In article qtljuadp2f0gp99jikqfe58pa3iprpngbo@
4ax.com, says...


It is as complex as any ambulance chasing lawyer wants to make it. The
fact is, the SCOTUS has invalidated the only federal law defining
marriage and now this court has invalidated the Kentucky statute,
along with those in many other states. (man/wonan is so entwined in
the language that it is hard to separate without legislation)
The only reason this has become a religious mater is because Ms Davis
wanted it to be. She did stop issuing ANY marriage licenses and she
was legally on sound footing if she chose to go that way

Legally sound? She's in jail.
The only "political" part is coming from her.

On 9/4/2015 4:49 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article qtljuadp2f0gp99jikqfe58pa3iprpngbo@
4ax.com, says...


It is as complex as any ambulance chasing lawyer wants to make it. The
fact is, the SCOTUS has invalidated the only federal law defining
marriage and now this court has invalidated the Kentucky statute,
along with those in many other states. (man/wonan is so entwined in
the language that it is hard to separate without legislation)
The only reason this has become a religious mater is because Ms Davis
wanted it to be. She did stop issuing ANY marriage licenses and she
was legally on sound footing if she chose to go that way

Legally sound? She's in jail.
The only "political" part is coming from her.



My wife and I lived in a rented apartment in Zion, Ill. for almost two
years in the early 70's. Zion was founded around 1905 by a very
religious guy who wanted to create a "Christian Utopia". No drinking,
smoking ... the original city council didn't even allow a doctor to set
up shop in the town because they believed in "divine healing".

Even when we lived there the town was still dry. No booze or beer could
be sold anywhere within the city limits.

I suppose if then were now, a federal judge could come along and order
the grocery stores to start carrying/selling beer and ordering the city
council to approve permits to open liquor stores.

In article o_KdnYh8h68cl3fInZ2dnUU7-
, says...


I suppose if then were now, a federal judge could come along and order
the grocery stores to start carrying/selling beer and ordering the city
council to approve permits to open liquor stores.

By the same token, the Feds may make sales of bologna
permissible only on Tuesdays.
But they won't, because neither beer or bologna sales
falls within the ambit of "civil rights."
You are free to make a case for them, however.

On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 18:44:36 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article o_KdnYh8h68cl3fInZ2dnUU7-
, says...


I suppose if then were now, a federal judge could come along and order
the grocery stores to start carrying/selling beer and ordering the city
council to approve permits to open liquor stores.

By the same token, the Feds may make sales of bologna
permissible only on Tuesdays.
But they won't, because neither beer or bologna sales
falls within the ambit of "civil rights."
You are free to make a case for them, however.

It certainly makes as much sense as using the 14th amendment as a
reason to give you the "right" to be thrown in federal prison for
possessing small amounts of pot (fact, that is the justification for
federal drug laws)

On 9/4/15 5:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/4/2015 4:49 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article qtljuadp2f0gp99jikqfe58pa3iprpngbo@
4ax.com, says...


It is as complex as any ambulance chasing lawyer wants to make it. The
fact is, the SCOTUS has invalidated the only federal law defining
marriage and now this court has invalidated the Kentucky statute,
along with those in many other states. (man/wonan is so entwined in
the language that it is hard to separate without legislation)
The only reason this has become a religious mater is because Ms Davis
wanted it to be. She did stop issuing ANY marriage licenses and she
was legally on sound footing if she chose to go that way

Legally sound? She's in jail.
The only "political" part is coming from her.



My wife and I lived in a rented apartment in Zion, Ill. for almost two
years in the early 70's. Zion was founded around 1905 by a very
religious guy who wanted to create a "Christian Utopia". No drinking,
smoking ... the original city council didn't even allow a doctor to set
up shop in the town because they believed in "divine healing".

Even when we lived there the town was still dry. No booze or beer could
be sold anywhere within the city limits.

I suppose if then were now, a federal judge could come along and order
the grocery stores to start carrying/selling beer and ordering the city
council to approve permits to open liquor stores.



How interesting. What part of the Constitution, Amendments, or civil
rights legislation would that fall under?

