Trump Seals His Fate
 

On 9/30/15 5:40 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 17:03:55 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 15:49:29 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 9/30/15 3:46 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/30/15 2:51 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:29:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at 12:33:16 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/30/2015 12:09 PM, Boating All Out wrote:

That's how it'll be until the old 19th century
thinkers - like you - die out. And so be it.
I'm perfectly happy with that. Never had it so easy.
What, you worried about the "poor people?"
That's a laugh.


Good grief, you sound like as big of a jackass as harry.

Ask yourself ... honestly ... the famous question:

Is the USA (and the rest of the world for that matter) and their
respective citizens better off today than it was a decade ago?

Just on the domestic front:

Drug addiction, people on medication for depression, racial strife and
political polarization have never been so prevalent. Individual choices
have given way to "Common Core" concepts and federal mandates. State's
rights have diminished (love to see that subject challenged in the
Supreme Court) with the Federal government becoming more and more
intrusive and controlling while demonstrating how incompetent it is.

Yup, the "progressive" way is really working miracles as it continues to
infect and destroy traditional values and expectations.

Maybe some of the principles and values of 19th century thinkers should
be reconsidered. Time to wake up and say "enough is enough".

There is absolutely no doubt that the progressives have destroyed the
ideals that once made the USA a mighty and strong nation, both
internally and in the eyes of the rest of the world. We are well down
the path of becoming another Greece, and the liberals are too myopic to see that.

I just hope that, as a nation, we'll be able to see that and turn away
from the destructive path the liberals have put us on.

The SecDef, on TV right now, is making a total fool of himself and this
administration.
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Taking context lessons from Tim, eh?



Brain dead?



Oh, I understand why you wouldn't need context in a post...

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Harry, the self proclaimed master of abstract thinking, still can't
put two and two together.

Yup. He may be a master baiter, but I can't think of anything else he's mastered.
Hell, he's not even a good liar. Gets caught far too often.
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Ban idiots, not guns!



So, Luddite puts up a post about what is wrong with America, compared to
the glorious days of the past, and you respond with a whine about the
Secretary of Defense but with no context, your butt buddy w'hine chimes
in...oh, I get it...you flatliners are posting in code.

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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/30/2015 1:36 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article q8GdnTZmeYRXk5HLnZ2dnUU7-
, says...


Ask yourself ... honestly ... the famous question:

Is the USA (and the rest of the world for that matter) and their
respective citizens better off today than it was a decade ago?

Just on the domestic front:

Drug addiction, people on medication for depression, racial strife and
political polarization have never been so prevalent. Individual choices
have given way to "Common Core" concepts and federal mandates. State's
rights have diminished (love to see that subject challenged in the
Supreme Court) with the Federal government becoming more and more
intrusive and controlling while demonstrating how incompetent it is.

Yup, the "progressive" way is really working miracles as it
continues to
infect and destroy traditional values and expectations.

Maybe some of the principles and values of 19th century thinkers should
be reconsidered. Time to wake up and say "enough is enough".

Uh, no. I find this century improved over the last.
You're just getting old and inflexible.
Probably watching too much TV.



Nope. Sorry. I am staying pretty busy. How 'bout you?




Kevin is engineering something, of course.

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On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 11:09:12 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article kevn0bpvnq8s70ge7u3duafipok2btcis6@
4ax.com, says...


It wasn't even close. Maybe you should look at the abstracts of the 2
bills.


You mean like this one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Health_Care
_for_America_Act

It only proves you're wrong, but I already know that.

I love it when you guys post a link that says exactly the opposite of
your position.

From the wiki
referring to the house bill that was tossed in it's entirety
"The central changes that would have been made by the legislation, had
it been enacted, included the following:"

.... and goes on to list 2 pages of things the house bill had that were
not in the senate bill.

Do I really have to get the Thomas list of actions on the bill for you
guys AGAIN?
The first thing that happened after the bill was read into the senate
was it was totally replaced.
I trust the Library of Congress a lot more than a wiki writer who does
not understand how congress works.


I still ask, where is this "leadership"?
For the last 7 years, just about everything has come down to straight
party votes. That is not leadership, it is simply standing still and
letting party affiliation decide everything for you.

