wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:15:57 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 6:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/23/2015 6:47 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 5:47 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:19:20 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 7/23/15 4:58 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:54:31 -0400, