On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:18:10 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/26/15 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:09:33 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/26/15 11:07 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 05:22:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I have shot one several times. Its angry. Especially at $3. A pull

That is why I say a guy with one, should be reloading. With revolvers,
recovering the brass is not even hard.


It's a buck and a half a shot with factory loads. What's you guess about
reloading, assuming you recycled the brass a few times and were buying
readymade bullets?

You will run into the same issue with bullets as Tim was referencing,
small production runs but a buck a pop would not surprise me for a
performance bullet. Cast bullets should be a lot cheaper., maybe 30-40
cents, way less if you cast your own.. Primers and powder are pennies
a shot.
These hand cannons remind me of the chopper (motorcycles) that were
popular in the 70s. When I questioned the tiny gas tank, the guy said
"if you go that far you will want to get off anyway".
I doubt anyone is going to shoot a lot of full power loads.

I looked a little and there are some "cowboy" loads that push out
subsonic cast bullets and should shoot fairly easy.

The full power load is at least 3-4 times the energy.


I pay about 30 cents a round for decent factory 158 grain .357 MAG
rounds, similar to what I pay for .223 rifle ammo. That seems enough to
spend on ammo to me.

The .500 S&W is not your regular plinker.
It is like comparing a Bugatti to a Camry

On 8/26/15 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:18:10 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/26/15 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:09:33 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/26/15 11:07 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 05:22:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I have shot one several times. Its angry. Especially at $3. A pull

That is why I say a guy with one, should be reloading. With revolvers,
recovering the brass is not even hard.


It's a buck and a half a shot with factory loads. What's you guess about
reloading, assuming you recycled the brass a few times and were buying
readymade bullets?

You will run into the same issue with bullets as Tim was referencing,
small production runs but a buck a pop would not surprise me for a
performance bullet. Cast bullets should be a lot cheaper., maybe 30-40
cents, way less if you cast your own.. Primers and powder are pennies
a shot.
These hand cannons remind me of the chopper (motorcycles) that were
popular in the 70s. When I questioned the tiny gas tank, the guy said
"if you go that far you will want to get off anyway".
I doubt anyone is going to shoot a lot of full power loads.

I looked a little and there are some "cowboy" loads that push out
subsonic cast bullets and should shoot fairly easy.

The full power load is at least 3-4 times the energy.


I pay about 30 cents a round for decent factory 158 grain .357 MAG
rounds, similar to what I pay for .223 rifle ammo. That seems enough to
spend on ammo to me.

The .500 S&W is not your regular plinker.
It is like comparing a Bugatti to a Camry


Why would you want to "plink" with it, unless you are into hurting your
wrist/arm and annoying everyone around you?

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:44:26 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/26/15 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:18:10 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/26/15 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:09:33 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/26/15 11:07 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 05:22:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I have shot one several times. Its angry. Especially at $3. A pull

That is why I say a guy with one, should be reloading. With revolvers,
recovering the brass is not even hard.


It's a buck and a half a shot with factory loads. What's you guess about
reloading, assuming you recycled the brass a few times and were buying
readymade bullets?

You will run into the same issue with bullets as Tim was referencing,
small production runs but a buck a pop would not surprise me for a
performance bullet. Cast bullets should be a lot cheaper., maybe 30-40
cents, way less if you cast your own.. Primers and powder are pennies
a shot.
These hand cannons remind me of the chopper (motorcycles) that were
popular in the 70s. When I questioned the tiny gas tank, the guy said
"if you go that far you will want to get off anyway".
I doubt anyone is going to shoot a lot of full power loads.

I looked a little and there are some "cowboy" loads that push out
subsonic cast bullets and should shoot fairly easy.

The full power load is at least 3-4 times the energy.


I pay about 30 cents a round for decent factory 158 grain .357 MAG
rounds, similar to what I pay for .223 rifle ammo. That seems enough to
spend on ammo to me.

The .500 S&W is not your regular plinker.
It is like comparing a Bugatti to a Camry


Why would you want to "plink" with it, unless you are into hurting your
wrist/arm and annoying everyone around you?

