On 10/24/15 3:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.



I think the GOPers, in a way, provided Mrs. Clinton with the
opportunity of the first real presidential debate. She is formidable in
an adversarial venue in ways that her GOPer competitors are not.

On 10/24/2015 7:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/24/15 3:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.



I think the GOPers, in a way, provided Mrs. Clinton with the
opportunity of the first real presidential debate. She is formidable in
an adversarial venue in ways that her GOPer competitors are not.


Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.

On 10/24/15 8:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 7:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/24/15 3:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving
fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get
Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.



I think the GOPers, in a way, provided Mrs. Clinton with the
opportunity of the first real presidential debate. She is formidable in
an adversarial venue in ways that her GOPer competitors are not.


Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.



Well, she was pressed pretty hard, harder than she would be by reporters
or by any of the GOPer wannabes, and her performance was close to
flawless. She'll have a lot of fun with the two know-nothings, Trump and
Carson, and will easily handle any of the others.

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:37:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.


The question in a good debate would be how those "facts" contributed
to the failed policies in the middle east.
That was the problem with the hearings. They were trying to make bad
policy a criminal matter. It is as stupid as saying Dick Cheney should
be hauled into the dock for his bad policy decisions.
If we did that Sudan could charge Bill Clinton for murder in his
aspirin factory bombing.

On 10/24/15 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:37:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.


The question in a good debate would be how those "facts" contributed
to the failed policies in the middle east.
That was the problem with the hearings. They were trying to make bad
policy a criminal matter. It is as stupid as saying Dick Cheney should
be hauled into the dock for his bad policy decisions.
If we did that Sudan could charge Bill Clinton for murder in his
aspirin factory bombing.



You're a funny guy, especially when you don't mean to be.

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:41:07 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/24/15 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:37:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.


The question in a good debate would be how those "facts" contributed
to the failed policies in the middle east.
That was the problem with the hearings. They were trying to make bad
policy a criminal matter. It is as stupid as saying Dick Cheney should
be hauled into the dock for his bad policy decisions.
If we did that Sudan could charge Bill Clinton for murder in his
aspirin factory bombing.



You're a funny guy, especially when you don't mean to be.

From one who is a lying f'ing joke, eh Krause?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:41:07 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:37:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.


The question in a good debate would be how those "facts" contributed
to the failed policies in the middle east.
That was the problem with the hearings. They were trying to make bad
policy a criminal matter. It is as stupid as saying Dick Cheney should
be hauled into the dock for his bad policy decisions.
If we did that Sudan could charge Bill Clinton for murder in his
aspirin factory bombing.



You're a funny guy, especially when you don't mean to be.

It is hard to understand where you are going with these brain farts.

Are you saying the policies in North Africa were sound?
Are you saying bad policy is a criminal matter?
Are you saying they didn't bomb an aspirin factory and kill an
innocent night watchman?

On 10/24/15 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:41:07 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:37:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.


The question in a good debate would be how those "facts" contributed
to the failed policies in the middle east.
That was the problem with the hearings. They were trying to make bad
policy a criminal matter. It is as stupid as saying Dick Cheney should
be hauled into the dock for his bad policy decisions.
If we did that Sudan could charge Bill Clinton for murder in his
aspirin factory bombing.



You're a funny guy, especially when you don't mean to be.

It is hard to understand where you are going with these brain farts.

Are you saying the policies in North Africa were sound?
Are you saying bad policy is a criminal matter?
Are you saying they didn't bomb an aspirin factory and kill an
innocent night watchman?


I'm saying that many of these events that trouble you so much are part
and parcel of living in today's world. And I don't for a moment believe
that "bad policy decisions" were the reason for Cheney's helping to lie
us into two unnecessary wars that required massive numbers of American
troops on the ground.

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:48:08 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:41:07 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/24/15 11:15 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:37:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.


The question in a good debate would be how those "facts" contributed
to the failed policies in the middle east.
That was the problem with the hearings. They were trying to make bad
policy a criminal matter. It is as stupid as saying Dick Cheney should
be hauled into the dock for his bad policy decisions.
If we did that Sudan could charge Bill Clinton for murder in his
aspirin factory bombing.



You're a funny guy, especially when you don't mean to be.

It is hard to understand where you are going with these brain farts.

Are you saying the policies in North Africa were sound?
Are you saying bad policy is a criminal matter?
Are you saying they didn't bomb an aspirin factory and kill an
innocent night watchman?


I'm saying that many of these events that trouble you so much are part
and parcel of living in today's world. And I don't for a moment believe
that "bad policy decisions" were the reason for Cheney's helping to lie
us into two unnecessary wars that required massive numbers of American
troops on the ground.

The "lie" may be faulty intelligence but it would not be the first
time it happened and it won't be the last. It is still a policy
decision.
That was a decision supported by the current front runner on the
Democratic ticket, the UN and most of our allies, some of whom fed us
the flawed intel in the first place. .

I have never even heard the allegation that Afghanistan was a lie,
that is all you.
The problem there is Democrats were saying that was the "good war" and
encouraging Bush to go bigger. The reality was we missed OBL in Tora
Bora and we should have left as quietly as we entered.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 7:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/24/15 3:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2015 1:14 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 19:30:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/23/15 7:25 PM, wrote:

That is particularly true when every "freedom fighting" band we have
backed in 30 years in that region has turned out to be raving
fundamentalists who start out with "death to America" before the sun
sets on their revolution.


We have our own problems in this country with "raving fundamentalists,"
as was demonstrated yesterday by the Republicans on the "Get Hillary on
Benghazi No Matter What Committee."

I doubt you can put an 11 hour side show in the same category as
beheading 20 people at a time but hyperbole is the language of the
left.


They probably wanted to waterboard her.



I think the GOPers, in a way, provided Mrs. Clinton with the
opportunity of the first real presidential debate. She is formidable in
an adversarial venue in ways that her GOPer competitors are not.


Except she wasn't "debating" a candidate for POTUS.
It's hard to imagine Trump, Carson, JEB or any of the other GOP
potentials scoring points against her in a debate but we'll have
to wait and see.

Her knowledge and command of international facts is certainly
impressive.




She failed at enough of her foreign affairs as SOS to know foreign affairs.