On 10/13/15 8:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 8:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Why, it's time for the Col. Sanders and Hilla the Hun show.




I'll bet that no one comes across as crazy as the Repugnant wannabe's.


No, I think we can expect a well scripted and well rehearsed performance
tonight, especially by Hillary.

That's one thing about Trump, regardless of anyone's views of him.
He doesn't spend a lot of time "preparing". While others are in
the rehearsal room, he's off playing golf somewhere. He just says
what is on his mind at the time of the question.



Yeah, and to any thinking person, Trump's responses are just uninformed
bull****...which the GOPers apparently like.

Well-rehearsed and well-scripted to me means a candidate cares enough to
prep for an event. Serious questions deserve serious answers, but
apparently not so much to fans of Trump, Carson, Cruz, et al.
\


Pretty lively debate on significant issues with significant differences,
but no crazies and no name calling. Jim Webb is out of his league.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:29:49 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/13/15 8:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 8:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Why, it's time for the Col. Sanders and Hilla the Hun show.




I'll bet that no one comes across as crazy as the Repugnant wannabe's.


No, I think we can expect a well scripted and well rehearsed performance
tonight, especially by Hillary.

That's one thing about Trump, regardless of anyone's views of him.
He doesn't spend a lot of time "preparing". While others are in
the rehearsal room, he's off playing golf somewhere. He just says
what is on his mind at the time of the question.



Yeah, and to any thinking person, Trump's responses are just uninformed
bull****...which the GOPers apparently like.

Well-rehearsed and well-scripted to me means a candidate cares enough to
prep for an event. Serious questions deserve serious answers, but
apparently not so much to fans of Trump, Carson, Cruz, et al.
\


Pretty lively debate on significant issues with significant differences,
but no crazies and no name calling. Jim Webb is out of his league.

===

Why do you say that?

wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:29:49 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/13/15 8:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 8:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Why, it's time for the Col. Sanders and Hilla the Hun show.




I'll bet that no one comes across as crazy as the Repugnant wannabe's.


No, I think we can expect a well scripted and well rehearsed performance
tonight, especially by Hillary.

That's one thing about Trump, regardless of anyone's views of him.
He doesn't spend a lot of time "preparing". While others are in
the rehearsal room, he's off playing golf somewhere. He just says
what is on his mind at the time of the question.



Yeah, and to any thinking person, Trump's responses are just uninformed
bull****...which the GOPers apparently like.

Well-rehearsed and well-scripted to me means a candidate cares enough to
prep for an event. Serious questions deserve serious answers, but
apparently not so much to fans of Trump, Carson, Cruz, et al.
\


Pretty lively debate on significant issues with significant differences,
but no crazies and no name calling. Jim Webb is out of his league.

===

Why do you say that?


He did not practice his canned answers enough?

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:38:43 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:29:49 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/13/15 8:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 8:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Why, it's time for the Col. Sanders and Hilla the Hun show.




I'll bet that no one comes across as crazy as the Repugnant wannabe's.


No, I think we can expect a well scripted and well rehearsed performance
tonight, especially by Hillary.

That's one thing about Trump, regardless of anyone's views of him.
He doesn't spend a lot of time "preparing". While others are in
the rehearsal room, he's off playing golf somewhere. He just says
what is on his mind at the time of the question.



Yeah, and to any thinking person, Trump's responses are just uninformed
bull****...which the GOPers apparently like.

Well-rehearsed and well-scripted to me means a candidate cares enough to
prep for an event. Serious questions deserve serious answers, but
apparently not so much to fans of Trump, Carson, Cruz, et al.
\


Pretty lively debate on significant issues with significant differences,
but no crazies and no name calling. Jim Webb is out of his league.

===

Why do you say that?


He did not practice his canned answers enough?

===

Perhaps because he's proud of his military service and is at odds with
some of Harry's sacred cows? No offense to Hillary intended although
I did find many of her responses to be trite, predictable and
contrived. Bernie Sanders comes across as a very straight, likable
guy in spite of his ultra liberal views on some things..

