On 9/22/15 4:03 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/22/15 12:46 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/22/15 12:09 AM, Califbill wrote:
True North wrote:
Ditzy Dan Kruger boasts.
- show quoted text -
" Again, more great information. The flexibility could work for me and
the price is significantly lower than what I expected. I'm going to
look into it further. "


Great, now the group will have to suffer your endless boasts about how
many airplanes you'll buy.

Jealousy rears it's head.



Perhaps it'll just be one. Two friends died decades ago in separate
crashes while flying their small private planes, and one died in the
crash of a private jet.

Jealousy about what, Bilious? Some of us don't even like to fly in much
safer commercial jets.

People die in commercial aircraft also. I used to like to fly commercial.
But over the years, the seating got tighter, and the hassles got bigger. I
still fly a few times a year. I was going to get a private pilots license
years ago, but not enough time with work, school and racing cars.



What's with the "jealousy" comment, Bilious? Why would anyone be jealous
of one of the right-wing morons here taking flying lessons or buying a
half dozen airplanes? Where do you get these lame-brained ideas?

You can not seem to comprehend what is written.


Really? You brought up "jealousy." Why should anyone who doesn't give a
rat's ass about private aviation be jealous over whether one of the
dumb**** righties here takes flying lessons or buys planes?

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:07:58 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:


Just spend a few extra bucks and fly up front.

By the time you factor in all the BS fees it isn't even that much more
on a lot of routes.
When we went to Montana, the difference was about $350 and that did
not take into account 3 "extra" bags, food, drinks and convenience.
It wasn't even enough to burn airline points on.

Last two trips I went on, up front was outrageous. To Africa ways an extra
$5700 each for business, not even first. And NZ was $10K for both of us.

We did 1st class to LAX and premium economy to NZ. The bill was $8k,
not horrible and the "space seat" on Air New Zealand was not that much
different than the 1st class seat.
I think the food was the same and the drinks were still free.
I can't imagine doing that trip back in the cargo section.

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 16:18:39 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:07:58 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:


Just spend a few extra bucks and fly up front.

By the time you factor in all the BS fees it isn't even that much more
on a lot of routes.
When we went to Montana, the difference was about $350 and that did
not take into account 3 "extra" bags, food, drinks and convenience.
It wasn't even enough to burn airline points on.

Last two trips I went on, up front was outrageous. To Africa ways an extra
$5700 each for business, not even first. And NZ was $10K for both of us.

We did 1st class to LAX and premium economy to NZ. The bill was $8k,
not horrible and the "space seat" on Air New Zealand was not that much
different than the 1st class seat.
I think the food was the same and the drinks were still free.
I can't imagine doing that trip back in the cargo section.

Given the kind of money you guys are talking about, I wonder what a cruise would
cost. At least it would be enjoyable.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Keysor says..

"Really? You brought up "jealousy." Why should anyone who doesn't give a
rat's ass about private aviation be jealous over whether one of the
dumb**** righties here takes flying lessons or buys planes?"


I agree wholeheartedly with this post. If someone gave me an airplane it would be up for sale in a New York minute. Poor Swill, he seems to base a person's worth solely on their possessions.

On 9/22/2015 5:16 PM, True North wrote:
Keysor says..

"Really? You brought up "jealousy." Why should anyone who doesn't give a
rat's ass about private aviation be jealous over whether one of the
dumb**** righties here takes flying lessons or buys planes?"


I agree wholeheartedly with this post. If someone gave me an airplane it would be up for sale in a New York minute. Poor Swill, he seems to base a person's worth solely on their possessions.


People don't learn to fly in order to buy airplanes. People learn to
fly because it's something they have interest in and want to experience
the process and challenge of learning and earning the license.

I'd never buy an airplane. For my purposes renting made far more sense.
I'll never even make any use of the ticket I earned. But, it's
another item to toss into the bucket of life experiences and I am glad I
did it.

BTW, the comment Harry made is characteristic of his narcissism. If
*he* hasn't done it then anyone who does is a dumb**** and is not worth
his valuable time to read of their experiences and questions of others.
Harry's time is very valuable you see.

I gave up trying to have a normal, adult conversation with him.

On 9/22/15 5:36 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 9/22/2015 5:16 PM, True North wrote:
Keysor says..

"Really? You brought up "jealousy." Why should anyone who doesn't give a
rat's ass about private aviation be jealous over whether one of the
dumb**** righties here takes flying lessons or buys planes?"


I agree wholeheartedly with this post. If someone gave me an airplane
it would be up for sale in a New York minute. Poor Swill, he seems to
base a person's worth solely on their possessions.


People don't learn to fly in order to buy airplanes. People learn to
fly because it's something they have interest in and want to experience
the process and challenge of learning and earning the license.

I'd never buy an airplane. For my purposes renting made far more sense.
I'll never even make any use of the ticket I earned. But, it's
another item to toss into the bucket of life experiences and I am glad I
did it.

BTW, the comment Harry made is characteristic of his narcissism. If
*he* hasn't done it then anyone who does is a dumb**** and is not worth
his valuable time to read of their experiences and questions of others.
Harry's time is very valuable you see.

I gave up trying to have a normal, adult conversation with him.




Actually, I have done it. I took two flying lessons in the late 1960s
out of the Detroit area, but then a friend of mine crashed and died
while flying his private plane, and a short time later, Walter Reuther,
one of my heroes and for whom the agency I worked for did consulting
work, died when the Lear Jet he was in crashed. A few years later, a
commercial printer whose company did work for me died when his private
plane crashed.

Indeed, I don't give a rat's ass about private aviation, but I came to
this conclusion after trying it and several friends/colleagues died
while involved in it. And I do agree the fellow here who is questioning
you about it *is* a dumb ****, but my opinion of him has nothing to do
with his interest in flying.

