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The claim is quite true and I have seen it many times, but I don't think it's as complicated as some make it sound. It can happen in deep water and without wind. In 1992 my eureka moment came one day while heading east on a motor yacht through the Current Rock passage in the Virgin Islands where I had a birds-eye view of whole effect clearly displayed in front of me. I could see that the current causes the waves in the center to travel a little slower than on the outsides, and that this bends the wave train, and now the waves on the left and right were converging towards the center where they added their energy and height. Depending on the location, the effect can be spread over a large or small area I have illustrations here http://www.3dym.com/waves/waves.htm
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Sorry, the link should be http://www.3dym.com/waves.htm
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 02:07:43 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:35:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote: The claim is quite true and I have seen it many times, but I don't think it's as complicated as some make it sound. It can happen in deep water and without wind. In 1992 my eureka moment came one day while heading east on a motor yacht through the Current Rock passage in the Virgin Islands where I had a birds-eye view of whole effect clearly displayed in front of me. I could see that the current causes the waves in the center to travel a little slower than on the outsides, and that this bends the wave train, and now the waves on the left and right were converging towards the center where they added their energy and height. Depending on the location, the effect can be spread over a large or small area I have illustrations here http://www.3dym.com/waves/waves.htm Where we see it all the time is in a pass or mouth of a river when you have an onshore wind (from sea to land) smacking into an outgoing tide or current, the waves will be a washing machine on steroids. If you can hug the shore and get out of the current it will be reasonable as long as you don't run aground.. === Yes, that's very common. The inlets all along the Atlantic coast are particularly dangerous under those conditions except for the ones with big breakwaters. We've also seen it in the eastern Caribbean where the trade winds create big easterly waves but the gaps between the islands are tidal. You can be going along in the normal 3 to 6 ft seas and suddenly see a patch of white water ahead where the waves are breaking and twice as high. |
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On 10/25/2015 11:28 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 02:07:43 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:35:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote: The claim is quite true and I have seen it many times, but I don't think it's as complicated as some make it sound. It can happen in deep water and without wind. In 1992 my eureka moment came one day while heading east on a motor yacht through the Current Rock passage in the Virgin Islands where I had a birds-eye view of whole effect clearly displayed in front of me. I could see that the current causes the waves in the center to travel a little slower than on the outsides, and that this bends the wave train, and now the waves on the left and right were converging towards the center where they added their energy and height. Depending on the location, the effect can be spread over a large or small area I have illustrations here http://www.3dym.com/waves/waves.htm Where we see it all the time is in a pass or mouth of a river when you have an onshore wind (from sea to land) smacking into an outgoing tide or current, the waves will be a washing machine on steroids. If you can hug the shore and get out of the current it will be reasonable as long as you don't run aground.. === Yes, that's very common. The inlets all along the Atlantic coast are particularly dangerous under those conditions except for the ones with big breakwaters. We've also seen it in the eastern Caribbean where the trade winds create big easterly waves but the gaps between the islands are tidal. You can be going along in the normal 3 to 6 ft seas and suddenly see a patch of white water ahead where the waves are breaking and twice as high. Mr Luddite can testify to that. |
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On 10/25/2015 11:28 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 02:07:43 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:35:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote: The claim is quite true and I have seen it many times, but I don't think it's as complicated as some make it sound. It can happen in deep water and without wind. In 1992 my eureka moment came one day while heading east on a motor yacht through the Current Rock passage in the Virgin Islands where I had a birds-eye view of whole effect clearly displayed in front of me. I could see that the current causes the waves in the center to travel a little slower than on the outsides, and that this bends the wave train, and now the waves on the left and right were converging towards the center where they added their energy and height. Depending on the location, the effect can be spread over a large or small area I have illustrations here http://www.3dym.com/waves/waves.htm Where we see it all the time is in a pass or mouth of a river when you have an onshore wind (from sea to land) smacking into an outgoing tide or current, the waves will be a washing machine on steroids. If you can hug the shore and get out of the current it will be reasonable as long as you don't run aground.. === Yes, that's very common. The inlets all along the Atlantic coast are particularly dangerous under those conditions except for the ones with big breakwaters. We've also seen it in the eastern Caribbean where the trade winds create big easterly waves but the gaps between the islands are tidal. You can be going along in the normal 3 to 6 ft seas and suddenly see a patch of white water ahead where the waves are breaking and twice as high. Jupiter Inlet in Florida is notorious for that plus the bottom is constantly shifting due to wave action shoaling. The Coast Guard considers the inlet to be "non-navigable" and boating guides advise to use another inlet north or south of Jupiter. It's ok on calm days but can still be tricky due to changes in depth. Here's a link to a video of a guy in a small boat exiting the inlet on a day that was not as bad as it can get: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUk055TKLes |