On 10/13/2015 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:38:43 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:29:49 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/13/15 8:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 8:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Why, it's time for the Col. Sanders and Hilla the Hun show.




I'll bet that no one comes across as crazy as the Repugnant wannabe's.


No, I think we can expect a well scripted and well rehearsed performance
tonight, especially by Hillary.

That's one thing about Trump, regardless of anyone's views of him.
He doesn't spend a lot of time "preparing". While others are in
the rehearsal room, he's off playing golf somewhere. He just says
what is on his mind at the time of the question.



Yeah, and to any thinking person, Trump's responses are just uninformed
bull****...which the GOPers apparently like.

Well-rehearsed and well-scripted to me means a candidate cares enough to
prep for an event. Serious questions deserve serious answers, but
apparently not so much to fans of Trump, Carson, Cruz, et al.
\


Pretty lively debate on significant issues with significant differences,
but no crazies and no name calling. Jim Webb is out of his league.

===

Why do you say that?


He did not practice his canned answers enough?

===

Perhaps because he's proud of his military service and is at odds with
some of Harry's sacred cows? No offense to Hillary intended although
I did find many of her responses to be trite, predictable and
contrived. Bernie Sanders comes across as a very straight, likable
guy in spite of his ultra liberal views on some things..



Bernie is certainly passionate about his views and he has been
consistent over the years, it appears. I never paid much attention to
him before he decided to run for president. Obviously, he won't get
the nomination, and I don't think he ever expected to. He just wants to
influence others, particularly Hillary, to adopt more left leaning
positions on issues. He has succeeded.

As for Hillary, she came across pretty well in the debate,
but it shouldn't take 3 weeks of rehearsals and scripting
to answer questions honestly and truthfully.

On 10/14/15 3:07 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:38:43 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:29:49 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/13/15 8:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 8:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Why, it's time for the Col. Sanders and Hilla the Hun show.




I'll bet that no one comes across as crazy as the Repugnant
wannabe's.


No, I think we can expect a well scripted and well rehearsed
performance
tonight, especially by Hillary.

That's one thing about Trump, regardless of anyone's views of him.
He doesn't spend a lot of time "preparing". While others are in
the rehearsal room, he's off playing golf somewhere. He just says
what is on his mind at the time of the question.



Yeah, and to any thinking person, Trump's responses are just
uninformed
bull****...which the GOPers apparently like.

Well-rehearsed and well-scripted to me means a candidate cares
enough to
prep for an event. Serious questions deserve serious answers, but
apparently not so much to fans of Trump, Carson, Cruz, et al.
\


Pretty lively debate on significant issues with significant
differences,
but no crazies and no name calling. Jim Webb is out of his league.

===

Why do you say that?


He did not practice his canned answers enough?

===

Perhaps because he's proud of his military service and is at odds with
some of Harry's sacred cows? No offense to Hillary intended although
I did find many of her responses to be trite, predictable and
contrived. Bernie Sanders comes across as a very straight, likable
guy in spite of his ultra liberal views on some things..



Bernie is certainly passionate about his views and he has been
consistent over the years, it appears. I never paid much attention to
him before he decided to run for president. Obviously, he won't get
the nomination, and I don't think he ever expected to. He just wants to
influence others, particularly Hillary, to adopt more left leaning
positions on issues. He has succeeded.

As for Hillary, she came across pretty well in the debate,
but it shouldn't take 3 weeks of rehearsals and scripting
to answer questions honestly and truthfully.




Hillary was the clear winner in last night's debate. She was
well-prepared, had thoughtful answers, stood her ground when criticized,
and hit back in a reasonable way.\

Bernie Sanders was Bernie Sanders, though a bit more subdued than when
he is alone on a stage or podium. I've always liked and enjoyed Bernie:
on most issues, his heart is in the right place.