I think that was what I said ;-)

If you shot the cowboy rounds out of it, you would save yourself a lot
of punishment.
I don't think a .357 is a plinker either, unless you are shooting .38
wad cutters out of it. That was the round I loaded most often. A 148gr
wc in front of about 2.5 gr of Bullseye was a very pleasant load to
shoot, very accurate and easy on the brass.
If I was loading a full power .357 round, the brass takes a beating,
along with the shooter. I was loading some stuff that was a bit hotter
than anything you could buy. I had a 125gr round nose half jacket that
was going 1725 FPS. That is smoking for a .357. It was not pleasant to
shoot tho and I threw the brass away.

Greg, at those pressures it can often times swell the cylinders. A guy I know did that with a .44 mag and made it hotter. It swelled the cylinder bad enough he had to knock the spent shells out with hammer slightly tapping on a metal rod. Not the best idea

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:44:13 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Greg, at those pressures it can often times swell the cylinders. A guy I know did that with a .44 mag and made it hotter. It swelled the cylinder bad enough he had to knock the spent shells out with hammer slightly tapping on a metal rod. Not the best idea

I worked up to that load, I didn't just stuff the case and give it a
try ;-)
It ejected just fine.

wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:44:26 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/26/15 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:18:10 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/26/15 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:09:33 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/26/15 11:07 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 05:22:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I have shot one several times. Its angry. Especially at $3. A pull

That is why I say a guy with one, should be reloading. With revolvers,
recovering the brass is not even hard.


It's a buck and a half a shot with factory loads. What's you guess about
reloading, assuming you recycled the brass a few times and were buying
readymade bullets?

You will run into the same issue with bullets as Tim was referencing,
small production runs but a buck a pop would not surprise me for a
performance bullet. Cast bullets should be a lot cheaper., maybe 30-40
cents, way less if you cast your own.. Primers and powder are pennies
a shot.
These hand cannons remind me of the chopper (motorcycles) that were
popular in the 70s. When I questioned the tiny gas tank, the guy said
"if you go that far you will want to get off anyway".
I doubt anyone is going to shoot a lot of full power loads.

I looked a little and there are some "cowboy" loads that push out
subsonic cast bullets and should shoot fairly easy.

The full power load is at least 3-4 times the energy.


I pay about 30 cents a round for decent factory 158 grain .357 MAG
rounds, similar to what I pay for .223 rifle ammo. That seems enough to
spend on ammo to me.

The .500 S&W is not your regular plinker.
It is like comparing a Bugatti to a Camry


Why would you want to "plink" with it, unless you are into hurting your
wrist/arm and annoying everyone around you?

I think that was what I said ;-)

If you shot the cowboy rounds out of it, you would save yourself a lot
of punishment.
I don't think a .357 is a plinker either, unless you are shooting .38
wad cutters out of it. That was the round I loaded most often. A 148gr
wc in front of about 2.5 gr of Bullseye was a very pleasant load to
shoot, very accurate and easy on the brass.
If I was loading a full power .357 round, the brass takes a beating,
along with the shooter. I was loading some stuff that was a bit hotter
than anything you could buy. I had a 125gr round nose half jacket that
was going 1725 FPS. That is smoking for a .357. It was not pleasant to
shoot tho and I threw the brass away.

I agree. I rarely fire 357 in the 357. Mostly 38's or reloaded 357 with
semi wad utters.

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:08:32 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:

I don't think a .357 is a plinker either, unless you are shooting .38
wad cutters out of it. That was the round I loaded most often. A 148gr
wc in front of about 2.5 gr of Bullseye was a very pleasant load to
shoot, very accurate and easy on the brass.
If I was loading a full power .357 round, the brass takes a beating,
along with the shooter. I was loading some stuff that was a bit hotter
than anything you could buy. I had a 125gr round nose half jacket that
was going 1725 FPS. That is smoking for a .357. It was not pleasant to
shoot tho and I threw the brass away.

I agree. I rarely fire 357 in the 357. Mostly 38's or reloaded 357 with
semi wad utters.

That 2.5 gr of Bullseye behind the 148 gr wad cutter is a great round
for casual plinking or paper busting. It was pretty slow tho, I don't
remember exactly but I think it chronos at 750 fps or so. I know it
was really slow.
A can of power is a lifetime supply tho. I had a supply of really
cheap bullets and primers were less than a penny each if you bought in
volume. I was shooting .38 for about what 22rf was going for..

