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On 9/4/2015 1:03 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 12:19:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:



Actually, it was an attempt by a christian ayatollah wannabe to exert
the "authority" of her religious beliefs over civil law. That's really
*not* the way it is supposed to be done in this country, yet. If you
want religious law imposed over civil matters, there's always Iran and
Afghanistan.


You are right in a way
It would have been just as easy for her to say she was simply hog tied
by the court when they threw out the law that regulates licenses and
she is waiting for guidance from the legislature before she can start
issuing licenses again.
Both sides were simply trying to advance an agenda.

It does bring up an interesting point. What is the federal standard
for what actually constitutes marriage? It is totally a state issue
and the states could have totally different standards.
This is even more confusing since they have thrown DOMA (1 U.S. Code §
7) out.
Basically if a state says you are "married", all of the other states
(and the feds) must recognize that and what that actually means is up
to the state. If the state statute is invalid, is anyone in that state
still married? Can anyone get married? Maybe not.

It is an interesting legal conundrum.

Life would be much simpler if we just pretended to be married like Harry
does. You can bet that Krause and Karen don't pay the marriage tax.
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On 9/4/15 5:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/4/2015 4:49 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article qtljuadp2f0gp99jikqfe58pa3iprpngbo@
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It is as complex as any ambulance chasing lawyer wants to make it. The
fact is, the SCOTUS has invalidated the only federal law defining
marriage and now this court has invalidated the Kentucky statute,
along with those in many other states. (man/wonan is so entwined in
the language that it is hard to separate without legislation)
The only reason this has become a religious mater is because Ms Davis
wanted it to be. She did stop issuing ANY marriage licenses and she
was legally on sound footing if she chose to go that way


Legally sound? She's in jail.
The only "political" part is coming from her.



My wife and I lived in a rented apartment in Zion, Ill. for almost two
years in the early 70's. Zion was founded around 1905 by a very
religious guy who wanted to create a "Christian Utopia". No drinking,
smoking ... the original city council didn't even allow a doctor to set
up shop in the town because they believed in "divine healing".

Even when we lived there the town was still dry. No booze or beer could
be sold anywhere within the city limits.

I suppose if then were now, a federal judge could come along and order
the grocery stores to start carrying/selling beer and ordering the city
council to approve permits to open liquor stores.



How interesting. What part of the Constitution, Amendments, or civil
rights legislation would that fall under?
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/4/15 5:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/4/2015 4:49 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article qtljuadp2f0gp99jikqfe58pa3iprpngbo@
4ax.com, says...


It is as complex as any ambulance chasing lawyer wants to make it. The
fact is, the SCOTUS has invalidated the only federal law defining
marriage and now this court has invalidated the Kentucky statute,
along with those in many other states. (man/wonan is so entwined in
the language that it is hard to separate without legislation)
The only reason this has become a religious mater is because Ms Davis
wanted it to be. She did stop issuing ANY marriage licenses and she
was legally on sound footing if she chose to go that way

Legally sound? She's in jail.
The only "political" part is coming from her.



My wife and I lived in a rented apartment in Zion, Ill. for almost two
years in the early 70's. Zion was founded around 1905 by a very
religious guy who wanted to create a "Christian Utopia". No drinking,
smoking ... the original city council didn't even allow a doctor to set
up shop in the town because they believed in "divine healing".

Even when we lived there the town was still dry. No booze or beer could
be sold anywhere within the city limits.

I suppose if then were now, a federal judge could come along and order
the grocery stores to start carrying/selling beer and ordering the city
council to approve permits to open liquor stores.



How interesting. What part of the Constitution, Amendments, or civil
rights legislation would that fall under?


Equal rights.
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On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 17:17:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
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On 9/4/2015 4:49 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article qtljuadp2f0gp99jikqfe58pa3iprpngbo@
4ax.com, says...


It is as complex as any ambulance chasing lawyer wants to make it. The
fact is, the SCOTUS has invalidated the only federal law defining
marriage and now this court has invalidated the Kentucky statute,
along with those in many other states. (man/wonan is so entwined in
the language that it is hard to separate without legislation)
The only reason this has become a religious mater is because Ms Davis
wanted it to be. She did stop issuing ANY marriage licenses and she
was legally on sound footing if she chose to go that way


Legally sound? She's in jail.
The only "political" part is coming from her.



My wife and I lived in a rented apartment in Zion, Ill. for almost two
years in the early 70's. Zion was founded around 1905 by a very
religious guy who wanted to create a "Christian Utopia". No drinking,
smoking ... the original city council didn't even allow a doctor to set
up shop in the town because they believed in "divine healing".

Even when we lived there the town was still dry. No booze or beer could
be sold anywhere within the city limits.

I suppose if then were now, a federal judge could come along and order
the grocery stores to start carrying/selling beer and ordering the city
council to approve permits to open liquor stores.



.... or an abortion clinic. ;-)
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