I'm not sure why Lincoln Chaffee was there. Martin O'Malley was a
colorless governor of my current home state, and that apparently has not
changed. Jim Webb showed me nothing at all, being a willingness to
debate the debate moderator. He's a man with a great record of public
service and yet he seemed to have nothing to offer. I no longer think
he'd be a good veep candidate for Hillary.

I did enjoy the debate and discussion and, compared to the Republican
pigfest, the lack of rancor toward their fellow candidates. The debaters
understand the issues and they never got ugly. The Republicans are 7th
graders.

Oh, and Hillary will eat the bombastic Mr. Trump alive. He's got nothing
beyond his big mouth, and she'll cut his testicles off on that.

On 10/14/2015 6:10 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/14/15 3:07 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:38:43 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:29:49 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/13/15 8:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 8:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Why, it's time for the Col. Sanders and Hilla the Hun show.




I'll bet that no one comes across as crazy as the Repugnant
wannabe's.


No, I think we can expect a well scripted and well rehearsed
performance
tonight, especially by Hillary.

That's one thing about Trump, regardless of anyone's views of him.
He doesn't spend a lot of time "preparing". While others are in
the rehearsal room, he's off playing golf somewhere. He just says
what is on his mind at the time of the question.



Yeah, and to any thinking person, Trump's responses are just
uninformed
bull****...which the GOPers apparently like.

Well-rehearsed and well-scripted to me means a candidate cares
enough to
prep for an event. Serious questions deserve serious answers, but
apparently not so much to fans of Trump, Carson, Cruz, et al.
\


Pretty lively debate on significant issues with significant
differences,
but no crazies and no name calling. Jim Webb is out of his league.

===

Why do you say that?


He did not practice his canned answers enough?

===

Perhaps because he's proud of his military service and is at odds with
some of Harry's sacred cows? No offense to Hillary intended although
I did find many of her responses to be trite, predictable and
contrived. Bernie Sanders comes across as a very straight, likable
guy in spite of his ultra liberal views on some things..



Bernie is certainly passionate about his views and he has been
consistent over the years, it appears. I never paid much attention to
him before he decided to run for president. Obviously, he won't get
the nomination, and I don't think he ever expected to. He just wants to
influence others, particularly Hillary, to adopt more left leaning
positions on issues. He has succeeded.

As for Hillary, she came across pretty well in the debate,
but it shouldn't take 3 weeks of rehearsals and scripting
to answer questions honestly and truthfully.




Hillary was the clear winner in last night's debate. She was
well-prepared, had thoughtful answers, stood her ground when criticized,
and hit back in a reasonable way.\

Bernie Sanders was Bernie Sanders, though a bit more subdued than when
he is alone on a stage or podium. I've always liked and enjoyed Bernie:
on most issues, his heart is in the right place.

I'm not sure why Lincoln Chaffee was there. Martin O'Malley was a
colorless governor of my current home state, and that apparently has not
changed. Jim Webb showed me nothing at all, being a willingness to
debate the debate moderator. He's a man with a great record of public
service and yet he seemed to have nothing to offer. I no longer think
he'd be a good veep candidate for Hillary.

I did enjoy the debate and discussion and, compared to the Republican
pigfest, the lack of rancor toward their fellow candidates. The debaters
understand the issues and they never got ugly. The Republicans are 7th
graders.

Oh, and Hillary will eat the bombastic Mr. Trump alive. He's got nothing
beyond his big mouth, and she'll cut his testicles off on that.




My view of the Donald has changed considerably. But first, please don't
take what I say as an indication of my support for him. He
hasn't the makings of being POTUS.

When he first announced his candidacy, I figured it was just another one
of his publicity seeking, ego driven endeavors. He loves to be in the
news. But as he went on I started to realize that he is sincere in his
love for his country and truly wants to make a difference. He just
can't because he doesn't have the personality, the political knowledge
or any idea of how Washington DC works. He's trying to make a
difference using the only skill sets he has which includes his bombastic
ways.

