On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.

On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.



Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:27:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.



Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

Learn to read. He said 'simple process'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 10/3/15 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:27:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.



Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

Learn to read. He said 'simple process'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!



Oh, I thought it was obvious that the DMV typically keeps lots of
records in lots of categories, and at DMV service centers, there
typically are lots of workers to handle the usually large influx of
people who come by for various services.

But, I forgot...you boys are right-wingers and therefore such is
difficult for you fellas to comprehend.

On 10/3/2015 10:54 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:27:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all
of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and,
while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government,
free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net
and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier
with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a
drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.



Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

Learn to read. He said 'simple process'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!



Oh, I thought it was obvious that the DMV typically keeps lots of
records in lots of categories, and at DMV service centers, there
typically are lots of workers to handle the usually large influx of
people who come by for various services.

But, I forgot...you boys are right-wingers and therefore such is
difficult for you fellas to comprehend.

Like he said, and you reiterated. It's complicated.

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:54:02 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:49 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:27:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.



Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

Learn to read. He said 'simple process'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!



Oh, I thought it was obvious that the DMV typically keeps lots of
records in lots of categories, and at DMV service centers, there
typically are lots of workers to handle the usually large influx of
people who come by for various services.

But, I forgot...you boys are right-wingers and therefore such is
difficult for you fellas to comprehend.

Perhaps thinking isn't your forte'.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:27:30 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.



Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?

I guess you just pay the dealer to do it. Otherwise it was an hour or
two waiting at DMV the last time I did a title in Maryland. When we
were flipping Harleys, I spent a lot of time at DMV.
Florida is a little better but they still recommend an appointment.
At least they are honest about it. "DMV" is the "tax collector".


As for the driver's license, you are right, it is only money.
My mother still had a valid license that arrived a week after she
died. She literally renewed it on her death bed. (renewal form mailed
in with a check)

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 11:20 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.


In California, you do not even have to be a legal resident to get a drivers
license. Why do we need such a huge empire for such a should be simple
process.



Gee, Bilious, I haven't found it anything other than simple to get or
renew a license or register a car or boat trailer. Why is the process
not simple for you?


Never said was complicated. Said why do we need such a huge empire for a
simple process.

On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:02:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 10:04 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 08:34:12 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/3/15 1:04 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 18:41:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

None of this is a big deal nor is it difficult or expensive.

Everything the government does is expensive.
It would be interesting to see exactly what the Mass budget is for
your permit program and how much is hidden in other budgets.

Bear in mind most states lose money at the DMV in spite of all of the
taxes and fees.



Well, hell, let's do away with the DMV and everything else, and, while
you are at it, pave your own damned roads.

Libertarianism...the idea that we should get rid of government and
replace it with billionaires. It's such a good concept that we can
easily produce a list of countries that have minimal government, free
trade, open borders, decriminalized drugs, no social safety net and no
public education system. Oh, wait...


That is as simplistic an answer as me saying you would be happier with
a soviet style government.

You certainly do not want to be modeling anything on the DMV solution
to anything.
It is simply taxation and bureaucracy with virtually no benefit.
That is BAOs solution to the "gun problem"



Right, because everyone knows there is no reason for the licensing of
auto drivers or the registration and titling of motor vehicles. Hell,
why insist that anyone in a profession be licensed, or that there be
standards for anything.

The "licensing" of drivers is a joke. What does proving that you could
parallel park a car when you were 16 have to do with your ability at
80?
Titling of cars gets pretty silly when the car gets old. Boats are
even sillier. I can understand that if you have $200,000 boat, it
might make sense to track ownership somehow.
When it is a 12' jon boat, maybe worth $200 it is just stupid.
The same thing is true of a 10 year old car.

I have said this before and I will repeat it. The whole process should
be handled by the insurance companies who have all of the skin in the
game and the computer systems to handle the processes nation wide.

If insurance companies issued tags and owned them, uninsured motorists
would quickly become a thing of the past. Bad drivers would be
identified and revoked quicker too. You wouldn't have people walking
around with licenses from 2 or 3 states.
The police would still have the same computer access they have now and
the databases would have a better chance of being right.