We can't do nuttin'...
 

We can’t do nuttin’ about this, sez the Republicans…

Today

One fraternity member was killed and three others wounded in a fight
that escalated into a shooting early Friday near a Greek-life dorm at
Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, Ariz.

and

One student was killed and another person was injured after someone
opened fire outside a Texas Southern University dormitory on Friday
morning, prompting a lockdown at the Houston school, officials said.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/9/2015 3:07 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
We can’t do nuttin’ about this, sez the Republicans…

Today

One fraternity member was killed and three others wounded in a fight
that escalated into a shooting early Friday near a Greek-life dorm at
Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, Ariz.

and

One student was killed and another person was injured after someone
opened fire outside a Texas Southern University dormitory on Friday
morning, prompting a lockdown at the Houston school, officials said.

What Hillery said: What difference does it make.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-poll-numbers/

We can't do nuttin'...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
We can’t do nuttin’ about this, sez the Republicans…

Today

One fraternity member was killed and three others wounded in a fight
that escalated into a shooting early Friday near a Greek-life dorm at
Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, Ariz.

and

One student was killed and another person was injured after someone
opened fire outside a Texas Southern University dormitory on Friday
morning, prompting a lockdown at the Houston school, officials said.


Not guns, but what is the reason there is so much more violence these days?
There were lots of firearms available when I was young. But we had a few
fisticuffs, not shooting and knifing. Look at the amount of stabbings
these days. Overall tells that is not the weapon that is the problem, but
society today. We had cowboy and Indians movies, but not a constant input
of heads blowing up in slow motion, or the popular computer games that are
ultra violent. Probably make "Mortal Combat" seem tame these days. We are
looking at the tools, not the process. Maybe all those kids that were let
off because their shrink said they had a bad childhood, are coming back to
shoot and stab their fellow man.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/9/15 10:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
We can’t do nuttin’ about this, sez the Republicans…

Today

One fraternity member was killed and three others wounded in a fight
that escalated into a shooting early Friday near a Greek-life dorm at
Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, Ariz.

and

One student was killed and another person was injured after someone
opened fire outside a Texas Southern University dormitory on Friday
morning, prompting a lockdown at the Houston school, officials said.


Not guns, but what is the reason there is so much more violence these days?
There were lots of firearms available when I was young. But we had a few
fisticuffs, not shooting and knifing. Look at the amount of stabbings
these days. Overall tells that is not the weapon that is the problem, but
society today. We had cowboy and Indians movies, but not a constant input
of heads blowing up in slow motion, or the popular computer games that are
ultra violent. Probably make "Mortal Combat" seem tame these days. We are
looking at the tools, not the process. Maybe all those kids that were let
off because their shrink said they had a bad childhood, are coming back to
shoot and stab their fellow man.


These "ultra violent" movies are shown all over the free world. Why are
there not the level of shootings "there" as we have here, adjusted for
population differences?

I agree with you that our society is violent. We need to do something
about that.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/9/15 10:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
We can’t do nuttin’ about this, sez the Republicans…

Today

One fraternity member was killed and three others wounded in a fight
that escalated into a shooting early Friday near a Greek-life dorm at
Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, Ariz.

and

One student was killed and another person was injured after someone
opened fire outside a Texas Southern University dormitory on Friday
morning, prompting a lockdown at the Houston school, officials said.


Not guns, but what is the reason there is so much more violence these days?
There were lots of firearms available when I was young. But we had a few
fisticuffs, not shooting and knifing. Look at the amount of stabbings
these days. Overall tells that is not the weapon that is the problem, but
society today. We had cowboy and Indians movies, but not a constant input
of heads blowing up in slow motion, or the popular computer games that are
ultra violent. Probably make "Mortal Combat" seem tame these days. We are
looking at the tools, not the process. Maybe all those kids that were let
off because their shrink said they had a bad childhood, are coming back to
shoot and stab their fellow man.


These "ultra violent" movies are shown all over the free world. Why are
there not the level of shootings "there" as we have here, adjusted for
population differences?

I agree with you that our society is violent. We need to do something
about that.


Lots of those ultra violent movies are censored in other lands. And you
can see lots of violence in youth in Europe. Adults also. Look at the
violence at Soccer matches. Maybe they do not let their youth get away
with claiming bad childhoods, and punish them in the formative years. They
also do not have the huge group of single parent, unwed mothers I bet.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/9/15 11:14 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/9/15 10:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
We can’t do nuttin’ about this, sez the Republicans…

Today

One fraternity member was killed and three others wounded in a fight
that escalated into a shooting early Friday near a Greek-life dorm at
Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, Ariz.

and

One student was killed and another person was injured after someone
opened fire outside a Texas Southern University dormitory on Friday
morning, prompting a lockdown at the Houston school, officials said.


Not guns, but what is the reason there is so much more violence these days?
There were lots of firearms available when I was young. But we had a few
fisticuffs, not shooting and knifing. Look at the amount of stabbings
these days. Overall tells that is not the weapon that is the problem, but
society today. We had cowboy and Indians movies, but not a constant input
of heads blowing up in slow motion, or the popular computer games that are
ultra violent. Probably make "Mortal Combat" seem tame these days. We are
looking at the tools, not the process. Maybe all those kids that were let
off because their shrink said they had a bad childhood, are coming back to
shoot and stab their fellow man.