I've come to the conclusion that Hillary is very likely to be our next
POTUS. Trump is the type that if Hillary comes on strong in a debate
and scores big time, it will impress him and he'll turn around and
endorse her.

So, that's how I see the cards being played. Hillary is very likely to
win in 2016. As I've said before, I can't in good conscience vote for
her though. Too many lies and too many deceit filled skeletons in her
closet. I'll just sit this election out.

On 10/14/15 6:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/14/2015 6:10 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/14/15 3:07 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:38:43 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:29:49 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/13/15 8:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 8:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Why, it's time for the Col. Sanders and Hilla the Hun show.




I'll bet that no one comes across as crazy as the Repugnant
wannabe's.


No, I think we can expect a well scripted and well rehearsed
performance
tonight, especially by Hillary.

That's one thing about Trump, regardless of anyone's views of him.
He doesn't spend a lot of time "preparing". While others are in
the rehearsal room, he's off playing golf somewhere. He just says
what is on his mind at the time of the question.



Yeah, and to any thinking person, Trump's responses are just
uninformed
bull****...which the GOPers apparently like.

Well-rehearsed and well-scripted to me means a candidate cares
enough to
prep for an event. Serious questions deserve serious answers, but
apparently not so much to fans of Trump, Carson, Cruz, et al.
\


Pretty lively debate on significant issues with significant
differences,
but no crazies and no name calling. Jim Webb is out of his league.

===

Why do you say that?


He did not practice his canned answers enough?

===

Perhaps because he's proud of his military service and is at odds with
some of Harry's sacred cows? No offense to Hillary intended although
I did find many of her responses to be trite, predictable and
contrived. Bernie Sanders comes across as a very straight, likable
guy in spite of his ultra liberal views on some things..



Bernie is certainly passionate about his views and he has been
consistent over the years, it appears. I never paid much attention to
him before he decided to run for president. Obviously, he won't get
the nomination, and I don't think he ever expected to. He just wants to
influence others, particularly Hillary, to adopt more left leaning
positions on issues. He has succeeded.

As for Hillary, she came across pretty well in the debate,
but it shouldn't take 3 weeks of rehearsals and scripting
to answer questions honestly and truthfully.




Hillary was the clear winner in last night's debate. She was
well-prepared, had thoughtful answers, stood her ground when criticized,
and hit back in a reasonable way.\

Bernie Sanders was Bernie Sanders, though a bit more subdued than when
he is alone on a stage or podium. I've always liked and enjoyed Bernie:
on most issues, his heart is in the right place.

I'm not sure why Lincoln Chaffee was there. Martin O'Malley was a
colorless governor of my current home state, and that apparently has not
changed. Jim Webb showed me nothing at all, being a willingness to
debate the debate moderator. He's a man with a great record of public
service and yet he seemed to have nothing to offer. I no longer think
he'd be a good veep candidate for Hillary.

I did enjoy the debate and discussion and, compared to the Republican
pigfest, the lack of rancor toward their fellow candidates. The debaters
understand the issues and they never got ugly. The Republicans are 7th
graders.

Oh, and Hillary will eat the bombastic Mr. Trump alive. He's got nothing
beyond his big mouth, and she'll cut his testicles off on that.




My view of the Donald has changed considerably. But first, please don't
take what I say as an indication of my support for him. He
hasn't the makings of being POTUS.

When he first announced his candidacy, I figured it was just another one
of his publicity seeking, ego driven endeavors. He loves to be in the
news. But as he went on I started to realize that he is sincere in his
love for his country and truly wants to make a difference. He just
can't because he doesn't have the personality, the political knowledge
or any idea of how Washington DC works. He's trying to make a
difference using the only skill sets he has which includes his bombastic
ways.

I've come to the conclusion that Hillary is very likely to be our next
POTUS. Trump is the type that if Hillary comes on strong in a debate
and scores big time, it will impress him and he'll turn around and
endorse her.

