On 8/26/2015 2:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:46:26 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:18:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Public Policy Polling released new survey results this morning out of
New Hampshire, the nation’s first primary state.

1. Donald Trump: 35%
2. John Kasich: 11%
3. Carly Fiorina: 10%
4. Jeb Bush: 7%
4. Scott Walker: 7%
6. Ben Carson: 6%

Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio each have 4% support in the
poll, while Rand Paul is now in 10th place with 3%.

Note, Jeb Bush has long been seen as the likely frontrunner in the
Granite State, but if PPP is correct, at this point, Trump’s support in
New Hampshire is now five times greater than the former governor’s.
Adding insult to injury, only 38% of GOP primary voters in the state
have a favorable opinion of Bush, while 41% have a negative impression.

Trump’s 35% is the strongest showing of any Republican in any New
Hampshire poll this year. His New Hampshire support, at least for now,
is roughly equivalent to the support for Bush, Walker, and Rubio
combined – times two.

Also this morning, a new Monmouth poll is out, showing the Republicans’
standing in South Carolina, the nation’s second primary state. Maybe it
will offer better news for the GOP establishment waiting for Trump Mania
to end? Maybe not.

1. Donald Trump: 30%
2. Ben Carson: 15%
3. Jeb Bush: 9%
4. Marco Rubio: 6%
4. Carly Fiorina: 6%
6. Ted Cruz: 5%

Scott Walker and Lindsey Graham are tied for seventh place in the poll
with 4% each. Note, this is Graham’s home state.

What’s especially striking about Trump’s support is how broad it is: he
leads among South Carolina Republicans who describe themselves as “very
conservative,� “somewhat conservative,� and “moderate to liberal.�
Despite his general secularism, the New York real-estate developer also
leads among evangelical Christians, picking up 33% of their support.

- - -

Swiped from MSNBC site.

The Donald. Love it. And Jebbie is sliding down the pole into the abyss.

The scary thing is he is closing on Hillary too. CNN has them within 6
points which is close to the margin of error.


He isn't going to beat Hillary if he gets the nod. If I got a call from
a polling group asking me who I'd want to be the GOP nominee, I'd
say...Trump, of course.

I am still not sure Hillary is going to be running by next summer but
Trump is looking frighteningly stronger than I would expect.
He has a year to work on his image and put together a group to tune
his foreign policy platform to something a bit more realistic.
These guys are all basically just who the people hire are.

Considering some of the slugs who have been president, he may not be
the worst, even in my lifetime.

I still doubt I would ever vote for him. If it came down to Hillary or
Trump, I might leave it blank or vote for someone who won't win.
(pretty much the same thing)



Trump has peaked IMO. His message is already getting old. I think his
popularity has simply been a venting of frustration by many Republicans,
some Democrats and Independents. His candidacy has been entertainment
so far but basically people can't accept his ego and ideas that have no
basis in reality.

Big question is if Hillary survives the email thing or her general
"untrustworthy" reputation. If she pulls out (probably with a health
excuse) it's a new ballgame. Biden will enter the race, likely with
Warren as his running mate. Jeb will likely rise to the top as the
Republican frontrunner. That could produce a close election.

On 8/26/15 6:51 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/26/2015 2:30 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:46:26 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 4:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:18:52 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Public Policy Polling released new survey results this morning out of
New Hampshire, the nation’s first primary state.

1. Donald Trump: 35%
2. John Kasich: 11%
3. Carly Fiorina: 10%
4. Jeb Bush: 7%
4. Scott Walker: 7%
6. Ben Carson: 6%

Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio each have 4% support in the
poll, while Rand Paul is now in 10th place with 3%.

Note, Jeb Bush has long been seen as the likely frontrunner in the
Granite State, but if PPP is correct, at this point, Trump’s
support in
New Hampshire is now five times greater than the former governor’s.
Adding insult to injury, only 38% of GOP primary voters in the state
have a favorable opinion of Bush, while 41% have a negative
impression.