These "ultra violent" movies are shown all over the free world. Why are
there not the level of shootings "there" as we have here, adjusted for
population differences?

I agree with you that our society is violent. We need to do something
about that.


Lots of those ultra violent movies are censored in other lands. And you
can see lots of violence in youth in Europe. Adults also. Look at the
violence at Soccer matches. Maybe they do not let their youth get away
with claiming bad childhoods, and punish them in the formative years. They
also do not have the huge group of single parent, unwed mothers I bet.



Mass shootings, Bilious...the subject is mass shootings. Why aren't
there several mass shootings a week at schools, shopping centers,
churches, et cetera, in other modern, Western countries...the ones where
the kids see the same movies our kids see.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 22:11:02 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

I agree with you that our society is violent. We need to do something
about that.

I haven't heard anything even close to a plan to address that. The
closest thing I have heard from the left is to put all of the
dangerous stuff on a high shelf.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 08:36:18 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/9/15 11:14 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/9/15 10:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
We can’t do nuttin’ about this, sez the Republicans…

Today

One fraternity member was killed and three others wounded in a fight
that escalated into a shooting early Friday near a Greek-life dorm at
Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, Ariz.

and

One student was killed and another person was injured after someone
opened fire outside a Texas Southern University dormitory on Friday
morning, prompting a lockdown at the Houston school, officials said.


Not guns, but what is the reason there is so much more violence these days?
There were lots of firearms available when I was young. But we had a few
fisticuffs, not shooting and knifing. Look at the amount of stabbings
these days. Overall tells that is not the weapon that is the problem, but
society today. We had cowboy and Indians movies, but not a constant input
of heads blowing up in slow motion, or the popular computer games that are
ultra violent. Probably make "Mortal Combat" seem tame these days. We are
looking at the tools, not the process. Maybe all those kids that were let
off because their shrink said they had a bad childhood, are coming back to
shoot and stab their fellow man.


These "ultra violent" movies are shown all over the free world. Why are
there not the level of shootings "there" as we have here, adjusted for
population differences?

I agree with you that our society is violent. We need to do something
about that.


Lots of those ultra violent movies are censored in other lands. And you
can see lots of violence in youth in Europe. Adults also. Look at the
violence at Soccer matches. Maybe they do not let their youth get away
with claiming bad childhoods, and punish them in the formative years. They
also do not have the huge group of single parent, unwed mothers I bet.



Mass shootings, Bilious...the subject is mass shootings. Why aren't
there several mass shootings a week at schools, shopping centers,
churches, et cetera, in other modern, Western countries...the ones where
the kids see the same movies our kids see.

This isn't Europe but once they assimilate a few million Syrians and
Iraqis, they may start looking a little more like us
Maybe we should be more like your buddy Castro and empty our prisons
into northwestern Europe and see how they do with a little more
diversity.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/10/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 08:36:18 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/9/15 11:14 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/9/15 10:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
We can’t do nuttin’ about this, sez the Republicans…

Today

One fraternity member was killed and three others wounded in a fight
that escalated into a shooting early Friday near a Greek-life dorm at
Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, Ariz.

and

One student was killed and another person was injured after someone
opened fire outside a Texas Southern University dormitory on Friday
morning, prompting a lockdown at the Houston school, officials said.


Not guns, but what is the reason there is so much more violence these days?
There were lots of firearms available when I was young. But we had a few
fisticuffs, not shooting and knifing. Look at the amount of stabbings
these days. Overall tells that is not the weapon that is the problem, but
society today. We had cowboy and Indians movies, but not a constant input
of heads blowing up in slow motion, or the popular computer games that are
ultra violent. Probably make "Mortal Combat" seem tame these days. We are
looking at the tools, not the process. Maybe all those kids that were let
off because their shrink said they had a bad childhood, are coming back to
shoot and stab their fellow man.


These "ultra violent" movies are shown all over the free world. Why are
there not the level of shootings "there" as we have here, adjusted for
population differences?

I agree with you that our society is violent. We need to do something
about that.


Lots of those ultra violent movies are censored in other lands. And you
can see lots of violence in youth in Europe. Adults also. Look at the
violence at Soccer matches. Maybe they do not let their youth get away
with claiming bad childhoods, and punish them in the formative years. They
also do not have the huge group of single parent, unwed mothers I bet.



Mass shootings, Bilious...the subject is mass shootings. Why aren't
there several mass shootings a week at schools, shopping centers,
churches, et cetera, in other modern, Western countries...the ones where
the kids see the same movies our kids see.

This isn't Europe but once they assimilate a few million Syrians and
Iraqis, they may start looking a little more like us
Maybe we should be more like your buddy Castro and empty our prisons
into northwestern Europe and see how they do with a little more
diversity.



Most of our school, shopping center, movie theater shooters seem to be
the sons of 'Merican families who have been here for generations.

Curious...why do you think Castro is my "buddy"? Where do you get these
nonsensical ideas?

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:29:18 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/10/15 10:23 AM, wrote:

This isn't Europe but once they assimilate a few million Syrians and
Iraqis, they may start looking a little more like us
Maybe we should be more like your buddy Castro and empty our prisons
into northwestern Europe and see how they do with a little more
diversity.



Most of our school, shopping center, movie theater shooters seem to be
the sons of 'Merican families who have been here for generations.