So, that's how I see the cards being played. Hillary is very likely to
win in 2016. As I've said before, I can't in good conscience vote for
her though. Too many lies and too many deceit filled skeletons in her
closet. I'll just sit this election out.



I don't understand Trump's appeal as a politician as opposed to a
"showman." There's just nothing there beyond the bombast.

If Mrs. Clinton is the nominee, I certainly hope she wins the election
and perhaps helps recapture the Senate and cuts into the Republican
majority in the House. There isn't a Republican POTUS wannabe who I
think is competent to be an elected official, let along the POTUS. It is
telling to me that the two Republicans who are leading in the POTUS poll
seem to know nothing about civics, politics, how the real political
world works, and, in the case of Carson, is a science denier.

I guess the real political question of the week or the next two weeks is
whether Paul Ryan will give in to the pressure, accept the speaker's
job, and try to herd the cats.

On 10/14/2015 6:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/14/15 6:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/14/2015 6:10 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/14/15 3:07 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:38:43 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:29:49 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/13/15 8:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 8:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Why, it's time for the Col. Sanders and Hilla the Hun show.




I'll bet that no one comes across as crazy as the Repugnant
wannabe's.


No, I think we can expect a well scripted and well rehearsed
performance
tonight, especially by Hillary.

That's one thing about Trump, regardless of anyone's views of
him.
He doesn't spend a lot of time "preparing". While others are in
the rehearsal room, he's off playing golf somewhere. He just
says
what is on his mind at the time of the question.



Yeah, and to any thinking person, Trump's responses are just
uninformed
bull****...which the GOPers apparently like.

Well-rehearsed and well-scripted to me means a candidate cares
enough to
prep for an event. Serious questions deserve serious answers, but
apparently not so much to fans of Trump, Carson, Cruz, et al.
\


Pretty lively debate on significant issues with significant
differences,
but no crazies and no name calling. Jim Webb is out of his league.

===

Why do you say that?


He did not practice his canned answers enough?

===

Perhaps because he's proud of his military service and is at odds with
some of Harry's sacred cows? No offense to Hillary intended although
I did find many of her responses to be trite, predictable and
contrived. Bernie Sanders comes across as a very straight, likable
guy in spite of his ultra liberal views on some things..



Bernie is certainly passionate about his views and he has been
consistent over the years, it appears. I never paid much attention to
him before he decided to run for president. Obviously, he won't get
the nomination, and I don't think he ever expected to. He just
wants to
influence others, particularly Hillary, to adopt more left leaning
positions on issues. He has succeeded.

As for Hillary, she came across pretty well in the debate,
but it shouldn't take 3 weeks of rehearsals and scripting
to answer questions honestly and truthfully.




Hillary was the clear winner in last night's debate. She was
well-prepared, had thoughtful answers, stood her ground when criticized,
and hit back in a reasonable way.\

Bernie Sanders was Bernie Sanders, though a bit more subdued than when
he is alone on a stage or podium. I've always liked and enjoyed Bernie:
on most issues, his heart is in the right place.

I'm not sure why Lincoln Chaffee was there. Martin O'Malley was a
colorless governor of my current home state, and that apparently has not
changed. Jim Webb showed me nothing at all, being a willingness to
debate the debate moderator. He's a man with a great record of public
service and yet he seemed to have nothing to offer. I no longer think
he'd be a good veep candidate for Hillary.

I did enjoy the debate and discussion and, compared to the Republican
pigfest, the lack of rancor toward their fellow candidates. The debaters
understand the issues and they never got ugly. The Republicans are 7th
graders.

Oh, and Hillary will eat the bombastic Mr. Trump alive. He's got nothing
beyond his big mouth, and she'll cut his testicles off on that.




My view of the Donald has changed considerably. But first, please don't
take what I say as an indication of my support for him. He
hasn't the makings of being POTUS.

