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On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 at 12:23:54 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 12:11 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:40:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Oh. Well, my guess is that Jews who observe their religion's dietary
laws don't really give a tinker's dam about your religion's rewrite.

Is Jew who doesn't follow the laws of his religion still a Jew?



I have no idea. I suggest you pose that question to rabbis in each of
Judaism's various sects. I do know from growing up when and where I did
that "reform" Jews for the most part do not follow Jewish dietary
regulations. Of course, that was in the days when most Catholics ate
fish on Fridays, and fish was the menu choice in our public junior and
senior high schools on that day of the week. Dietary regs apparently
have "slipped." :)

On the other hand, all the schoolkids were grateful for the Jews,
because the public schools closed on the Jewish High Holidays.

So mixing church and state was OK with you then, but not now?

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On 8/25/15 1:19 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 11:09:13 -0400, John H.
wrote:

What do they call Jews who've left their faith?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

Agnostics?

Sounds good.
--

Virtually every agnostic I know comes from a mixed Catholic/Jewish
background. I always assumed that when you realize that one of your
parents could switch their faith, it might make you question all of
it.

I am a spiritual person but I do not have any brand loyalty. I think
there is wisdom in all of these faiths but it is mixed in with a
helping of unnecessary dogma.



I don't know many agnostics or atheists, but I know plenty of people who
have given up altogether on "organized religion."

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On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:23:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:11 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:40:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Oh. Well, my guess is that Jews who observe their religion's dietary
laws don't really give a tinker's dam about your religion's rewrite.

Is Jew who doesn't follow the laws of his religion still a Jew?



I have no idea. I suggest you pose that question to rabbis in each of
Judaism's various sects. I do know from growing up when and where I did
that "reform" Jews for the most part do not follow Jewish dietary
regulations. Of course, that was in the days when most Catholics ate
fish on Fridays, and fish was the menu choice in our public junior and
senior high schools on that day of the week. Dietary regs apparently
have "slipped." :)

I remember when the pope said a burger in Friday was not going to
doom you to hell. George Carlin lost a whole string of jokes.

On the other hand, all the schoolkids were grateful for the Jews,
because the public schools closed on the Jewish High Holidays.

Must have been a northern thing. In DC and Maryland the jewish kids
took a day off but the rest of us were in school.
IBM dealt with all of this by giving us 6 "optional holidays" that you
could take any time you liked along with the 6 or 7 nationally
recognized holidays. It was really just an extra few vacation days but
you had a way to say you got your particular holidays off.

It never really mattered that much to me. I ended up working most of
the holidays anyway (no kids for most of my career). I let the people
who found it important, to have their day with the family. I would
just take another day off somewhere and pocket the holiday pay.

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On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

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On 8/25/15 2:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:23:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:11 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:40:51 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Oh. Well, my guess is that Jews who observe their religion's dietary
laws don't really give a tinker's dam about your religion's rewrite.

Is Jew who doesn't follow the laws of his religion still a Jew?



I have no idea. I suggest you pose that question to rabbis in each of
Judaism's various sects. I do know from growing up when and where I did
that "reform" Jews for the most part do not follow Jewish dietary
regulations. Of course, that was in the days when most Catholics ate
fish on Fridays, and fish was the menu choice in our public junior and
senior high schools on that day of the week. Dietary regs apparently
have "slipped." :)

I remember when the pope said a burger in Friday was not going to
doom you to hell. George Carlin lost a whole string of jokes.

On the other hand, all the schoolkids were grateful for the Jews,
because the public schools closed on the Jewish High Holidays.

Must have been a northern thing. In DC and Maryland the jewish kids
took a day off but the rest of us were in school.
IBM dealt with all of this by giving us 6 "optional holidays" that you
could take any time you liked along with the 6 or 7 nationally
recognized holidays. It was really just an extra few vacation days but
you had a way to say you got your particular holidays off.

It never really mattered that much to me. I ended up working most of
the holidays anyway (no kids for most of my career). I let the people
who found it important, to have their day with the family. I would
just take another day off somewhere and pocket the holiday pay.