Trump’s 35% is the strongest showing of any Republican in any New
Hampshire poll this year. His New Hampshire support, at least for now,
is roughly equivalent to the support for Bush, Walker, and Rubio
combined – times two.

Also this morning, a new Monmouth poll is out, showing the
Republicans’
standing in South Carolina, the nation’s second primary state.
Maybe it
will offer better news for the GOP establishment waiting for Trump
Mania
to end? Maybe not.

1. Donald Trump: 30%
2. Ben Carson: 15%
3. Jeb Bush: 9%
4. Marco Rubio: 6%
4. Carly Fiorina: 6%
6. Ted Cruz: 5%

Scott Walker and Lindsey Graham are tied for seventh place in the poll
with 4% each. Note, this is Graham’s home state.

What’s especially striking about Trump’s support is how broad it
is: he
leads among South Carolina Republicans who describe themselves as
“very
conservative,� “somewhat conservative,� and “moderate to liberal.�
Despite his general secularism, the New York real-estate developer
also
leads among evangelical Christians, picking up 33% of their support.

- - -

Swiped from MSNBC site.

The Donald. Love it. And Jebbie is sliding down the pole into the
abyss.

The scary thing is he is closing on Hillary too. CNN has them within 6
points which is close to the margin of error.


He isn't going to beat Hillary if he gets the nod. If I got a call from
a polling group asking me who I'd want to be the GOP nominee, I'd
say...Trump, of course.

I am still not sure Hillary is going to be running by next summer but
Trump is looking frighteningly stronger than I would expect.
He has a year to work on his image and put together a group to tune
his foreign policy platform to something a bit more realistic.
These guys are all basically just who the people hire are.

Considering some of the slugs who have been president, he may not be
the worst, even in my lifetime.

I still doubt I would ever vote for him. If it came down to Hillary or
Trump, I might leave it blank or vote for someone who won't win.
(pretty much the same thing)



Trump has peaked IMO. His message is already getting old. I think his
popularity has simply been a venting of frustration by many Republicans,
some Democrats and Independents. His candidacy has been entertainment
so far but basically people can't accept his ego and ideas that have no
basis in reality.

Big question is if Hillary survives the email thing or her general
"untrustworthy" reputation. If she pulls out (probably with a health
excuse) it's a new ballgame. Biden will enter the race, likely with
Warren as his running mate. Jeb will likely rise to the top as the
Republican frontrunner. That could produce a close election.






Jeb will rise to the top...of the Republican dung heap?

Jeb can't figure out what to say and what not to say.

wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:22:00 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:15:54 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 4:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
Califbill billnews wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Public Policy Polling released new survey results this morning out of New
Hampshire, the nation’s first primary state.

1. Donald Trump: 35%
2. John Kasich: 11%
3. Carly Fiorina: 10%
4. Jeb Bush: 7%
4. Scott Walker: 7%
6. Ben Carson: 6%

Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio each have 4% support in the
poll, while Rand Paul is now in 10th place with 3%.

Note, Jeb Bush has long been seen as the likely frontrunner in the
Granite State, but if PPP is correct, at this point, Trump’s support in
New Hampshire is now five times greater than the former governor’s.
Adding insult to injury, only 38% of GOP primary voters in the state have
a favorable opinion of Bush, while 41% have a negative impression.

Trump’s 35% is the strongest showing of any Republican in any New
Hampshire poll this year. His New Hampshire support, at least for now, is
roughly equivalent to the support for Bush, Walker, and Rubio combined – times two.

Also this morning, a new Monmouth poll is out, showing the Republicans’
standing in South Carolina, the nation’s second primary state. Maybe it
will offer better news for the GOP establishment waiting for Trump
Mania to end? Maybe not.

1. Donald Trump: 30%
2. Ben Carson: 15%
3. Jeb Bush: 9%
4. Marco Rubio: 6%
4. Carly Fiorina: 6%
6. Ted Cruz: 5%

Scott Walker and Lindsey Graham are tied for seventh place in the poll
with 4% each. Note, this is Graham’s home state.