Actually, I think you and W'hine are far more narcissistic than I've
ever been. Has W'hine told everyone once again how much fuel his barge
holds, or how much water it draws?

I was On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:16:05 -0400, John H. wrote:

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 16:18:39 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:07:58 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:


Just spend a few extra bucks and fly up front.

By the time you factor in all the BS fees it isn't even that much more
on a lot of routes.
When we went to Montana, the difference was about $350 and that did
not take into account 3 "extra" bags, food, drinks and convenience.
It wasn't even enough to burn airline points on.

Last two trips I went on, up front was outrageous. To Africa ways an extra
$5700 each for business, not even first. And NZ was $10K for both of us.

We did 1st class to LAX and premium economy to NZ. The bill was $8k,
not horrible and the "space seat" on Air New Zealand was not that much
different than the 1st class seat.
I think the food was the same and the drinks were still free.
I can't imagine doing that trip back in the cargo section.

Given the kind of money you guys are talking about, I wonder what a cruise would
cost. At least it would be enjoyable.

Dunno, I did see a nice looking "Bright Horizons" cruise (Holland
America) from FTL down the coast to Colombia and back up through the
western Caribbean and it was about $15k for a nice cabin for two by
the time you add up all the fees. That was if you did not attend the
seminars. (another $3k)
You can save about $4.5k a head if you are willing to live in the
bilge.
That still does not cover your bar tab and the excursion fees.

For our trip, being there in New Zealand was the point.
A boat ride is a boat ride.
Two ways to the South Pacific by boat would be tedious and very
expensive. Maybe if I was rich and wanted to be gone a couple months
it would be an option. I would like to see the canal.
In real life, the airports were the only bad thing about the flight.
ANZ takes very good care of you on the long stretch and the other two
hops are tolerable in 1st class.
We did crash in the Marriott in LA on the way home to break up the
trip. My wife got it free with bank points and it is 5 minutes from
the airport. That made it very tolerable. The only mistake I made was
not taking a later flight from LAX to ATL because we had a few hours
in ATL. The Ft Myers flight was the first one of the day. We could
have kicked it in the Marriott for a couple more hours and took the
late flight out of LAX.

On 9/22/15 6:59 PM, wrote:
I was On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:16:05 -0400, John H. wrote:

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 16:18:39 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:07:58 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

wrote:


Just spend a few extra bucks and fly up front.

By the time you factor in all the BS fees it isn't even that much more
on a lot of routes.
When we went to Montana, the difference was about $350 and that did
not take into account 3 "extra" bags, food, drinks and convenience.
It wasn't even enough to burn airline points on.

Last two trips I went on, up front was outrageous. To Africa ways an extra
$5700 each for business, not even first. And NZ was $10K for both of us.

We did 1st class to LAX and premium economy to NZ. The bill was $8k,
not horrible and the "space seat" on Air New Zealand was not that much
different than the 1st class seat.
I think the food was the same and the drinks were still free.
I can't imagine doing that trip back in the cargo section.

Given the kind of money you guys are talking about, I wonder what a cruise would
cost. At least it would be enjoyable.

Dunno, I did see a nice looking "Bright Horizons" cruise (Holland
America) from FTL down the coast to Colombia and back up through the
western Caribbean and it was about $15k for a nice cabin for two by
the time you add up all the fees. That was if you did not attend the
seminars. (another $3k)
You can save about $4.5k a head if you are willing to live in the
bilge.
That still does not cover your bar tab and the excursion fees.

For our trip, being there in New Zealand was the point.
A boat ride is a boat ride.
Two ways to the South Pacific by boat would be tedious and very
expensive. Maybe if I was rich and wanted to be gone a couple months
it would be an option. I would like to see the canal.
In real life, the airports were the only bad thing about the flight.
ANZ takes very good care of you on the long stretch and the other two
hops are tolerable in 1st class.
We did crash in the Marriott in LA on the way home to break up the
trip. My wife got it free with bank points and it is 5 minutes from
the airport. That made it very tolerable. The only mistake I made was
not taking a later flight from LAX to ATL because we had a few hours
in ATL. The Ft Myers flight was the first one of the day. We could
have kicked it in the Marriott for a couple more hours and took the
late flight out of LAX.


How about the shipboard dysentery? Is that covered?

John H. wrote:
On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 23:09:06 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:

True North wrote:
Ditzy Dan Kruger boasts.
- show quoted text -
" Again, more great information. The flexibility could work for me and
the price is significantly lower than what I expected. I'm going to
look into it further. "


Great, now the group will have to suffer your endless boasts about how
many airplanes you'll buy.
Jealousy rears it's head.
Funny how donne' says not a word to Krause about all his gun transactions.
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

I'm sure he's been told that is off-limits.

Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 9/22/15 12:09 AM, Califbill wrote:
True North wrote:
Ditzy Dan Kruger boasts.
- show quoted text -
" Again, more great information. The flexibility could work for me and
the price is significantly lower than what I expected. I'm going to
look into it further. "


Great, now the group will have to suffer your endless boasts about how
many airplanes you'll buy.
Jealousy rears it's head.


Perhaps it'll just be one. Two friends died decades ago in separate
crashes while flying their small private planes, and one died in the
crash of a private jet.

Jealousy about what, Bilious? Some of us don't even like to fly in much
safer commercial jets.
People die in commercial aircraft also. I used to like to fly commercial.
But over the years, the seating got tighter, and the hassles got bigger. I
still fly a few times a year. I was going to get a private pilots license
years ago, but not enough time with work, school and racing cars.


A Cessna won't drop out of the sky without power. A 737 will. Safety is
relative.