Those are a minuscule proportion of the murders in this country. a
Bunch of gang bangers shooting each other is hardly worth even
reporting, much less getting excited about.

Curious...why do you think Castro is my "buddy"? Where do you get these
nonsensical ideas?

He ran a socialist paradise where they has free medical care, free
college, nobody has guns and there was very little income disparity
...... everyone is poor.

Sounds like the utopia that Bernie and you are promoting.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/9/15 11:14 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/9/15 10:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
We can’t do nuttin’ about this, sez the Republicans…

Today

One fraternity member was killed and three others wounded in a fight
that escalated into a shooting early Friday near a Greek-life dorm at
Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, Ariz.

and

One student was killed and another person was injured after someone
opened fire outside a Texas Southern University dormitory on Friday
morning, prompting a lockdown at the Houston school, officials said.


Not guns, but what is the reason there is so much more violence these days?
There were lots of firearms available when I was young. But we had a few
fisticuffs, not shooting and knifing. Look at the amount of stabbings
these days. Overall tells that is not the weapon that is the problem, but
society today. We had cowboy and Indians movies, but not a constant input
of heads blowing up in slow motion, or the popular computer games that are
ultra violent. Probably make "Mortal Combat" seem tame these days. We are
looking at the tools, not the process. Maybe all those kids that were let
off because their shrink said they had a bad childhood, are coming back to
shoot and stab their fellow man.


These "ultra violent" movies are shown all over the free world. Why are
there not the level of shootings "there" as we have here, adjusted for
population differences?

I agree with you that our society is violent. We need to do something
about that.


Lots of those ultra violent movies are censored in other lands. And you
can see lots of violence in youth in Europe. Adults also. Look at the
violence at Soccer matches. Maybe they do not let their youth get away
with claiming bad childhoods, and punish them in the formative years. They
also do not have the huge group of single parent, unwed mothers I bet.



Mass shootings, Bilious...the subject is mass shootings. Why aren't
there several mass shootings a week at schools, shopping centers,
churches, et cetera, in other modern, Western countries...the ones where
the kids see the same movies our kids see.


Not mass shootings. But mass violence. And the question is why. Look at
turkey, suicide bomber kills 80. No gun involved.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:29:18 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/10/15 10:23 AM, wrote:

This isn't Europe but once they assimilate a few million Syrians and
Iraqis, they may start looking a little more like us
Maybe we should be more like your buddy Castro and empty our prisons
into northwestern Europe and see how they do with a little more
diversity.



Most of our school, shopping center, movie theater shooters seem to be
the sons of 'Merican families who have been here for generations.


Those are a minuscule proportion of the murders in this country. a
Bunch of gang bangers shooting each other is hardly worth even
reporting, much less getting excited about.

Curious...why do you think Castro is my "buddy"? Where do you get these
nonsensical ideas?

He ran a socialist paradise where they has free medical care, free
college, nobody has guns and there was very little income disparity
..... everyone is poor.

Sounds like the utopia that Bernie and you are promoting.


Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about, as usual.

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/10/2015 4:02 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:29:18 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/10/15 10:23 AM, wrote:

This isn't Europe but once they assimilate a few million Syrians and
Iraqis, they may start looking a little more like us
Maybe we should be more like your buddy Castro and empty our prisons
into northwestern Europe and see how they do with a little more
diversity.



Most of our school, shopping center, movie theater shooters seem to be
the sons of 'Merican families who have been here for generations.


Those are a minuscule proportion of the murders in this country. a
Bunch of gang bangers shooting each other is hardly worth even
reporting, much less getting excited about.

Curious...why do you think Castro is my "buddy"? Where do you get these
nonsensical ideas?

He ran a socialist paradise where they has free medical care, free
college, nobody has guns and there was very little income disparity
..... everyone is poor.

Sounds like the utopia that Bernie and you are promoting.


Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about, as usual.

That's rich, coming from you.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 17:02:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:29:18 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/10/15 10:23 AM, wrote:

This isn't Europe but once they assimilate a few million Syrians and
Iraqis, they may start looking a little more like us
Maybe we should be more like your buddy Castro and empty our prisons
into northwestern Europe and see how they do with a little more
diversity.



Most of our school, shopping center, movie theater shooters seem to be
the sons of 'Merican families who have been here for generations.


Those are a minuscule proportion of the murders in this country. a
Bunch of gang bangers shooting each other is hardly worth even
reporting, much less getting excited about.

Curious...why do you think Castro is my "buddy"? Where do you get these
nonsensical ideas?

He ran a socialist paradise where they has free medical care, free
college, nobody has guns and there was very little income disparity
..... everyone is poor.

Sounds like the utopia that Bernie and you are promoting.


Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about, as usual.

So I guess that is another thing you will not wax on lyrically again
about. government health care and free college.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 17:02:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:29:18 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/10/15 10:23 AM, wrote:

This isn't Europe but once they assimilate a few million Syrians and
Iraqis, they may start looking a little more like us
Maybe we should be more like your buddy Castro and empty our prisons
into northwestern Europe and see how they do with a little more
diversity.



Most of our school, shopping center, movie theater shooters seem to be
the sons of 'Merican families who have been here for generations.


Those are a minuscule proportion of the murders in this country. a
Bunch of gang bangers shooting each other is hardly worth even
reporting, much less getting excited about.

Curious...why do you think Castro is my "buddy"? Where do you get these
nonsensical ideas?

He ran a socialist paradise where they has free medical care, free
college, nobody has guns and there was very little income disparity
..... everyone is poor.

Sounds like the utopia that Bernie and you are promoting.


Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about, as usual.

So I guess that is another thing you will not wax on lyrically again
about. government health care and free college.


Better we should pour our resources down the drain on the military, eh?


--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:44:25 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 17:02:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:29:18 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/10/15 10:23 AM, wrote:

This isn't Europe but once they assimilate a few million Syrians and
Iraqis, they may start looking a little more like us
Maybe we should be more like your buddy Castro and empty our prisons
into northwestern Europe and see how they do with a little more
diversity.



Most of our school, shopping center, movie theater shooters seem to be
the sons of 'Merican families who have been here for generations.


Those are a minuscule proportion of the murders in this country. a
Bunch of gang bangers shooting each other is hardly worth even
reporting, much less getting excited about.

Curious...why do you think Castro is my "buddy"? Where do you get these
nonsensical ideas?

He ran a socialist paradise where they has free medical care, free
college, nobody has guns and there was very little income disparity
..... everyone is poor.

Sounds like the utopia that Bernie and you are promoting.


Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about, as usual.

So I guess that is another thing you will not wax on lyrically again
about. government health care and free college.


Better we should pour our resources down the drain on the military, eh?

You seem to ignore the fact that DoD may be the biggest high tech jobs
program in the US along with pumping billions into the higher learning
system.
DoD appropriations processes assure that most of these jobs will not
be exported.
The VA puts even more money into education.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.


Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.




The Russians and the Chinese together are still spending on their
military only a small amount of what we spend. I'm not advocating that
we eliminate military spending, but I do think we should seriously cut
back on it each year until it is at a level that is no more than half of
what we currently spend.

Their philosophy is different. They are willing to spend blood more
than money. The US wants to have a war where no GIs are killed. That
is not cheap.

It's also absurd.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.


Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


When you are coming out of a university with a $50,000-100,000 student
debt load, it certainly better be something that gets you a job.
I have no interest in spending tax money to teach things that are just
handy for coffee shop conversations about things that do not return
that investment to the people.


The Russians and the Chinese together are still spending on their
military only a small amount of what we spend. I'm not advocating that
we eliminate military spending, but I do think we should seriously cut
back on it each year until it is at a level that is no more than half of
what we currently spend.

Their philosophy is different. They are willing to spend blood more
than money. The US wants to have a war where no GIs are killed. That
is not cheap.

It's also absurd.

Granted but that is the US philosophy right now. We are spending about
a half a million dollars per combatant we kill, simply because we want
to use robot weapons manned by a guy who is safely ensconced in South
Dakota.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/11/15 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.


Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


When you are coming out of a university with a $50,000-100,000 student
debt load, it certainly better be something that gets you a job.
I have no interest in spending tax money to teach things that are just
handy for coffee shop conversations about things that do not return
that investment to the people.


So I presume that means you are against the study of pure science and
other mainly intellectual pursuits. No surprise.



The Russians and the Chinese together are still spending on their
military only a small amount of what we spend. I'm not advocating that
we eliminate military spending, but I do think we should seriously cut
back on it each year until it is at a level that is no more than half of
what we currently spend.

Their philosophy is different. They are willing to spend blood more
than money. The US wants to have a war where no GIs are killed. That
is not cheap.

It's also absurd.

Granted but that is the US philosophy right now. We are spending about
a half a million dollars per combatant we kill, simply because we want
to use robot weapons manned by a guy who is safely ensconced in South
Dakota.

I believe the Muslims consider that cowardly. And of course, it helps
hide what war does from boobus Americanus.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.



Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity. That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 07:56:56 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

The Russians and the Chinese together are still spending on their
military only a small amount of what we spend. I'm not advocating that
we eliminate military spending, but I do think we should seriously cut
back on it each year until it is at a level that is no more than half of
what we currently spend.

You haven't spent a shekel of your re$ource$ on the military or social
and infrastucture needs of our country. You have no assets of record.
The bank took your house because you failed to make payments as
promised. You filed bankruptcy twice to get out from under your personal
debts. You lie to us continuously about yourself and others.
I don't think there is a soul here who gives a **** about what you do,
think, or say.

===

Harry's a loser and he'd like nothing more than to create a whole
country full of leeches and losers just like him.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/11/2015 10:19 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.

Really? What good has your fine education done you?

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/11/2015 11:22 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.


Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


When you are coming out of a university with a $50,000-100,000 student
debt load, it certainly better be something that gets you a job.
I have no interest in spending tax money to teach things that are just
handy for coffee shop conversations about things that do not return
that investment to the people.


The Russians and the Chinese together are still spending on their
military only a small amount of what we spend. I'm not advocating that
we eliminate military spending, but I do think we should seriously cut
back on it each year until it is at a level that is no more than half of
what we currently spend.

Their philosophy is different. They are willing to spend blood more
than money. The US wants to have a war where no GIs are killed. That
is not cheap.

It's also absurd.

Granted but that is the US philosophy right now. We are spending about
a half a million dollars per combatant we kill, simply because we want
to use robot weapons manned by a guy who is safely ensconced in South
Dakota.

