these goobers in fumbuck Virginia are not as well trained and certainly not as well equipped as the typical islamic cell. The wogs in Paris had automatic weapons and explosives in a place where guns are pretty much banned. The law had little effect on them. The leader was on the 10 most wanted list in all of Europe yet he easily moved across the continent and was found a few hundred meters from the site of the attack almost a week later, located by Turkish intelligence, not the French. You try to draw the parallel between a disturbed teenager and a team of terrorists but the death toll quickly points out the difference. You always cite statistics but you also want to rule out 9-11 and you ignore the muslim shooters like the guys who shot up the navy yard or Ft Hood. That is like saying, "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play". The bottom line is 8 guys killed 130 people and wounded 368 in a few minutes. That is not even in the same ball park with the worst mass shooting in the US. And as usual, you are completely wrong about what I am thinking. You should consider giving up this habit of yours, as you are almost always incorrect. It doesn't matter that the "goobers in Virginia" were not as well-trained as the "typical islamic cell." They are still terrorists by definition and may have been intent on mass murder. Most of the shooters/bombers in this country, the ones who take on office buildings, schools, abortion clinics, shopping centers, churches, et cetera, are "born in the USA" terrorists and mass murderers. Most of them are white males. They are the ones committing most of the terrorist acts in this country. I'm not ignoring 9-11 or Ft. Hood or the Navy Yard. I'm saying that *most* of the terrorist events in this country that end up slaughtering masses of innocent civilians are perpetrated by white American males, and most of them are doing their killing with firearms, a fact about which this country is prepared to do...nothing. Oh, and there's also McVeigh, I guess, a well-known Syrian refugee. Not. You conveniently dodged the issue of the medical establishment and the families not doing anything about the ones who were as crazy as a **** house rat. That is most of the mass shooters you are talking about. I understand that if you are willing to lump in every criminal in the US, you can rack up some serious numbers but pretty soon you will be getting down to drug gang murders, a significant number of the shootings that get into that bogus "mass shooting" statistic. You apparently do not know the difference between drug gangs shooting the members of rival drug gangs and a terrorist going to a school and shooting it up, and typically shooting people he mostly doesn't know or know about. As for your "crazy as a **** out rat comment, I posit that "crazy people" and overzealous religious people who commit mass murder aren't much different in terms of insanity. |
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Terrorists Arrested in Virginia
On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:15:15 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 11/20/15 10:32 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:54:30 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 1:34 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:48:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpjej4OhXc I think you will find that these goobers in fumbuck Virginia are not as well trained and certainly not as well equipped as the typical islamic cell. The wogs in Paris had automatic weapons and explosives in a place where guns are pretty much banned. The law had little effect on them. The leader was on the 10 most wanted list in all of Europe yet he easily moved across the continent and was found a few hundred meters from the site of the attack almost a week later, located by Turkish intelligence, not the French. You try to draw the parallel between a disturbed teenager and a team of terrorists but the death toll quickly points out the difference. You always cite statistics but you also want to rule out 9-11 and you ignore the muslim shooters like the guys who shot up the navy yard or Ft Hood. That is like saying, "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play". The bottom line is 8 guys killed 130 people and wounded 368 in a few minutes. That is not even in the same ball park with the worst mass shooting in the US. And as usual, you are completely wrong about what I am thinking. You should consider giving up this habit of yours, as you are almost always incorrect. It doesn't matter that the "goobers in Virginia" were not as well-trained as the "typical islamic cell." They are still terrorists by definition and may have been intent on mass murder. Most of the shooters/bombers in this country, the ones who take on office buildings, schools, abortion clinics, shopping centers, churches, et cetera, are "born in the USA" terrorists and mass murderers. Most of them are white males. They are the ones committing most of the terrorist acts in this country. I'm not ignoring 9-11 or Ft. Hood or the Navy Yard. I'm saying that *most* of the terrorist events in this country that end up slaughtering masses of innocent civilians are perpetrated by white American males, and most of them are doing their killing with firearms, a fact about which this country is prepared to do...nothing. Oh, and there's also McVeigh, I guess, a well-known Syrian refugee. Not. You conveniently dodged the issue of the medical establishment and the families not doing anything about the ones who were as crazy as a **** house rat. That is most of the mass shooters you are talking about. I understand that if you are willing to lump in every criminal in the US, you can rack up some serious numbers but pretty soon you will be getting down to drug gang murders, a significant number of the shootings that get into that bogus "mass shooting" statistic. You apparently do not know the difference between drug gangs shooting the members of rival drug gangs and a terrorist going to a school and shooting it up, and typically shooting people he mostly doesn't know or know about. The problem with that is the "mass shooting" statistic you throw around includes a drug gang shooting that involves multiple victims. As for your "crazy as a **** out rat comment, I posit that "crazy people" and overzealous religious people who commit mass murder aren't much different in terms of insanity. Perhaps not |
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Terrorists Arrested in Virginia
