On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 18:44:36 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article o_KdnYh8h68cl3fInZ2dnUU7-
, says...


I suppose if then were now, a federal judge could come along and order
the grocery stores to start carrying/selling beer and ordering the city
council to approve permits to open liquor stores.

By the same token, the Feds may make sales of bologna
permissible only on Tuesdays.
But they won't, because neither beer or bologna sales
falls within the ambit of "civil rights."
You are free to make a case for them, however.

It certainly makes as much sense as using the 14th amendment as a
reason to give you the "right" to be thrown in federal prison for
possessing small amounts of pot (fact, that is the justification for
federal drug laws)

On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 20:16:29 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

I suppose if then were now, a federal judge could come along and order
the grocery stores to start carrying/selling beer and ordering the city
council to approve permits to open liquor stores.



How interesting. What part of the Constitution, Amendments, or civil
rights legislation would that fall under?

Equal protection under the law from state to state and the full faith
and credit right. I am legally allowed to drink in Florida so I should
be able to drink in a dry county in some other fumbuck state.
Drinking is certainly as protected as homosexuality. (neither of which
are mentioned in the constitution and both are discouraged by some
religions)

On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 20:51:26 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 9/4/15 8:45 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 16:02:10 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 9/4/15 3:56 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:28:24 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


You might want to read the Equal Protection Clause in the 14th
Amendment, among other documents.


It is interesting that the left is not willing to extend the full
faith and credit of concealed carry rights across state lines.


Oh? Is there a federal regulation that allows concealed carry rights
across state lines?

Is there a federal regulation on marriage?

Not since DOMA was tossed.

Next?


Specious.

Until you cite the federal law that even acknowledges gay marriage,
you have no ground to stand on.
The 14th amendment and the full faith and credit clause are saying any
state law should be honored in all states.
All the SCOTUS has done is say a law banning gay marriage is invalid,
they have not written the new law.

On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 20:50:45 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

The only humor I find in this is the clerk's marriage and pregnancy
history. It's quite colorful and demonstrates her hypocrisy about her
alleged religious beliefs.

That was before she was "saved" ;-)


That's one of the funniest things about christianity...marry four times,
have babies by a guy you are not married to at the time, but you marry
later, maybe, while you are still married to a different guy
and...voila, find Jesus and you are "saved." Heck, different
circumstances, but I'll bet Dick Cheney can be saved, too.

That is why the religion is attractive,. You can ask for forgiveness
on your death bed and be saved.


You mean, of course, delude yourself into thinking you are "saved."

You can't question this woman's faith if you ignore it's main tenet.
At that point you are just mocking all religion ... which you do.

In that regard, I have no faith in the government.
It is another thing you have to simply believe without actually seeing
any proof..

Today the DoD shut down operations at all military bio labs because
Anthrax got loose again. This is after the incident in May when they
were shipping it around the country improperly.

You really gotta have faith to trust these bureaucrats ;-)

On Sat, 05 Sep 2015 00:03:24 -0400, wrote:

You really gotta have faith to trust these bureaucrats ;-)

===

Most government workers that I've met have advanced degrees in
complacency and regard themselves as fireproof as long as they stick
to the letter of the rule book.

On Fri, 04 Sep 2015 21:21:23 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 20:51:26 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 9/4/15 8:45 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 16:02:10 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 9/4/15 3:56 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:28:24 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


You might want to read the Equal Protection Clause in the 14th
Amendment, among other documents.


It is interesting that the left is not willing to extend the full
faith and credit of concealed carry rights across state lines.


Oh? Is there a federal regulation that allows concealed carry rights
across state lines?

Is there a federal regulation on marriage?

Not since DOMA was tossed.

Next?


Specious.

Until you cite the federal law that even acknowledges gay marriage,
you have no ground to stand on.
The 14th amendment and the full faith and credit clause are saying any
state law should be honored in all states.
All the SCOTUS has done is say a law banning gay marriage is invalid,
they have not written the new law.

Looks like you put him to bed with that answer.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 9/5/15 12:03 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 20:50:45 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

The only humor I find in this is the clerk's marriage and pregnancy
history. It's quite colorful and demonstrates her hypocrisy about her
alleged religious beliefs.

That was before she was "saved" ;-)


That's one of the funniest things about christianity...marry four times,
have babies by a guy you are not married to at the time, but you marry
later, maybe, while you are still married to a different guy
and...voila, find Jesus and you are "saved." Heck, different
circumstances, but I'll bet Dick Cheney can be saved, too.

That is why the religion is attractive,. You can ask for forgiveness
on your death bed and be saved.


You mean, of course, delude yourself into thinking you are "saved."

You can't question this woman's faith if you ignore it's main tenet.
At that point you are just mocking all religion ... which you do.