What’s especially striking about Trump’s support is how broad it is: he
leads among South Carolina Republicans who describe themselves as “very
conservative,� “somewhat conservative,� and “moderate to liberal.�
Despite his general secularism, the New York real-estate developer also
leads among evangelical Christians, picking up 33% of their support.

- - -

Swiped from MSNBC site.

The Donald. Love it. And Jebbie is sliding down the pole into the abyss.

Means Trump is saying what people want to hear. Not the babble most of the
others, both parties, are expounding.


It means that a huge percentage of Republicans like the racist,
misogynist, name-calling in which Trump engages. I agree that he is just
perfect for today's GOP, but decent Republicans like Bob Dole or Gerry
Ford wouldn't tolerate Trump's ugly behavior.

I very much it is just Republicans agreeing with Trump. Would be
interesting to see a poll as to Democrats picking Trump over the Dem field.

I see a Washington Examiner article that's says 19% of Dems would vote for
Trump.



Yeah, I'll bet you do. And wait until Trump picks Josh Duggar as his
running mate, eh?

More likely Rubio or Kasisch

What about Carly. Now the women's vote, unless Biden-warran.

Not much of a Carly fan. She ran a division of Lucent when it was on
autopilot during the tech boom and when she actually had a challenge
at HP, she screwed it up.

Not a Carly fan either. But also not a Trump or HRC fan. Heck, toss all
and start over. But still makes a nasty ticket for Hillary or Biden to go
against.

On 8/26/15 12:29 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:22:00 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:15:54 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 4:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
Califbill billnews wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Public Policy Polling released new survey results this morning out of New
Hampshire, the nation’s first primary state.

1. Donald Trump: 35%
2. John Kasich: 11%
3. Carly Fiorina: 10%
4. Jeb Bush: 7%
4. Scott Walker: 7%
6. Ben Carson: 6%

Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio each have 4% support in the
poll, while Rand Paul is now in 10th place with 3%.

Note, Jeb Bush has long been seen as the likely frontrunner in the
Granite State, but if PPP is correct, at this point, Trump’s support in
New Hampshire is now five times greater than the former governor’s.
Adding insult to injury, only 38% of GOP primary voters in the state have
a favorable opinion of Bush, while 41% have a negative impression.

Trump’s 35% is the strongest showing of any Republican in any New
Hampshire poll this year. His New Hampshire support, at least for now, is
roughly equivalent to the support for Bush, Walker, and Rubio combined – times two.

Also this morning, a new Monmouth poll is out, showing the Republicans’
standing in South Carolina, the nation’s second primary state. Maybe it
will offer better news for the GOP establishment waiting for Trump
Mania to end? Maybe not.

1. Donald Trump: 30%
2. Ben Carson: 15%
3. Jeb Bush: 9%
4. Marco Rubio: 6%
4. Carly Fiorina: 6%
6. Ted Cruz: 5%

Scott Walker and Lindsey Graham are tied for seventh place in the poll
with 4% each. Note, this is Graham’s home state.

What’s especially striking about Trump’s support is how broad it is: he
leads among South Carolina Republicans who describe themselves as “very
conservative,� “somewhat conservative,� and “moderate to liberal.�
Despite his general secularism, the New York real-estate developer also
leads among evangelical Christians, picking up 33% of their support.

- - -

Swiped from MSNBC site.

The Donald. Love it. And Jebbie is sliding down the pole into the abyss.

Means Trump is saying what people want to hear. Not the babble most of the
others, both parties, are expounding.


It means that a huge percentage of Republicans like the racist,
misogynist, name-calling in which Trump engages. I agree that he is just
perfect for today's GOP, but decent Republicans like Bob Dole or Gerry
Ford wouldn't tolerate Trump's ugly behavior.

I very much it is just Republicans agreeing with Trump. Would be
interesting to see a poll as to Democrats picking Trump over the Dem field.