It took "leadership" and drive to get the Dems
together to pass the ACA, a monumental
accomplishment.

Leadership would have been to get some republicans on board.

They are just preaching to the choir.

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 06:35:35 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

Do I really have to get the Thomas list of actions on the bill for you
guys AGAIN?

Uh, who are "you guys?" Me and Wayne?

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I have no dog in this hunt.

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On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 07:41:57 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 06:35:35 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

Do I really have to get the Thomas list of actions on the bill for you
guys AGAIN?

Uh, who are "you guys?" Me and Wayne?

===

I have no dog in this hunt.

Remember, that's the guy who said ISIS was just a band of thugs.
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Ban idiots, not guns!

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On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:58:01 -0400, wrote:


You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.
FWIW, the hospital my brother was in, until yesterday, does use a triage approach. A
nurse sits with each arrival, takes vitals, listens to complaint, and decides where
the patient goes. Worked well when we took him in.
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On 10/1/15 12:08 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:58:01 -0400, wrote:


You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.
FWIW, the hospital my brother was in, until yesterday, does use a triage approach. A
nurse sits with each arrival, takes vitals, listens to complaint, and decides where
the patient goes. Worked well when we took him in.
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There's nothing unusual about that "nurse greeting" approach for
walk-ins. Our local hospital has used that approach for years.

I would go for pre-screening minor ER visits by former military
personnel who are at least registered nurses or, better, physician's
assistants. I first see a physician's assistant at my local medical
practice, and she is thorough.

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:16:17 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 10/1/15 12:08 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 11:58:01 -0400, wrote:


You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.
FWIW, the hospital my brother was in, until yesterday, does use a triage approach. A
nurse sits with each arrival, takes vitals, listens to complaint, and decides where
the patient goes. Worked well when we took him in.
--

There's nothing unusual about that "nurse greeting" approach for
walk-ins. Our local hospital has used that approach for years.

I would go for pre-screening minor ER visits by former military
personnel who are at least registered nurses or, better, physician's
assistants. I first see a physician's assistant at my local medical
practice, and she is thorough.

There you go. Another reason that Greg is right.

How was that Vietnam service, liar?
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Ban idiots, not guns!

Trump Seals His Fate
 

On 10/1/15 12:19 PM, John H. wrote:


How was that Vietnam service, liar?


How was your last Ku Klux Klan RV Jamboree, ****-for-brains?

Trump Seals His Fate
 

In article ,
says...


NO the major differences are to many to list. The wiki just hit a
couple dozen. The point I was making is it was an entirely DIFFERENT
bill that the senate substituted the same day the house bill was read
into the senate.
Pilosi did nothing but fall on her sword when the senate bill was sent
to the house.


Oh, I get it now. Commas. You're talking about commas, in
different places. The nicks and cuts on the skinned cat.
Whatever floats your boat.

You have not been reading much if you have not seen my ideas.
To start with, what was so wrong with the old system where hospitals
amortized the indigent bills into their operating cost? It is cheaper
than letting the government and the insurance companies do it. My main
complaint was that they were using specialized ER people to deal with
minor problems and my solution was a triage, outside he ER to separate
the non-emergency cases from the true emergencies. Then they could
shuttle them off to a cheaper walk in clinic on site. After a while
people would know to just go there first. That could be staffed with
vets who have medical skills we already paid for and the AMA will not
let them use.


Let me get this straight. Use "vets" to deliver health care.
Must be how they do they it everywhere else where less expensive
and better health care is delivered.
You are nuts.

My idea is to attack the cost of medical care, not to just create
another layer of bureaucracy like ACA and make the insurance companies
richer.


Somehow the rest of the world has solved the problem without
"vets." I suggest you look elsewhere for inspiration.
There's plenty of places that have gotten the problem in hand.


Too bad Joe Lieberman didn't join the choir.
Then we could get at the root of the problem, which is the
insurance industry, and exorbitant medical costs.

Your whole caucus was depending on Lieberman and nobody could change
his mind? It sounds like he was the only LEADER there.

Riiight. Leader of the insurance industry.
BTW, your "ideas" are why the GOP is kaput as "leaders."

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