On 8/26/15 1:19 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:44:26 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



Why would you want to "plink" with it, unless you are into hurting your
wrist/arm and annoying everyone around you?

I think that was what I said ;-)

If you shot the cowboy rounds out of it, you would save yourself a lot
of punishment.
I don't think a .357 is a plinker either, unless you are shooting .38
wad cutters out of it. That was the round I loaded most often. A 148gr
wc in front of about 2.5 gr of Bullseye was a very pleasant load to
shoot, very accurate and easy on the brass.
If I was loading a full power .357 round, the brass takes a beating,
along with the shooter. I was loading some stuff that was a bit hotter
than anything you could buy. I had a 125gr round nose half jacket that
was going 1725 FPS. That is smoking for a .357. It was not pleasant to
shoot tho and I threw the brass away.


I don't reload, so I don't care if my .357 MAG brass takes a beating. I
do dump the "empties" into a plastic box and give them to a buddy, who
does reload. But, actually, he trades the empties I give him to someone
who gives him back brass in a size he uses.

I haven't found my .357 unpleasant to shoot with full power rounds. It's
certainly noisy, though. I wear plugs inside my electronic muffs.

The last time I took it to the range, I went through nearly two full
50-round boxes of .357 rounds. The S&W is a terrific shooter.

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 15:20:46 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/26/15 1:19 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:44:26 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:



Why would you want to "plink" with it, unless you are into hurting your
wrist/arm and annoying everyone around you?

I think that was what I said ;-)

If you shot the cowboy rounds out of it, you would save yourself a lot
of punishment.
I don't think a .357 is a plinker either, unless you are shooting .38
wad cutters out of it. That was the round I loaded most often. A 148gr
wc in front of about 2.5 gr of Bullseye was a very pleasant load to
shoot, very accurate and easy on the brass.
If I was loading a full power .357 round, the brass takes a beating,
along with the shooter. I was loading some stuff that was a bit hotter
than anything you could buy. I had a 125gr round nose half jacket that
was going 1725 FPS. That is smoking for a .357. It was not pleasant to
shoot tho and I threw the brass away.


I don't reload, so I don't care if my .357 MAG brass takes a beating. I
do dump the "empties" into a plastic box and give them to a buddy, who
does reload. But, actually, he trades the empties I give him to someone
who gives him back brass in a size he uses.

I haven't found my .357 unpleasant to shoot with full power rounds. It's
certainly noisy, though. I wear plugs inside my electronic muffs.

The last time I took it to the range, I went through nearly two full
50-round boxes of .357 rounds. The S&W is a terrific shooter.

Blast is a big part of it and I was shooting inside.
When my buddy tried out his new 29 Smith at my house, it took pictures
off the wall. (worse than a 12 ga)
It felt like someone hitting you in the face with a wet towel. I did
have to call bull**** on Dirty Harry shooting his .44 in that concrete
hallway with no hearing protection.

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:32:50 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:18:10 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/26/15 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 11:09:33 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/26/15 11:07 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 05:22:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I have shot one several times. Its angry. Especially at $3. A pull

That is why I say a guy with one, should be reloading. With revolvers,
recovering the brass is not even hard.


It's a buck and a half a shot with factory loads. What's you guess about
reloading, assuming you recycled the brass a few times and were buying
readymade bullets?

You will run into the same issue with bullets as Tim was referencing,
small production runs but a buck a pop would not surprise me for a
performance bullet. Cast bullets should be a lot cheaper., maybe 30-40
cents, way less if you cast your own.. Primers and powder are pennies
a shot.
These hand cannons remind me of the chopper (motorcycles) that were
popular in the 70s. When I questioned the tiny gas tank, the guy said
"if you go that far you will want to get off anyway".
I doubt anyone is going to shoot a lot of full power loads.

I looked a little and there are some "cowboy" loads that push out
subsonic cast bullets and should shoot fairly easy.

The full power load is at least 3-4 times the energy.


I pay about 30 cents a round for decent factory 158 grain .357 MAG
rounds, similar to what I pay for .223 rifle ammo. That seems enough to
spend on ammo to me.

The .500 S&W is not your regular plinker.
It is like comparing a Bugatti to a Camry

Sounds like it would be a great gun for someone who is constantly seeking attention.
Gosh, it would be very photogenic, especially if the photo included lots of ammo.
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