On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:


We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major
problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year
or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked.
There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas.
The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets
on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken
out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled.

If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the
tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced.

So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the
estimate for the mold removal.

But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the
Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going.

===

Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really
important to stay ahead of the mold issue.


For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during
one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon
enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and
have it razed.

One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The
roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on
the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the
double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward.
Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew
(who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs
and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet
rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was
all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let
everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately
we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it
can be a bitch to get rid of.

Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard
will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either
cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need
replacing.

This sucks.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not
have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood.

The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the
leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and
bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before
me spent on putting in the tile.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:


We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major
problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year
or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked.
There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas.
The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets
on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken
out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled.

If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the
tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced.

So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the
estimate for the mold removal.

But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the
Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going.

===

Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really
important to stay ahead of the mold issue.


For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during
one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon
enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and
have it razed.

One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The
roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on
the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the
double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward.
Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew
(who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs
and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet
rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was
all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let
everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately
we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it
can be a bitch to get rid of.

Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard
will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either
cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need
replacing.

This sucks.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not
have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood.

The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the
leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and
bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before
me spent on putting in the tile.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub
floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading?

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:36:23 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:


We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major
problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year
or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked.
There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas.
The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets
on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken
out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled.

If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the
tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced.

So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the
estimate for the mold removal.

But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the
Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going.

===

Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really
important to stay ahead of the mold issue.


For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during
one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon
enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and
have it razed.

One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The
roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on
the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the
double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward.
Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew
(who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs
and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet
rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was
all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let
everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately
we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it
can be a bitch to get rid of.

Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard
will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either
cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need
replacing.

This sucks.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not
have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood.

The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the
leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and
bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before
me spent on putting in the tile.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub
floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading?

There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer!
I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old.

Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the
plywood and the ceramic tile.

I hope Harry's disease isn't spreading. But, it could be.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 9/3/2015 12:57 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:36:23 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:


We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major
problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year
or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked.
There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas.
The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets
on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken
out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled.

If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the
tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced.

So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the
estimate for the mold removal.

But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the
Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going.

===

Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really
important to stay ahead of the mold issue.


For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during
one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon
enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and
have it razed.

One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The
roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on
the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the
double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward.
Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew
(who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs
and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet
rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was
all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let
everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately
we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it
can be a bitch to get rid of.

Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard
will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either
cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need
replacing.

This sucks.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not
have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood.

The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the
leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and
bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before
me spent on putting in the tile.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub
floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading?

There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer!
I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old.

Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the
plywood and the ceramic tile.

I hope Harry's disease isn't spreading. But, it could be.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Apparently, "we" don't know the proper terms for the various flooring
components. Greg could help us out with that. My understanding is that
with sheet or tile flooring there is an intermediate floor laid for
purposes of strength, stability, and seam reinforcing.
Good luck with the project.

We have a concrete slab. Concrete cracks. About 3 years ago we got tired
of replacing cracked ceramic tiles, periodically. We removed all the
tile and carpet and had the slab properly prepared to receive good
quality porcelain tiles. Haven't had a single tile crack since. Knock on
wood.

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 12:30:14 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 12:57 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:36:23 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:


We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major
problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year
or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked.
There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas.
The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets
on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken
out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled.

If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the
tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced.

So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the
estimate for the mold removal.

But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the
Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going.

===

Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really
important to stay ahead of the mold issue.


For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during
one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon
enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and
have it razed.

One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The
roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on
the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the
double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward.
Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew
(who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs
and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet
rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was
all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let
everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately
we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it
can be a bitch to get rid of.

Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard
will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either
cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need
replacing.

This sucks.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not
have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood.

The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the
leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and
bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before
me spent on putting in the tile.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub
floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading?

There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer!
I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old.

Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the
plywood and the ceramic tile.

I hope Harry's disease isn't spreading. But, it could be.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Apparently, "we" don't know the proper terms for the various flooring
components. Greg could help us out with that. My understanding is that
with sheet or tile flooring there is an intermediate floor laid for
purposes of strength, stability, and seam reinforcing.
Good luck with the project.

I think the intermediate floor material, if any, is a function of the money invested
in the tile floor. The mitigation technician (his words, not mine) said he's seen
ceramic tile glued to linoleum.

We have a concrete slab. Concrete cracks. About 3 years ago we got tired
of replacing cracked ceramic tiles, periodically. We removed all the
tile and carpet and had the slab properly prepared to receive good
quality porcelain tiles. Haven't had a single tile crack since. Knock on
wood.

That sounds like something worth looking into. Are porcelain tiles much more
expensive? I'd probably have to pay the difference in cost of tiles.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 12:30:14 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 12:57 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:36:23 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:


We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last.
It has become a major
problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some
time, maybe a year
or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked.
There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen
around the same areas.
The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with
the kitchen cabinets
on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter
will have to be taken
out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled.

If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold.
If the mold under the
tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced.

So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the
estimate for the mold removal.

But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the
Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going.

===

Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really
important to stay ahead of the mold issue.


For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during
one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon
enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and
have it razed.

One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The
roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on
the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the
double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward.
Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew
(who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs
and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet
rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was
all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let
everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately
we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it
can be a bitch to get rid of.

Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard
will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either
cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need
replacing.

This sucks.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not
have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood.

The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the
leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and
bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before
me spent on putting in the tile.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub
floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading?

There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer!
I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old.

Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the
plywood and the ceramic tile.

