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Justan Olphart[_2_]

On 10/3/2015 8:52 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 07:06:30 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 10/3/2015 7:34 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.

Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...

If you love government so much, why don't you support it with your tax
dollars?

Best question I've seen all day long.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

I won't copy rite it so feel free to use it as often as you wish.

Justan Olphart[_2_]

On 10/3/2015 9:09 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 07:06:30 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 10/3/2015 7:34 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.

Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...

If you love government so much, why don't you support it with your tax
dollars?

===

Are you trying to damage poor widdle hairwee's self esteem?

He's not going to like that - might call you names and other widdle
kiddy tactics.

My guess is that Hairwee has no self esteem.
BTW "Hair Wee" fits him. The picture he showed us with his reflection in
the storm door that he just installed, showed that he is as bald as a
que ball on top with just an unkempt fringe if hair around the
perimeter. I have the photo if you want a copy.

Keyser SÃ¶ze

On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser SÃ¶ze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.

Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...

That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"

Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.

Mr. Luddite

On 10/3/2015 9:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 02:05:58 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/3/2015 12:59 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:52:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/2/2015 6:34 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:50:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/2/2015 1:24 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:23:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I agree and the criminal element of our society will always find a way
to get a gun and ammo. However, these mass shootings in schools are not
being done by people with criminal records. They are young for the most
part and obviously suffer from some anti-societal mental health issues.
Making it harder for them to get the supplies (ammo) they need may
help reduce the number of horrific mass shootings, especially in schools.

If the person does not have a record, how do you prevent them from
buying a gun or ammo?

Apparently you missed *all* of the criteria I proposed that leads to a
license. Lack of a criminal record is only one. A doctor's sign-off
as to physical and mental good health is another. The medical details
do not need to be divulged but, for example, if the doc knows the
applicant has a history of drug abuse or is under treatment/medication
for severe depression or whatever, he would just disqualify the applicant.

How would your regular doctor know you were under treatment for severe depression or
whatever? A psychiatrist can't divulge that info without some pretty stringent
requirements.

All your medical records (and I assume mental health records, if any)
are electronically stored and available for authorized people (docs) to
download and read.

Last time I visited my primary care physician he asked about the results
of a stress test I had taken two year prior. Before I could answer he
pulled up the results on his laptop in the exam office.

You had to sign a HIPPA authorization or he was breaking the law. It
was probably in that 15 page packet you fill out every time you go to
a different doctor.
How many people would sign a HIPPA release if they knew the
information was going to be a public record, as virtually any
government document is. (with the Snowden factor, they are all public
records)
The question becomes what ELSE would be affected by this?
Jobs, housing, credit?

If I was an employer I might be reluctant to hire a guy who the
government says can't be trusted with a gun because of mental
problems. I certainly wouldn't rent them an apartment. Too hard to
clean up the blood when they snap.

I have to admit that it's amazing to see how many reasons there
are that you "can't" do something with very little consideration
as to how maybe you "can". If enough thought and energy were
given to solving the problem as given to the reasons why you can't,
maybe some progress could be made.

Perhaps I just live in the real world where crazy people are a
protected class and you can't discriminate against them until they
kill someone. Then they still have more rights than they deserve. You
only have to look at the Holmes trial to see that.
This sombitch may never adequately pay for his crime.
The guy who shot Reagan is another example.

Maybe part of the solution is an honest debate and then action on
many issues that face our society, even if not directly related to
crimes conducted with guns. I know it's a very complex problem
and, short of banning private gun ownership completely, there is no
easy answer or one that will eliminate the possibility of some mentally
disturbed person going off the deep end. However, the frequency of
these occurrences (mass shootings) is very disturbing. To "get used
to it" as BOA advocates just doesn't make sense.

Califbill

Keyser SÃ¶ze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser SÃ¶ze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.

Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...

That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"

Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.

In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.

Justan Olphart[_2_]

On 10/3/2015 10:54 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:27:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all
of the
taxes and fees.

Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and,
while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government,
free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net
and no
public education system. Oh, wait...

That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier
with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"

Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.

In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a
drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.

Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

Learn to read. He said 'simple process'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Oh, I thought it was obvious that the DMV typically keeps lots of
records in lots of categories, and at DMV service centers, there
typically are lots of workers to handle the usually large influx of
people who come by for various services.

But, I forgot...you boys are right-wingers and therefore such is
difficult for you fellas to comprehend.

Like he said, and you reiterated. It's complicated.

Keyser SÃ¶ze

On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser SÃ¶ze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser SÃ¶ze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.

Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...

That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"

Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.

In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.

Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

Justan Olphart[_2_]

On 10/3/2015 11:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/3/2015 11:55 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:08:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

John, your side of the argument is well established. Enforcing existing
laws is certainly a step in the right direction but the
majority of the states don't have any laws to enforce.

If you only enforced the federal laws there would be plenty of jail
time for illegal gun buyers.
Most of the recent shooter they talk about on TV would still be able
to have the guns they used, even with all the things you suggest ...
or even what BAO suggests. It might just be a little more expensive
for them. Why do they care? They will be dead by the time the Visa
bill gets there.

If gun ownership was made very expensive by imposing taxes, liability
insurance requirements, etc. as BOA suggests, he'd be back here
within 6 months bitching that only the rich can afford to own guns.

You're right. It would take him that long to figure it out. :-)

Justan Olphart[_2_]

On 10/3/2015 11:21 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:01:39 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

Are there any federal laws prohibiting murder?

Only if you kill a federal employee or a national politician. (US
congress or VP/President)

By and large, murder is a state crime.

Good to know. If you commit murder you should quickly get to a non
extradition state. :-)

John H.[_5_]

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:27:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.

Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...

That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"

Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.

In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.

Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

Learn to read. He said 'simple process'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

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