He erased those loans with his bankruptcies. What he has left is
bragging rights to his degrees. Nothing more.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/11/2015 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 07:56:56 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

The Russians and the Chinese together are still spending on their
military only a small amount of what we spend. I'm not advocating that
we eliminate military spending, but I do think we should seriously cut
back on it each year until it is at a level that is no more than half of
what we currently spend.

You haven't spent a shekel of your re$ource$ on the military or social
and infrastucture needs of our country. You have no assets of record.
The bank took your house because you failed to make payments as
promised. You filed bankruptcy twice to get out from under your personal
debts. You lie to us continuously about yourself and others.
I don't think there is a soul here who gives a **** about what you do,
think, or say.

===

Harry's a loser and he'd like nothing more than to create a whole
country full of leeches and losers just like him.

That's true but what could be his motives? That's the puzzler.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.



Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity. That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.



Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive loss of white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/11/15 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.



Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity. That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.



Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive loss of white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.


And once again, your opinion of what I think is completely wrong. You
should just give up on these "projections" of yours. I think for some
students, the pursuit of knowledge and the hope of making a contribution
to the bank of knowledge is purpose enough.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:58:51 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 10/11/2015 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 07:56:56 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

The Russians and the Chinese together are still spending on their
military only a small amount of what we spend. I'm not advocating that
we eliminate military spending, but I do think we should seriously cut
back on it each year until it is at a level that is no more than half of
what we currently spend.

You haven't spent a shekel of your re$ource$ on the military or social
and infrastucture needs of our country. You have no assets of record.
The bank took your house because you failed to make payments as
promised. You filed bankruptcy twice to get out from under your personal
debts. You lie to us continuously about yourself and others.
I don't think there is a soul here who gives a **** about what you do,
think, or say.

===

Harry's a loser and he'd like nothing more than to create a whole
country full of leeches and losers just like him.

That's true but what could be his motives? That's the puzzler.

===

Misery loves company?

Harry grew up surrounded by wealthy Connecticut WASP aristocracy. He
could never be a part of that or accepted, so he went off in search of
his inner entrepreneur and failed miserably.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:50:17 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 10/11/2015 10:19 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.

Really? What good has your fine education done you?

===

Becoming a world class educated fool is an accomplishment of sorts.
Unfortunately for harry it's not yet an Olympic sport or a Nobel prize
category.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:15:58 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.



Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity. That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.



Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive loss of white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.


And once again, your opinion of what I think is completely wrong. You
should just give up on these "projections" of yours. I think for some
students, the pursuit of knowledge and the hope of making a contribution
to the bank of knowledge is purpose enough.

It wasn't a projection. I was simply referencing your quote

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


In this economic climate, kids need the tools to find a job. They can
learn all about more esoteric things after they are gainfully employed
Their employer might even kick some money in if they can see the same
value in liberal arts as you do.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/12/2015 7:38 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/11/15 9:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:15:58 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be
spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.



Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before,
I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of
society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity. That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.



Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive loss of white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.


And once again, your opinion of what I think is completely wrong. You
should just give up on these "projections" of yours. I think for some
students, the pursuit of knowledge and the hope of making a contribution
to the bank of knowledge is purpose enough.

It wasn't a projection. I was simply referencing your quote

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I
think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


In this economic climate, kids need the tools to find a job. They can
learn all about more esoteric things after they are gainfully employed
Their employer might even kick some money in if they can see the same
value in liberal arts as you do.



Why don't we just leave it at the fact that you have no appreciation for
intellectual pursuits that don't produce significant amounts of money,
and that you believe rigorous thinking is an esoteric pursuit.

After all, what use have we for someone like Leonardo da Vinci and his
students?

Just have the drones line up for their jobs at The Corporation each
morning so they can produce their daily quota of widgets and widget ideas.

Try to stay focused. We're discussing you and the fine career you
developed as a result of your higher education as a liberal arts student.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/11/15 9:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:15:58 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.



Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity. That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.



Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive loss of white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.


And once again, your opinion of what I think is completely wrong. You
should just give up on these "projections" of yours. I think for some
students, the pursuit of knowledge and the hope of making a contribution
to the bank of knowledge is purpose enough.

It wasn't a projection. I was simply referencing your quote

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


In this economic climate, kids need the tools to find a job. They can
learn all about more esoteric things after they are gainfully employed
Their employer might even kick some money in if they can see the same
value in liberal arts as you do.



Why don't we just leave it at the fact that you have no appreciation for
intellectual pursuits that don't produce significant amounts of money,
and that you believe rigorous thinking is an esoteric pursuit.

After all, what use have we for someone like Leonardo da Vinci and his
students?

Just have the drones line up for their jobs at The Corporation each
morning so they can produce their daily quota of widgets and widget ideas.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:38:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 9:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:15:58 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.



Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity. That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.



Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive loss of white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.


And once again, your opinion of what I think is completely wrong. You
should just give up on these "projections" of yours. I think for some
students, the pursuit of knowledge and the hope of making a contribution
to the bank of knowledge is purpose enough.

It wasn't a projection. I was simply referencing your quote

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


In this economic climate, kids need the tools to find a job. They can
learn all about more esoteric things after they are gainfully employed
Their employer might even kick some money in if they can see the same
value in liberal arts as you do.