When he first announced his candidacy, I figured it was just another one
of his publicity seeking, ego driven endeavors. He loves to be in the
news. But as he went on I started to realize that he is sincere in his
love for his country and truly wants to make a difference. He just
can't because he doesn't have the personality, the political knowledge
or any idea of how Washington DC works. He's trying to make a
difference using the only skill sets he has which includes his bombastic
ways.

I've come to the conclusion that Hillary is very likely to be our next
POTUS. Trump is the type that if Hillary comes on strong in a debate
and scores big time, it will impress him and he'll turn around and
endorse her.

So, that's how I see the cards being played. Hillary is very likely to
win in 2016. As I've said before, I can't in good conscience vote for
her though. Too many lies and too many deceit filled skeletons in her
closet. I'll just sit this election out.



I don't understand Trump's appeal as a politician as opposed to a
"showman." There's just nothing there beyond the bombast.

If Mrs. Clinton is the nominee, I certainly hope she wins the election
and perhaps helps recapture the Senate and cuts into the Republican
majority in the House. There isn't a Republican POTUS wannabe who I
think is competent to be an elected official, let along the POTUS. It is
telling to me that the two Republicans who are leading in the POTUS poll
seem to know nothing about civics, politics, how the real political
world works, and, in the case of Carson, is a science denier.

I guess the real political question of the week or the next two weeks is
whether Paul Ryan will give in to the pressure, accept the speaker's
job, and try to herd the cats.


My wife and I were just talking about the debate and of the political
climate in general. Trump's appeal is because of his very populous
views shared by many citizens that include disgust of politics in
general, the lobbyists that buy influence and his views on *illegal*
immigrants. His solutions are stupid and won't work but the general
frustration is shared by many.

The Republican party deserves what it has created via the "Tea Party"
movement. Originally it had some merit but, as you have often pointed
out, it quickly became overrun with ultra conservative zealots often
emphasizing religion as a reason for opposition to more moderate
proposals. It gained enough influence and power that even more moderate
Republicans had to adopt much of the positions in order to
stand a chance of gaining the Tea Party support. The result is what we
now see ... a Republican Party in chaos and completely devoid of a
reasonable, moderate conservative potential. Trump's views fit the
bill in some ways but his style and plans just won't work. Plus, he's
still an ass and would probably ignite WWIII sooner than it's going to
happen anyway.

On 10/14/15 9:28 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/14/2015 6:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/14/15 6:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/14/2015 6:10 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/14/15 3:07 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 10:50 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:38:43 -0700, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:29:49 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/13/15 8:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/13/2015 8:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/13/15 8:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Why, it's time for the Col. Sanders and Hilla the Hun show.




I'll bet that no one comes across as crazy as the Repugnant
wannabe's.


No, I think we can expect a well scripted and well rehearsed
performance
tonight, especially by Hillary.

That's one thing about Trump, regardless of anyone's views of
him.
He doesn't spend a lot of time "preparing". While others
are in
the rehearsal room, he's off playing golf somewhere. He just
says
what is on his mind at the time of the question.



Yeah, and to any thinking person, Trump's responses are just
uninformed
bull****...which the GOPers apparently like.

Well-rehearsed and well-scripted to me means a candidate cares
enough to
prep for an event. Serious questions deserve serious answers, but
apparently not so much to fans of Trump, Carson, Cruz, et al.
\


Pretty lively debate on significant issues with significant
differences,
but no crazies and no name calling. Jim Webb is out of his league.

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Why do you say that?


He did not practice his canned answers enough?

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Perhaps because he's proud of his military service and is at odds
with
some of Harry's sacred cows? No offense to Hillary intended although
I did find many of her responses to be trite, predictable and
contrived. Bernie Sanders comes across as a very straight, likable
guy in spite of his ultra liberal views on some things..



Bernie is certainly passionate about his views and he has been
consistent over the years, it appears. I never paid much attention to
him before he decided to run for president. Obviously, he won't get
the nomination, and I don't think he ever expected to. He just
wants to
influence others, particularly Hillary, to adopt more left leaning
positions on issues. He has succeeded.