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/4/15 5:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/4/2015 4:49 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article qtljuadp2f0gp99jikqfe58pa3iprpngbo@
4ax.com, says...


It is as complex as any ambulance chasing lawyer wants to make it. The
fact is, the SCOTUS has invalidated the only federal law defining
marriage and now this court has invalidated the Kentucky statute,
along with those in many other states. (man/wonan is so entwined in
the language that it is hard to separate without legislation)
The only reason this has become a religious mater is because Ms Davis
wanted it to be. She did stop issuing ANY marriage licenses and she
was legally on sound footing if she chose to go that way

Legally sound? She's in jail.
The only "political" part is coming from her.



My wife and I lived in a rented apartment in Zion, Ill. for almost two
years in the early 70's. Zion was founded around 1905 by a very
religious guy who wanted to create a "Christian Utopia". No drinking,
smoking ... the original city council didn't even allow a doctor to set
up shop in the town because they believed in "divine healing".

Even when we lived there the town was still dry. No booze or beer could
be sold anywhere within the city limits.

I suppose if then were now, a federal judge could come along and order
the grocery stores to start carrying/selling beer and ordering the city
council to approve permits to open liquor stores.



How interesting. What part of the Constitution, Amendments, or civil
rights legislation would that fall under?

Equal rights.

On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 20:16:29 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

I suppose if then were now, a federal judge could come along and order
the grocery stores to start carrying/selling beer and ordering the city
council to approve permits to open liquor stores.



How interesting. What part of the Constitution, Amendments, or civil
rights legislation would that fall under?

Equal protection under the law from state to state and the full faith
and credit right. I am legally allowed to drink in Florida so I should
be able to drink in a dry county in some other fumbuck state.
Drinking is certainly as protected as homosexuality. (neither of which
are mentioned in the constitution and both are discouraged by some
religions)

On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 17:17:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 9/4/2015 4:49 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article qtljuadp2f0gp99jikqfe58pa3iprpngbo@
4ax.com, says...


It is as complex as any ambulance chasing lawyer wants to make it. The
fact is, the SCOTUS has invalidated the only federal law defining
marriage and now this court has invalidated the Kentucky statute,
along with those in many other states. (man/wonan is so entwined in
the language that it is hard to separate without legislation)
The only reason this has become a religious mater is because Ms Davis
wanted it to be. She did stop issuing ANY marriage licenses and she
was legally on sound footing if she chose to go that way

Legally sound? She's in jail.
The only "political" part is coming from her.



My wife and I lived in a rented apartment in Zion, Ill. for almost two
years in the early 70's. Zion was founded around 1905 by a very
religious guy who wanted to create a "Christian Utopia". No drinking,
smoking ... the original city council didn't even allow a doctor to set
up shop in the town because they believed in "divine healing".

Even when we lived there the town was still dry. No booze or beer could
be sold anywhere within the city limits.

I suppose if then were now, a federal judge could come along and order
the grocery stores to start carrying/selling beer and ordering the city
council to approve permits to open liquor stores.



.... or an abortion clinic. ;-)

On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:49:19 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article qtljuadp2f0gp99jikqfe58pa3iprpngbo@
4ax.com, says...


It is as complex as any ambulance chasing lawyer wants to make it. The
fact is, the SCOTUS has invalidated the only federal law defining
marriage and now this court has invalidated the Kentucky statute,
along with those in many other states. (man/wonan is so entwined in
the language that it is hard to separate without legislation)
The only reason this has become a religious mater is because Ms Davis
wanted it to be. She did stop issuing ANY marriage licenses and she
was legally on sound footing if she chose to go that way

Legally sound? She's in jail.
The only "political" part is coming from her.

Rosa Parks was in jail too, so what.

Her actions are religious, not political.
Unfortunately that makes it political.

I have heard from Dan Savage and Rachel but we haven't heard much
from lawyers. I still contend, the Ky marriage statute was over turned
and the legislature has not replaced it, so there is no law.
Same with DOMA.
The court does not write law, they just over turn law.

I wonder how long it will be before someone who wants to dump their
spouse, says the marriage in one of these states never legally existed
because the law was flawed at the time.