Why don't we just leave it at the fact that you have no appreciation for
intellectual pursuits that don't produce significant amounts of money,
and that you believe rigorous thinking is an esoteric pursuit.

After all, what use have we for someone like Leonardo da Vinci and his
students?

Just have the drones line up for their jobs at The Corporation each
morning so they can produce their daily quota of widgets and widget ideas.

I have pursued knowledge in all sorts of fields but it was after I was
able to feed myself. I know a lot of stuff about a lot of different
things and I am not afraid to try anything.

I didn't have the catholic church or rich parents to feed me.

These days, the idea that you need to pay someone tens of thousands of
dollars a year to learn something is ridiculous. there is so much
college level information on the internet that the only reason you
would go to a university would be to get that piece of paper, in hopes
that it would lead to that job making widgets.

If you simply seek the information for your own enlightenment, it is
free.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/12/15 10:17 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:38:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 9:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:15:58 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.



Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity. That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.



Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive loss of white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.


And once again, your opinion of what I think is completely wrong. You
should just give up on these "projections" of yours. I think for some
students, the pursuit of knowledge and the hope of making a contribution
to the bank of knowledge is purpose enough.

It wasn't a projection. I was simply referencing your quote

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


In this economic climate, kids need the tools to find a job. They can
learn all about more esoteric things after they are gainfully employed
Their employer might even kick some money in if they can see the same
value in liberal arts as you do.



Why don't we just leave it at the fact that you have no appreciation for
intellectual pursuits that don't produce significant amounts of money,
and that you believe rigorous thinking is an esoteric pursuit.

After all, what use have we for someone like Leonardo da Vinci and his
students?

Just have the drones line up for their jobs at The Corporation each
morning so they can produce their daily quota of widgets and widget ideas.

I have pursued knowledge in all sorts of fields but it was after I was
able to feed myself. I know a lot of stuff about a lot of different
things and I am not afraid to try anything.

I didn't have the catholic church or rich parents to feed me.

These days, the idea that you need to pay someone tens of thousands of
dollars a year to learn something is ridiculous. there is so much
college level information on the internet that the only reason you
would go to a university would be to get that piece of paper, in hopes
that it would lead to that job making widgets.

If you simply seek the information for your own enlightenment, it is
free.


You don't understand the college experience. It's not just "the
information," and, no, I am not referring to fraternity parties.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/12/15 10:17 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:38:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 9:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:15:58 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.



Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity. That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.



Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive loss of white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.


And once again, your opinion of what I think is completely wrong. You
should just give up on these "projections" of yours. I think for some
students, the pursuit of knowledge and the hope of making a contribution
to the bank of knowledge is purpose enough.

It wasn't a projection. I was simply referencing your quote

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


In this economic climate, kids need the tools to find a job. They can
learn all about more esoteric things after they are gainfully employed
Their employer might even kick some money in if they can see the same
value in liberal arts as you do.



Why don't we just leave it at the fact that you have no appreciation for
intellectual pursuits that don't produce significant amounts of money,
and that you believe rigorous thinking is an esoteric pursuit.

After all, what use have we for someone like Leonardo da Vinci and his
students?

Just have the drones line up for their jobs at The Corporation each
morning so they can produce their daily quota of widgets and widget ideas.

I have pursued knowledge in all sorts of fields but it was after I was
able to feed myself. I know a lot of stuff about a lot of different
things and I am not afraid to try anything.

I didn't have the catholic church or rich parents to feed me.

These days, the idea that you need to pay someone tens of thousands of
dollars a year to learn something is ridiculous. there is so much
college level information on the internet that the only reason you
would go to a university would be to get that piece of paper, in hopes
that it would lead to that job making widgets.

If you simply seek the information for your own enlightenment, it is
free.


You don't understand the college experience. It's not just "the
information," and, no, I am not referring to fraternity parties.


You want to learn esoteric facts for self worth, pay for that education.
If the rest of society is paying the bills, they should get a return on
those investments. I take classes these days for fun and to learn
something new. But why should the taxpayers pick up 80% of the cost of me
taking a guitar class? And way to much overhead in universities these
days, as well as the primary schools. Some university had Mexican Food Day
in e cafeteria, been doing it for years. Two students complained, as was
degrading to Mexicans. So the "Associate executive Vice President for
Student Affairs" apologized. First, tell the complainers to suck it up.
And if you have to have titles like that VP, you have way too many
administrators!

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/12/15 2:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/12/15 10:17 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:38:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 9:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:15:58 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.



Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity. That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.



Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive loss of white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.


And once again, your opinion of what I think is completely wrong. You
should just give up on these "projections" of yours. I think for some
students, the pursuit of knowledge and the hope of making a contribution
to the bank of knowledge is purpose enough.

It wasn't a projection. I was simply referencing your quote

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


In this economic climate, kids need the tools to find a job. They can
learn all about more esoteric things after they are gainfully employed
Their employer might even kick some money in if they can see the same
value in liberal arts as you do.



Why don't we just leave it at the fact that you have no appreciation for
intellectual pursuits that don't produce significant amounts of money,
and that you believe rigorous thinking is an esoteric pursuit.

After all, what use have we for someone like Leonardo da Vinci and his
students?

Just have the drones line up for their jobs at The Corporation each
morning so they can produce their daily quota of widgets and widget ideas.