As for Hillary, she came across pretty well in the debate,
but it shouldn't take 3 weeks of rehearsals and scripting
to answer questions honestly and truthfully.




Hillary was the clear winner in last night's debate. She was
well-prepared, had thoughtful answers, stood her ground when
criticized,
and hit back in a reasonable way.\

Bernie Sanders was Bernie Sanders, though a bit more subdued than when
he is alone on a stage or podium. I've always liked and enjoyed Bernie:
on most issues, his heart is in the right place.

I'm not sure why Lincoln Chaffee was there. Martin O'Malley was a
colorless governor of my current home state, and that apparently has
not
changed. Jim Webb showed me nothing at all, being a willingness to
debate the debate moderator. He's a man with a great record of public
service and yet he seemed to have nothing to offer. I no longer think
he'd be a good veep candidate for Hillary.

I did enjoy the debate and discussion and, compared to the Republican
pigfest, the lack of rancor toward their fellow candidates. The
debaters
understand the issues and they never got ugly. The Republicans are 7th
graders.

Oh, and Hillary will eat the bombastic Mr. Trump alive. He's got
nothing
beyond his big mouth, and she'll cut his testicles off on that.




My view of the Donald has changed considerably. But first, please don't
take what I say as an indication of my support for him. He
hasn't the makings of being POTUS.

When he first announced his candidacy, I figured it was just another one
of his publicity seeking, ego driven endeavors. He loves to be in the
news. But as he went on I started to realize that he is sincere in his
love for his country and truly wants to make a difference. He just
can't because he doesn't have the personality, the political knowledge
or any idea of how Washington DC works. He's trying to make a
difference using the only skill sets he has which includes his bombastic
ways.

I've come to the conclusion that Hillary is very likely to be our next
POTUS. Trump is the type that if Hillary comes on strong in a debate
and scores big time, it will impress him and he'll turn around and
endorse her.

So, that's how I see the cards being played. Hillary is very likely to
win in 2016. As I've said before, I can't in good conscience vote for
her though. Too many lies and too many deceit filled skeletons in her
closet. I'll just sit this election out.



I don't understand Trump's appeal as a politician as opposed to a
"showman." There's just nothing there beyond the bombast.

If Mrs. Clinton is the nominee, I certainly hope she wins the election
and perhaps helps recapture the Senate and cuts into the Republican
majority in the House. There isn't a Republican POTUS wannabe who I
think is competent to be an elected official, let along the POTUS. It is
telling to me that the two Republicans who are leading in the POTUS poll
seem to know nothing about civics, politics, how the real political
world works, and, in the case of Carson, is a science denier.

I guess the real political question of the week or the next two weeks is
whether Paul Ryan will give in to the pressure, accept the speaker's
job, and try to herd the cats.


My wife and I were just talking about the debate and of the political
climate in general. Trump's appeal is because of his very populous
views shared by many citizens that include disgust of politics in
general, the lobbyists that buy influence and his views on *illegal*
immigrants. His solutions are stupid and won't work but the general
frustration is shared by many.

The Republican party deserves what it has created via the "Tea Party"
movement. Originally it had some merit but, as you have often pointed
out, it quickly became overrun with ultra conservative zealots often
emphasizing religion as a reason for opposition to more moderate
proposals. It gained enough influence and power that even more moderate
Republicans had to adopt much of the positions in order to
stand a chance of gaining the Tea Party support. The result is what we
now see ... a Republican Party in chaos and completely devoid of a
reasonable, moderate conservative potential. Trump's views fit the
bill in some ways but his style and plans just won't work. Plus, he's
still an ass and would probably ignite WWIII sooner than it's going to
happen anyway.



Among the GOPers who want to be POTUS, it isn't just Trump who is a
flaming ass.

Look how "dull" the Democratic debate was...there was no bashing of
women, minorities, immigrants, the LGBTQ community, the poor and there
was no real banging of the Iranian war drum.