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/20/15 10:32 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:54:30 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 11/20/15 1:34 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:48:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpjej4OhXc I think you will find that these goobers in fumbuck Virginia are not as well trained and certainly not as well equipped as the typical islamic cell. The wogs in Paris had automatic weapons and explosives in a place where guns are pretty much banned. The law had little effect on them. The leader was on the 10 most wanted list in all of Europe yet he easily moved across the continent and was found a few hundred meters from the site of the attack almost a week later, located by Turkish intelligence, not the French. You try to draw the parallel between a disturbed teenager and a team of terrorists but the death toll quickly points out the difference. You always cite statistics but you also want to rule out 9-11 and you ignore the muslim shooters like the guys who shot up the navy yard or Ft Hood. That is like saying, "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play". The bottom line is 8 guys killed 130 people and wounded 368 in a few minutes. That is not even in the same ball park with the worst mass shooting in the US. And as usual, you are completely wrong about what I am thinking. You should consider giving up this habit of yours, as you are almost always incorrect. It doesn't matter that the "goobers in Virginia" were not as well-trained as the "typical islamic cell." They are still terrorists by definition and may have been intent on mass murder. Most of the shooters/bombers in this country, the ones who take on office buildings, schools, abortion clinics, shopping centers, churches, et cetera, are "born in the USA" terrorists and mass murderers. Most of them are white males. They are the ones committing most of the terrorist acts in this country. I'm not ignoring 9-11 or Ft. Hood or the Navy Yard. I'm saying that *most* of the terrorist events in this country that end up slaughtering masses of innocent civilians are perpetrated by white American males, and most of them are doing their killing with firearms, a fact about which this country is prepared to do...nothing. Oh, and there's also McVeigh, I guess, a well-known Syrian refugee. Not. You conveniently dodged the issue of the medical establishment and the families not doing anything about the ones who were as crazy as a **** house rat. That is most of the mass shooters you are talking about. I understand that if you are willing to lump in every criminal in the US, you can rack up some serious numbers but pretty soon you will be getting down to drug gang murders, a significant number of the shootings that get into that bogus "mass shooting" statistic. You apparently do not know the difference between drug gangs shooting the members of rival drug gangs and a terrorist going to a school and shooting it up, and typically shooting people he mostly doesn't know or know about. As for your "crazy as a **** out rat comment, I posit that "crazy people" and overzealous religious people who commit mass murder aren't much different in terms of insanity. The drug shooters are killing lots of people they do not know, and lots are school children. |
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Terrorists Arrested in Virginia
On 11/20/15 1:34 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:48:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpjej4OhXc I think you will find that these goobers in fumbuck Virginia are not as well trained and certainly not as well equipped as the typical islamic cell. The wogs in Paris had automatic weapons and explosives in a place where guns are pretty much banned. The law had little effect on them. The leader was on the 10 most wanted list in all of Europe yet he easily moved across the continent and was found a few hundred meters from the site of the attack almost a week later, located by Turkish intelligence, not the French. You try to draw the parallel between a disturbed teenager and a team of terrorists but the death toll quickly points out the difference. You always cite statistics but you also want to rule out 9-11 and you ignore the muslim shooters like the guys who shot up the navy yard or Ft Hood. That is like saying, "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play". The bottom line is 8 guys killed 130 people and wounded 368 in a few minutes. That is not even in the same ball park with the worst mass shooting in the US. Oh. In 1995, Timothy McVeigh, a white Christian terrorist born in the USA detonated a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people and injuring more than 600. That's...one...guy. I do get a chuckle over how the gut nutsies minimize the mass murders committed with guns. I guess those killings don't count because...guns. |
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Terrorists Arrested in Virginia
On 11/20/2015 3:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/20/15 1:34 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:48:06 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpjej4OhXc I think you will find that these goobers in fumbuck Virginia are not as well trained and certainly not as well equipped as the typical islamic cell. The wogs in Paris had automatic weapons and explosives in a place where guns are pretty much banned. The law had little effect on them. The leader was on the 10 most wanted list in all of Europe yet he easily moved across the continent and was found a few hundred meters from the site of the attack almost a week later, located by Turkish intelligence, not the French. You try to draw the parallel between a disturbed teenager and a team of terrorists but the death toll quickly points out the difference. You always cite statistics but you also want to rule out 9-11 and you ignore the muslim shooters like the guys who shot up the navy yard or Ft Hood. That is like saying, "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play". The bottom line is 8 guys killed 130 people and wounded 368 in a few minutes. That is not even in the same ball park with the worst mass shooting in the US. Oh. In 1995, Timothy McVeigh, a white Christian terrorist born in the USA detonated a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people and injuring more than 600. That's...one...guy. I do get a chuckle over how the gut nutsies minimize the mass murders committed with guns. I guess those killings don't count because...guns. Do you have a point to make? Seems like you are trying to pick an argument but for the life of me I cant even guess at what your side might be. |
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:27:26 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 11/20/2015 3:17 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 11/20/15 1:34 PM, wrote: On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 11:48:06 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpjej4OhXc I think you will find that these goobers in fumbuck Virginia are not as well trained and certainly not as well equipped as the typical islamic cell. The wogs in Paris had automatic weapons and explosives in a place where guns are pretty much banned. The law had little effect on them. The leader was on the 10 most wanted list in all of Europe yet he easily moved across the continent and was found a few hundred meters from the site of the attack almost a week later, located by Turkish intelligence, not the French. You try to draw the parallel between a disturbed teenager and a team of terrorists but the death toll quickly points out the difference. You always cite statistics but you also want to rule out 9-11 and you ignore the muslim shooters like the guys who shot up the navy yard or Ft Hood. That is like saying, "other than that Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play". The bottom line is 8 guys killed 130 people and wounded 368 in a few minutes. That is not even in the same ball park with the worst mass shooting in the US. Oh. In 1995, Timothy McVeigh, a white Christian terrorist born in the USA detonated a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, killing 168 people and injuring more than 600. That's...one...guy. I do get a chuckle over how the gut nutsies minimize the mass murders committed with guns. I guess those killings don't count because...guns. Do you have a point to make? Seems like you are trying to pick an argument but for the life of me I cant even guess at what your side might be. His point: Muslim terrorists are OK. American, white (especially Christian, and NOT BLACK) killers are not OK. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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