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On 9/3/2015 12:57 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:36:23 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading? There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer! I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old. Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the plywood and the ceramic tile. I hope Harry's disease isn't spreading. But, it could be. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Apparently, "we" don't know the proper terms for the various flooring components. Greg could help us out with that. My understanding is that with sheet or tile flooring there is an intermediate floor laid for purposes of strength, stability, and seam reinforcing. Good luck with the project. We have a concrete slab. Concrete cracks. About 3 years ago we got tired of replacing cracked ceramic tiles, periodically. We removed all the tile and carpet and had the slab properly prepared to receive good quality porcelain tiles. Haven't had a single tile crack since. Knock on wood. |
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John H. wrote:
We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Good luck on the insurance. Lots of long term leaks are not covered. Only covers burst pipes, etc. |
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On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:36:23 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 9/3/2015 12:24 PM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Silly boy! I was referring to the base floor under the the kitchen sub floor. Is the Harry "cant read" disease spreading? There is a big difference between a 'combat' engineer and a 'construction' engineer! I read 'base floor' as 'basement floor'. Keep in mind that I'm getting pretty old. Above the joists is plywood. I don't know if any 'backerboard' was used between the plywood and the ceramic tile. I hope Harry's disease isn't spreading. But, it could be. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:29:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:23:58 -0400, wrote: That is somewhat unusual up there where you have good water but people in the Cape around Wayne's place have had a lot of serious pin holing problems in copper pipe. === We turn off our water when we're away for any length of time but still had our copper replaced with PVC after having one pinhole develop. The plumbers around here do a lively business with PVC replacement and they get to keep the copper as part of the deal. The theory du jour is that the RO treatment plant changes the PH level of the water just enough to make it corrosive. I never believed it until it happened to us. I had turned our water off when we went to the Shenandoah park. When I returned there was another puddle on the basement floor. As it turns out, the main shutoff valve has a leak in it. That leak allowed the pressure to build up and the pin hole to start squirting again. The leak is slow, and the plumber says it's not worth replacing the valve. The moral of the story is to shut off the valve but leave a low faucet on so the pressure will not build if the valve leaks. It took only 71 years for me to learn that. Amazing. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:31:54 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:
John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Good luck on the insurance. Lots of long term leaks are not covered. Only covers burst pipes, etc. The leak is covered, and I'm already getting a check for the plumber's work. The mold mitigation folks feel the mold will be covered because the moldy area is still wet and in close proximity to the leak. I *am* keeping my fingers crossed. -- Ban idiots, not guns! |
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On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:24:09 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:38:21 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 9/3/2015 10:24 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 3 Sep 2015 09:21:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 9/3/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 07:27:00 -0400, John H. wrote: We came home to a puddle in the basement the week before last. It has become a major problem. Apparently a pinhole leak has been going for quite some time, maybe a year or more. The sheetrock walls between the kitchen and powder room have been soaked. There is also a lot of moisture under the tiles in the kitchen around the same areas. The wall covering (sheetrock) will have to come down, along with the kitchen cabinets on that side. Plus, the tile floor and tile above the counter will have to be taken out. The entire kitchen floor will be retiled. If that wasn't enough, the leak has also caused a lot of mold. If the mold under the tile cannot be cleaned, then the subfloor will also have to be replaced. So, that's where things stand now. We're waiting on the insurance to approve the estimate for the mold removal. But, the trip to Shenandoah River State Park was a blast. Floating down the Shenandoah on a tube has got to be one of the most relaxing activities going. === Bad news John, sorry to hear that. Is it a pipe leak? It's really important to stay ahead of the mold issue. For sure. One of our neighbors in Florida had a major roof leak during one of the hurricanes and they didn't address the water damage soon enough. Mold set in and they ended up having to abandon the house and have it razed. One of our houses also had some serious water damage to the inside. The roof didn't leak but the wind blew the main entry double doors open on the first floor (they opened inward) and then all the rest of the double doors on the first and second floor were blown open outward. Wind swept rain throughout the house resulted. Fortunately, my nephew (who is a contractor) was there and he immediately ripped up the rugs and any wet floorboards on the second story and cutout any wet sheet rock sections that he found throughout the house. The first floor was all tile on a concrete slab, so no floor damage was done there. He let everything dry out and then replaced the affected sections. Fortunately we didn't have any mold issues. I understand that once it starts, it can be a bitch to get rid of. Well, I'll let you know. It has most definitely started. The big question is how hard will it be to get off the subfloor under the tiles. If it can be dried and either cleaned or sanded off, then that will be done. Otherwise the whole floor will need replacing. This sucks. -- Ban idiots, not guns! Does your house have a basement? If so, the wetness and mold may not have traveled too far assuming your base floor is planks and not plywood. The basement has a concrete floor. No mold there. The mold is in the walls under the leak and, most likely, in the material under the ceramic tile in the kitchen and bath. I'm not sure what that material is, depends on how much money the folks before me spent on putting in the tile. Mold may be a little over hyped. If you live in a place like Florida, mold is just a fact of life and I seem to remember it being pretty hot and humid in DC too. I bet your weather reports list mold and pollen counts in the air. All that said, you should mitigate the mold and remove the moisture wherever possible but don't go nuts trying to get the last .01% There is a spray that kills mold on the wood (not bleach) and removal of any damaged wood should be done. There is a chance that you can pop up the tile and save it but chances are you will be buying tile. Labor is going to be at least as much as the tile unless you do it yourself. If you are willing to tackle it, check out the tile outlet stores for odd lots, Most of the time you do not need a whole pallet of tile so finding a small batch is all you need. When we did our new bathroom, we were able to get premium grade tile cheaper than the cheap crap at Home Depot. |
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