I see a Washington Examiner article that's says 19% of Dems would vote for
Trump.



Yeah, I'll bet you do. And wait until Trump picks Josh Duggar as his
running mate, eh?

More likely Rubio or Kasisch

What about Carly. Now the women's vote, unless Biden-warran.

Not much of a Carly fan. She ran a division of Lucent when it was on
autopilot during the tech boom and when she actually had a challenge
at HP, she screwed it up.

Not a Carly fan either. But also not a Trump or HRC fan. Heck, toss all
and start over. But still makes a nasty ticket for Hillary or Biden to go
against.



Donald and Carly? Nasty indeed, and easy to beat in a general election.
Love it.

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:36:17 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/26/15 12:29 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:22:00 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:15:54 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 4:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
Califbill billnews wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
Public Policy Polling released new survey results this morning out of New
Hampshire, the nation’s first primary state.

1. Donald Trump: 35%
2. John Kasich: 11%
3. Carly Fiorina: 10%
4. Jeb Bush: 7%
4. Scott Walker: 7%
6. Ben Carson: 6%

Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio each have 4% support in the
poll, while Rand Paul is now in 10th place with 3%.

Note, Jeb Bush has long been seen as the likely frontrunner in the
Granite State, but if PPP is correct, at this point, Trump’s support in
New Hampshire is now five times greater than the former governor’s.
Adding insult to injury, only 38% of GOP primary voters in the state have
a favorable opinion of Bush, while 41% have a negative impression.

Trump’s 35% is the strongest showing of any Republican in any New
Hampshire poll this year. His New Hampshire support, at least for now, is
roughly equivalent to the support for Bush, Walker, and Rubio combined – times two.

Also this morning, a new Monmouth poll is out, showing the Republicans’
standing in South Carolina, the nation’s second primary state. Maybe it
will offer better news for the GOP establishment waiting for Trump
Mania to end? Maybe not.

1. Donald Trump: 30%
2. Ben Carson: 15%
3. Jeb Bush: 9%
4. Marco Rubio: 6%
4. Carly Fiorina: 6%
6. Ted Cruz: 5%

Scott Walker and Lindsey Graham are tied for seventh place in the poll
with 4% each. Note, this is Graham’s home state.

What’s especially striking about Trump’s support is how broad it is: he
leads among South Carolina Republicans who describe themselves as “very
conservative,� “somewhat conservative,� and “moderate to liberal.�
Despite his general secularism, the New York real-estate developer also
leads among evangelical Christians, picking up 33% of their support.

- - -

Swiped from MSNBC site.

The Donald. Love it. And Jebbie is sliding down the pole into the abyss.

Means Trump is saying what people want to hear. Not the babble most of the
others, both parties, are expounding.


It means that a huge percentage of Republicans like the racist,
misogynist, name-calling in which Trump engages. I agree that he is just
perfect for today's GOP, but decent Republicans like Bob Dole or Gerry
Ford wouldn't tolerate Trump's ugly behavior.

I very much it is just Republicans agreeing with Trump. Would be
interesting to see a poll as to Democrats picking Trump over the Dem field.

I see a Washington Examiner article that's says 19% of Dems would vote for
Trump.



Yeah, I'll bet you do. And wait until Trump picks Josh Duggar as his
running mate, eh?

More likely Rubio or Kasisch

What about Carly. Now the women's vote, unless Biden-warran.

Not much of a Carly fan. She ran a division of Lucent when it was on
autopilot during the tech boom and when she actually had a challenge
at HP, she screwed it up.

Not a Carly fan either. But also not a Trump or HRC fan. Heck, toss all
and start over. But still makes a nasty ticket for Hillary or Biden to go
against.



Donald and Carly? Nasty indeed, and easy to beat in a general election.
Love it.

Six months ago, I would have agreed with you but I never underestimate
what the American electorate might do.
I would not have thought Trump would get 43% of the vote in a poll of
all likely voters against Hillary either. Bill won with 43% in 1992
Scary huh?