I have pursued knowledge in all sorts of fields but it was after I was
able to feed myself. I know a lot of stuff about a lot of different
things and I am not afraid to try anything.

I didn't have the catholic church or rich parents to feed me.

These days, the idea that you need to pay someone tens of thousands of
dollars a year to learn something is ridiculous. there is so much
college level information on the internet that the only reason you
would go to a university would be to get that piece of paper, in hopes
that it would lead to that job making widgets.

If you simply seek the information for your own enlightenment, it is
free.


You don't understand the college experience. It's not just "the
information," and, no, I am not referring to fraternity parties.


You want to learn esoteric facts for self worth, pay for that education.
If the rest of society is paying the bills, they should get a return on
those investments. I take classes these days for fun and to learn
something new. But why should the taxpayers pick up 80% of the cost of me
taking a guitar class? And way to much overhead in universities these
days, as well as the primary schools. Some university had Mexican Food Day
in e cafeteria, been doing it for years. Two students complained, as was
degrading to Mexicans. So the "Associate executive Vice President for
Student Affairs" apologized. First, tell the complainers to suck it up.
And if you have to have titles like that VP, you have way too many
administrators!



"Esoteric facts for self worth..."

Hehehe.

Gotta love rec.bloats.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/12/2015 10:17 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:38:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 9:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:15:58 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.



Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity. That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.



Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive loss of white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.


And once again, your opinion of what I think is completely wrong. You
should just give up on these "projections" of yours. I think for some
students, the pursuit of knowledge and the hope of making a contribution
to the bank of knowledge is purpose enough.

It wasn't a projection. I was simply referencing your quote

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


In this economic climate, kids need the tools to find a job. They can
learn all about more esoteric things after they are gainfully employed
Their employer might even kick some money in if they can see the same
value in liberal arts as you do.



Why don't we just leave it at the fact that you have no appreciation for
intellectual pursuits that don't produce significant amounts of money,
and that you believe rigorous thinking is an esoteric pursuit.


Here again is an example of Harry's dishonesty. You alluded to the fact
that kids need an education in order to have the tools they need to find
(qualify) for a job.

Harry morphs that into earning "significant amounts" of money.

Nobody came close to saying any such thing.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/12/15 3:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/12/2015 10:17 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:38:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 9:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:15:58 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could
be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for
blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.



Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed
before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self
sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of
society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for
this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity.
That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.



Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive loss of
white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.


And once again, your opinion of what I think is completely wrong. You
should just give up on these "projections" of yours. I think for some
students, the pursuit of knowledge and the hope of making a
contribution
to the bank of knowledge is purpose enough.

It wasn't a projection. I was simply referencing your quote

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before,
I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


In this economic climate, kids need the tools to find a job. They can
learn all about more esoteric things after they are gainfully employed
Their employer might even kick some money in if they can see the same
value in liberal arts as you do.



Why don't we just leave it at the fact that you have no appreciation for
intellectual pursuits that don't produce significant amounts of money,
and that you believe rigorous thinking is an esoteric pursuit.


Here again is an example of Harry's dishonesty. You alluded to the fact
that kids need an education in order to have the tools they need to find
(qualify) for a job.

Harry morphs that into earning "significant amounts" of money.

Nobody came close to saying any such thing.




I was talking about intellectual pursuits...most of you see no need for
that...that a trade school education will suffice.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/12/15 2:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/12/15 10:17 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:38:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 9:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:15:58 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.



Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity. That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.



Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive loss of white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.


And once again, your opinion of what I think is completely wrong. You
should just give up on these "projections" of yours. I think for some
students, the pursuit of knowledge and the hope of making a contribution
to the bank of knowledge is purpose enough.

It wasn't a projection. I was simply referencing your quote

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


In this economic climate, kids need the tools to find a job. They can
learn all about more esoteric things after they are gainfully employed
Their employer might even kick some money in if they can see the same
value in liberal arts as you do.



Why don't we just leave it at the fact that you have no appreciation for
intellectual pursuits that don't produce significant amounts of money,
and that you believe rigorous thinking is an esoteric pursuit.

After all, what use have we for someone like Leonardo da Vinci and his
students?

Just have the drones line up for their jobs at The Corporation each
morning so they can produce their daily quota of widgets and widget ideas.

I have pursued knowledge in all sorts of fields but it was after I was
able to feed myself. I know a lot of stuff about a lot of different
things and I am not afraid to try anything.

I didn't have the catholic church or rich parents to feed me.

These days, the idea that you need to pay someone tens of thousands of
dollars a year to learn something is ridiculous. there is so much
college level information on the internet that the only reason you
would go to a university would be to get that piece of paper, in hopes
that it would lead to that job making widgets.

If you simply seek the information for your own enlightenment, it is
free.


You don't understand the college experience. It's not just "the
information," and, no, I am not referring to fraternity parties.


You want to learn esoteric facts for self worth, pay for that education.
If the rest of society is paying the bills, they should get a return on
those investments. I take classes these days for fun and to learn
something new. But why should the taxpayers pick up 80% of the cost of me
taking a guitar class? And way to much overhead in universities these
days, as well as the primary schools. Some university had Mexican Food Day
in e cafeteria, been doing it for years. Two students complained, as was
degrading to Mexicans. So the "Associate executive Vice President for
Student Affairs" apologized. First, tell the complainers to suck it up.
And if you have to have titles like that VP, you have way too many
administrators!