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On 10/25/2015 11:44 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 10/25/2015 11:28 AM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 02:07:43 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:35:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote: The claim is quite true and I have seen it many times, but I don't think it's as complicated as some make it sound. It can happen in deep water and without wind. In 1992 my eureka moment came one day while heading east on a motor yacht through the Current Rock passage in the Virgin Islands where I had a birds-eye view of whole effect clearly displayed in front of me. I could see that the current causes the waves in the center to travel a little slower than on the outsides, and that this bends the wave train, and now the waves on the left and right were converging towards the center where they added their energy and height. Depending on the location, the effect can be spread over a large or small area I have illustrations here http://www.3dym.com/waves/waves.htm Where we see it all the time is in a pass or mouth of a river when you have an onshore wind (from sea to land) smacking into an outgoing tide or current, the waves will be a washing machine on steroids. If you can hug the shore and get out of the current it will be reasonable as long as you don't run aground.. === Yes, that's very common. The inlets all along the Atlantic coast are particularly dangerous under those conditions except for the ones with big breakwaters. We've also seen it in the eastern Caribbean where the trade winds create big easterly waves but the gaps between the islands are tidal. You can be going along in the normal 3 to 6 ft seas and suddenly see a patch of white water ahead where the waves are breaking and twice as high. Mr Luddite can testify to that. North River inlet? Yup. Bad experience there. Jupiter Inlet in Florida can be worse though. A 55 footer capsized a few years back trying to get in. |
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:47:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 10/25/2015 11:28 AM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 02:07:43 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:35:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote: The claim is quite true and I have seen it many times, but I don't think it's as complicated as some make it sound. It can happen in deep water and without wind. In 1992 my eureka moment came one day while heading east on a motor yacht through the Current Rock passage in the Virgin Islands where I had a birds-eye view of whole effect clearly displayed in front of me. I could see that the current causes the waves in the center to travel a little slower than on the outsides, and that this bends the wave train, and now the waves on the left and right were converging towards the center where they added their energy and height. Depending on the location, the effect can be spread over a large or small area I have illustrations here http://www.3dym.com/waves/waves.htm Where we see it all the time is in a pass or mouth of a river when you have an onshore wind (from sea to land) smacking into an outgoing tide or current, the waves will be a washing machine on steroids. If you can hug the shore and get out of the current it will be reasonable as long as you don't run aground.. === Yes, that's very common. The inlets all along the Atlantic coast are particularly dangerous under those conditions except for the ones with big breakwaters. We've also seen it in the eastern Caribbean where the trade winds create big easterly waves but the gaps between the islands are tidal. You can be going along in the normal 3 to 6 ft seas and suddenly see a patch of white water ahead where the waves are breaking and twice as high. Jupiter Inlet in Florida is notorious for that plus the bottom is constantly shifting due to wave action shoaling. The Coast Guard considers the inlet to be "non-navigable" and boating guides advise to use another inlet north or south of Jupiter. It's ok on calm days but can still be tricky due to changes in depth. Here's a link to a video of a guy in a small boat exiting the inlet on a day that was not as bad as it can get: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUk055TKLes === This one is from Jupiter inlet also. It's in poor taste because the skipper was killed but it demonstrates all of the bad things that can happen in big waves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Psa49dMJdU |
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 12:41:19 -0400,
wrote: On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:47:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/25/2015 11:28 AM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 02:07:43 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:35:50 -0700 (PDT), wrote: The claim is quite true and I have seen it many times, but I don't think it's as complicated as some make it sound. It can happen in deep water and without wind. In 1992 my eureka moment came one day while heading east on a motor yacht through the Current Rock passage in the Virgin Islands where I had a birds-eye view of whole effect clearly displayed in front of me. I could see that the current causes the waves in the center to travel a little slower than on the outsides, and that this bends the wave train, and now the waves on the left and right were converging towards the center where they added their energy and height. Depending on the location, the effect can be spread over a large or small area I have illustrations here http://www.3dym.com/waves/waves.htm Where we see it all the time is in a pass or mouth of a river when you have an onshore wind (from sea to land) smacking into an outgoing tide or current, the waves will be a washing machine on steroids. If you can hug the shore and get out of the current it will be reasonable as long as you don't run aground.. === Yes, that's very common. The inlets all along the Atlantic coast are particularly dangerous under those conditions except for the ones with big breakwaters. We've also seen it in the eastern Caribbean where the trade winds create big easterly waves but the gaps between the islands are tidal. You can be going along in the normal 3 to 6 ft seas and suddenly see a patch of white water ahead where the waves are breaking and twice as high. Jupiter Inlet in Florida is notorious for that plus the bottom is constantly shifting due to wave action shoaling. The Coast Guard considers the inlet to be "non-navigable" and boating guides advise to use another inlet north or south of Jupiter. It's ok on calm days but can still be tricky due to changes in depth. Here's a link to a video of a guy in a small boat exiting the inlet on a day that was not as bad as it can get: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUk055TKLes === This one is from Jupiter inlet also. It's in poor taste because the skipper was killed but it demonstrates all of the bad things that can happen in big waves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Psa49dMJdU My Pine Island buddy was in a 24' Carolina Skiff that got caught in the relatively protected inlet to the St James City canals. It was an outgoing tide into about 15-20 from the West and they flipped the boat. It got stood up in standing waves, broached and rolled right over. At night, he said it was pretty scary. The ironic thing was he was in sight and pretty much swimming distance from his house. |
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