Well, back in the day, not only did New Haven have a large Jewish and
Roman Catholic population, probably the majority when combined, but a
very high percentage of the public school teachers were Jewish. So, the
schools likely would have had very few teachers on hand when the Jewish
high holidays came around.

I seem to recall we got Columbus Day off, too. There were more Italian
Catholics than Irish Catholics. :)

The Italians used to put on a several day feast and carnival in
mid-August to mark the Assumption of Mary. It was held a few blocks away
from where we lived, and when I was 12, I got to kiss my first Italian
girl there. She didn't slap me. :)

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On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:36:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/25/2015 10:18 AM, John H. wrote:


What do they call Jews who've left their faith?


Penniless?


(I know, I know ... not nice and certainly not very "PC" of me. It's a
joke folks)

It is probably accurate tho. There is a lot of networking that goes on
at Temple. One of the salesmen at IBM was a JewCatholic agnostic but
he still went to temple with his devout brother now and then, just to
see his friends. He is the guy who explained the menorah to my
daughter when she thought she might try judaism.
We had one in the living room for the holidays and she had already lit
all of the candles before the first day of Hanukkah.

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On 8/25/15 2:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.


I haven't seen any wild hogs or bears around here, but one of the
neighbors down the street has a small pot-bellied pig. Cute little
critter, and smart, too.

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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 2:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.


I haven't seen any wild hogs or bears around here, but one of the
neighbors down the street has a small pot-bellied pig. Cute little critter, and smart, too.

Pot bellies get huge, and crap a lot. We have hogs, but lots of open space
here, so not many hog problems near here. Other places, lots of problems.
South of San Francisco near Crystal Springs Reservoir friend of a friend
shot a 700# hog tearing up his yard. Kids run inside when the groups of
hogs come in the neighborhood.

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wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.

Here, we have deer problems. Eat lots of the local foliage. They love
roses. Local nursery never has to prune their roses. There are about
10,000 deer killed by hunters, about a million killed by cars in Calif.

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On 8/25/15 3:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 8/25/15 2:51 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:25:50 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 12:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:42:28 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 8/25/15 1:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:

What's to debate? You're in favor of sport hunting and I am not. I have
no desire or need to try to win you over to my side.

You lump,all hunting into sport hunting. Very narrow minded person.


Wrong again, Bilil. I don't believe all hunting is sport hunting.

I would draw that line at "trophy hunts" and I include fishermen in
that.
Fortunately actually killing trophy fish is on the decline, mostly
driven by the captains who make their living looking for these fish
for their customers.
"Mounts" are usually just a fiberglass replica anyway so now they
encourage taking measurements and maybe a picture, then returning the
fish to the water.

I think you could do the same thing for trophy hunters if you could
change the culture a little.

The reality is, that trophy buck is not anything you want to eat
anyway. You are a lot better off shooting "Bambi" for food and let the
buck go around making more Bambis.



Our deer wander through the yard almost daily, but know enough, somehow,
not to eat my wife's hostas until the fall. They do like rose petals,
though. Sometimes I shoot the deer...with a camera.

I wouldn't take a deer either but I have no problem with those who do.
We don't really have that many that come into neighborhoods because
there is plenty of natural habitat around here. It is pretty much the
same with the bears and the hogs. Up closer to Ft Myers and down in
East Naples that is not as true. The bears have discovered dumpsters
and the hogs have decided the roots of ornamental plants are yummy.


I haven't seen any wild hogs or bears around here, but one of the
neighbors down the street has a small pot-bellied pig. Cute little critter, and smart, too.

Pot bellies get huge, and crap a lot. We have hogs, but lots of open space
here, so not many hog problems near here. Other places, lots of problems.
South of San Francisco near Crystal Springs Reservoir friend of a friend
shot a 700# hog tearing up his yard. Kids run inside when the groups of
hogs come in the neighborhood.


This was a several year old Vietnamese pot-bellied pig, no larger than
an average sized beagle, probably smaller.