Of course I can question her motivations *and* her faith. The tenet that
you can ask for forgiveness on your deathbed after a lifetime of
possibly horrific sins against your fellow man and have your religion
tell you you'll get it is way way up there on the chart of religious
absurdity. I wonder if Hitler "found Jesus" just before he put the
bullet in his head and was therefore "saved" and found his way into
heaven. Was he welcomed by Henry VIII?

That nonsense was written into the religion by men seeking to expand the
"faith," as was the nonsense about a better life after death, written in
to make the poor feel that their miserable lives on earth didn't matter
because, well, to expand the number of believers.

Millions of people believe that sort of bull****, but that doesn't mean
it is for real.

On 9/4/15 9:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 20:51:26 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 9/4/15 8:45 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 16:02:10 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 9/4/15 3:56 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:28:24 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


You might want to read the Equal Protection Clause in the 14th
Amendment, among other documents.


It is interesting that the left is not willing to extend the full
faith and credit of concealed carry rights across state lines.


Oh? Is there a federal regulation that allows concealed carry rights
across state lines?

Is there a federal regulation on marriage?

Not since DOMA was tossed.

Next?


Specious.

Until you cite the federal law that even acknowledges gay marriage,
you have no ground to stand on.
The 14th amendment and the full faith and credit clause are saying any
state law should be honored in all states.
All the SCOTUS has done is say a law banning gay marriage is invalid,
they have not written the new law.


By striking down laws against gay marriage, the Supreme Court has
expanded the interpretation of existing law. That's what the high court
does...it interprets, it affirms, it strikes down.

In Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, the high court overturned
Plessy v. Ferguson and struck down the concept of "separate but equal."
It didn't write a new law.

You righties seem to overlook the indisputable fact that the Kentucky
clerk was using her governmental office and thus the government to push
her religious beliefs.

On Sat, 5 Sep 2015 08:31:38 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 9/5/15 12:03 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 20:50:45 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

The only humor I find in this is the clerk's marriage and pregnancy
history. It's quite colorful and demonstrates her hypocrisy about her
alleged religious beliefs.

That was before she was "saved" ;-)


That's one of the funniest things about christianity...marry four times,
have babies by a guy you are not married to at the time, but you marry
later, maybe, while you are still married to a different guy
and...voila, find Jesus and you are "saved." Heck, different
circumstances, but I'll bet Dick Cheney can be saved, too.

That is why the religion is attractive,. You can ask for forgiveness
on your death bed and be saved.


You mean, of course, delude yourself into thinking you are "saved."

You can't question this woman's faith if you ignore it's main tenet.
At that point you are just mocking all religion ... which you do.



Of course I can question her motivations *and* her faith. The tenet that
you can ask for forgiveness on your deathbed after a lifetime of
possibly horrific sins against your fellow man and have your religion
tell you you'll get it is way way up there on the chart of religious
absurdity. I wonder if Hitler "found Jesus" just before he put the
bullet in his head and was therefore "saved" and found his way into
heaven. Was he welcomed by Henry VIII?

That nonsense was written into the religion by men seeking to expand the
"faith," as was the nonsense about a better life after death, written in
to make the poor feel that their miserable lives on earth didn't matter
because, well, to expand the number of believers.

Millions of people believe that sort of bull****, but that doesn't mean
it is for real.

Be sure and take any and every excuse to knock religion, Krause. Being a liar and tax
cheat is a much better way to go, right?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On Sat, 5 Sep 2015 08:51:56 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 9/4/15 9:21 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 20:51:26 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 9/4/15 8:45 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 16:02:10 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 9/4/15 3:56 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:28:24 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:


You might want to read the Equal Protection Clause in the 14th
Amendment, among other documents.


It is interesting that the left is not willing to extend the full
faith and credit of concealed carry rights across state lines.


Oh? Is there a federal regulation that allows concealed carry rights
across state lines?

Is there a federal regulation on marriage?

Not since DOMA was tossed.

Next?


Specious.

Until you cite the federal law that even acknowledges gay marriage,
you have no ground to stand on.
The 14th amendment and the full faith and credit clause are saying any
state law should be honored in all states.
All the SCOTUS has done is say a law banning gay marriage is invalid,
they have not written the new law.


By striking down laws against gay marriage, the Supreme Court has
expanded the interpretation of existing law. That's what the high court
does...it interprets, it affirms, it strikes down.

In Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, the high court overturned
Plessy v. Ferguson and struck down the concept of "separate but equal."
It didn't write a new law.

You righties seem to overlook the indisputable fact that the Kentucky
clerk was using her governmental office and thus the government to push
her religious beliefs.

Only because that is how she framed it.

It would have been a lot smarter to simply cite the law in Kentucky
and when that law was struck down she can easily say that without
guidance from the legislature, she has no authority to issue any
marriage licenses.
The SCOTUS nor the federal government can write Kentucky law, they can
only invalidate the existing one.