"Esoteric facts for self worth..."

Hehehe.

Gotta love rec.bloats.


And what I s wrong about not having the public pay for someone's desire the
learn some great Trivial Pursuit answers, while we end up paying them
welfare when they can not find a job playing Trivial Pursuit after they
graduate?

We can't do nuttin'...
 

On 10/12/15 4:14 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/12/15 2:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/12/15 10:17 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:38:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 9:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:15:58 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.



Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity. That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.



Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive loss of white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.


And once again, your opinion of what I think is completely wrong. You
should just give up on these "projections" of yours. I think for some
students, the pursuit of knowledge and the hope of making a contribution
to the bank of knowledge is purpose enough.

It wasn't a projection. I was simply referencing your quote

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


In this economic climate, kids need the tools to find a job. They can
learn all about more esoteric things after they are gainfully employed
Their employer might even kick some money in if they can see the same
value in liberal arts as you do.



Why don't we just leave it at the fact that you have no appreciation for
intellectual pursuits that don't produce significant amounts of money,
and that you believe rigorous thinking is an esoteric pursuit.

After all, what use have we for someone like Leonardo da Vinci and his
students?

Just have the drones line up for their jobs at The Corporation each
morning so they can produce their daily quota of widgets and widget ideas.

I have pursued knowledge in all sorts of fields but it was after I was
able to feed myself. I know a lot of stuff about a lot of different
things and I am not afraid to try anything.

I didn't have the catholic church or rich parents to feed me.

These days, the idea that you need to pay someone tens of thousands of
dollars a year to learn something is ridiculous. there is so much
college level information on the internet that the only reason you
would go to a university would be to get that piece of paper, in hopes
that it would lead to that job making widgets.

If you simply seek the information for your own enlightenment, it is
free.


You don't understand the college experience. It's not just "the
information," and, no, I am not referring to fraternity parties.


You want to learn esoteric facts for self worth, pay for that education.
If the rest of society is paying the bills, they should get a return on
those investments. I take classes these days for fun and to learn
something new. But why should the taxpayers pick up 80% of the cost of me
taking a guitar class? And way to much overhead in universities these
days, as well as the primary schools. Some university had Mexican Food Day
in e cafeteria, been doing it for years. Two students complained, as was
degrading to Mexicans. So the "Associate executive Vice President for
Student Affairs" apologized. First, tell the complainers to suck it up.
And if you have to have titles like that VP, you have way too many
administrators!



"Esoteric facts for self worth..."

Hehehe.

Gotta love rec.bloats.


And what I s wrong about not having the public pay for someone's desire the
learn some great Trivial Pursuit answers, while we end up paying them
welfare when they can not find a job playing Trivial Pursuit after they
graduate?



Hey, Bilious, if you think the answer is Trivial Pursuit, then you don't
understand the questions. Gotta love rec.bloats.

We can't do nuttin'...
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/12/15 3:47 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/12/2015 10:17 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 08:38:40 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 9:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:15:58 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 7:43 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 15:42:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 10/11/2015 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 11:19:16 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/11/15 10:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 08:27:37 -0400, Keyser Söze
g infrastructure.


I will give you half of that. I agree some of the money could
be spent
on infrastructure but you would be trading high tech jobs for
blue
collar construction jobs.
We wouldn't need as much of that education you are talking about.
You don't need a bachelors degree to run a loader.



Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed
before, I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


Education isn't a singular pursuit. Foremost is the need for an
education, professional or vocational, in order to be self
sufficient,
earn a living, provide for a family, be a contributing member of
society
and not be dependent on everyone else for survival. The need for
this
level of education is drilled into every kid's head at a young age.

Then there's education for pleasure and intellectual curiosity.
That's
secondary.

General liberal arts is a good example.



Harry thinks that in an economy where we have the lowest labor
participation rate since the end of WWII and the massive loss of
white
collar middle class jobs, that we need more people coming out of
college without any real marketable skills and a huge debt, simply
because they had a pursuit of higher learning.


And once again, your opinion of what I think is completely wrong. You
should just give up on these "projections" of yours. I think for some
students, the pursuit of knowledge and the hope of making a
contribution
to the bank of knowledge is purpose enough.

It wasn't a projection. I was simply referencing your quote

Education is a pursuit on its own...as we have discussed before,
I think
there is far more use for education than learning a trade.


In this economic climate, kids need the tools to find a job. They can
learn all about more esoteric things after they are gainfully employed
Their employer might even kick some money in if they can see the same
value in liberal arts as you do.



Why don't we just leave it at the fact that you have no appreciation for
intellectual pursuits that don't produce significant amounts of money,
and that you believe rigorous thinking is an esoteric pursuit.


Here again is an example of Harry's dishonesty. You alluded to the fact
that kids need an education in order to have the tools they need to find
(qualify) for a job.

Harry morphs that into earning "significant amounts" of money.

Nobody came close to saying any such thing.




I was talking about intellectual pursuits...most of you see no need for
that...that a trade school education will suffice.


So you are saying college will not suffice for job preparation? We are
saying a bunch of the degrees issued these days, have no use other than
wall paper, and to prove you spent years on some insignificant pursuit.