I hope Harry's disease isn't spreading. But, it could be.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Apparently, "we" don't know the proper terms for the various flooring
components. Greg could help us out with that. My understanding is that
with sheet or tile flooring there is an intermediate floor laid for
purposes of strength, stability, and seam reinforcing.
Good luck with the project.

I think the intermediate floor material, if any, is a function of the money invested
in the tile floor. The mitigation technician (his words, not mine) said he's seen
ceramic tile glued to linoleum.

We have a concrete slab. Concrete cracks. About 3 years ago we got tired
of replacing cracked ceramic tiles, periodically. We removed all the
tile and carpet and had the slab properly prepared to receive good
quality porcelain tiles. Haven't had a single tile crack since. Knock on
wood.

That sounds like something worth looking into. Are porcelain tiles much more
expensive? I'd probably have to pay the difference in cost of tiles.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Probably not the tile, but the prep and installation. Do not thin set to
the concrete floor, but to a floating underlayment.

On 9/3/2015 3:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 12:30:14 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 12:57 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:36:23 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:


We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major
problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year
or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked.
There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas.
The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets
on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken
out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled.

If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the
tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced.

So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the
estimate for the mold removal.

But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the
Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going.

===

Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really
important to stay ahead of the mold issue.


For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during
one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon
enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and
have it razed.

One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The
roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on
the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the
double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward.
Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew
(who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs
and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet
rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was
all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let
everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately
we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it
can be a bitch to get rid of.

Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard
will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either
cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need
replacing.

This sucks.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not
have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood.

The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the
leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and
bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before
me spent on putting in the tile.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub
floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading?

There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer!
I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old.

Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the
plywood and the ceramic tile.

I hope Harry's disease isn't spreading. But, it could be.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Apparently, "we" don't know the proper terms for the various flooring
components. Greg could help us out with that. My understanding is that
with sheet or tile flooring there is an intermediate floor laid for
purposes of strength, stability, and seam reinforcing.
Good luck with the project.

I think the intermediate floor material, if any, is a function of the money invested
in the tile floor. The mitigation technician (his words, not mine) said he's seen
ceramic tile glued to linoleum.

We have a concrete slab. Concrete cracks. About 3 years ago we got tired
of replacing cracked ceramic tiles, periodically. We removed all the
tile and carpet and had the slab properly prepared to receive good
quality porcelain tiles. Haven't had a single tile crack since. Knock on
wood.

That sounds like something worth looking into. Are porcelain tiles much more
expensive? I'd probably have to pay the difference in cost of tiles.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Ours was about $7 per SF. Labor is what cost you.

On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 15:30:26 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 3:35 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 12:30:14 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 12:57 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:36:23 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:


We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major
problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year
or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked.
There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas.
The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets
on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken
out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled.

If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the
tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced.

So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the
estimate for the mold removal.

But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the
Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going.

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Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really
important to stay ahead of the mold issue.


For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during
one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon
enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and
have it razed.

One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The
roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on
the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the
double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward.
Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew
(who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs
and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet
rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was
all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let
everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately
we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it
can be a bitch to get rid of.

Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard
will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either
cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need
replacing.

This sucks.
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Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not
have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood.

The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the
leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and
bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before
me spent on putting in the tile.
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Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub
floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading?

There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer!
I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old.

Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the
plywood and the ceramic tile.

I hope Harry's disease isn't spreading. But, it could be.
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Apparently, "we" don't know the proper terms for the various flooring
components. Greg could help us out with that. My understanding is that
with sheet or tile flooring there is an intermediate floor laid for
purposes of strength, stability, and seam reinforcing.
Good luck with the project.

I think the intermediate floor material, if any, is a function of the money invested
in the tile floor. The mitigation technician (his words, not mine) said he's seen
ceramic tile glued to linoleum.

We have a concrete slab. Concrete cracks. About 3 years ago we got tired
of replacing cracked ceramic tiles, periodically. We removed all the
tile and carpet and had the slab properly prepared to receive good
quality porcelain tiles. Haven't had a single tile crack since. Knock on
wood.

That sounds like something worth looking into. Are porcelain tiles much more
expensive? I'd probably have to pay the difference in cost of tiles.
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Ours was about $7 per SF. Labor is what cost you.

In my case the labor will be free...except for the deductible.
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 15:35:50 -0400, John H.
wrote:

That sounds like something worth looking into. Are porcelain tiles much more
expensive? I'd probably have to pay the difference in cost of tiles.

You might want to buy the tile yourself if you have tile outlets
around that sell odd lots. That is where the bargains are. Porcelain
tile is harder as a general rule. It puts up with more abuse.

This is Lea and it lived through a serious remodel. It is over
linoleum.

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...the%20tile.jpg

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi...the%20slab.jpg

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/addi..._the_block.jpg

On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:57:28 -0400, John H.
wrote:


There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer!
I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old.

Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the
plywood and the ceramic tile.


Typically you will actually have 2 layers of plywood or plywood and
backer if you are laying tile and these days they may also use a
membrane that will isolate the tile from the wood.
They even use a membrane on tile over concrete if the concrete is
green. That is mostly because they are not sure if the concrete is
going to crack. (mostly a function of the "build it fast" mentality)
I had terrazzo on my floor that was pristine 40 years later so we
trusted the floor.
You can also use "flex" mortar but it is about $15 a bag more than
regular thin set.
It is all I use because mortar is the cheapest thing you buy.
The only down side is it sticks too good. You are not getting that
tile back up if you chip one..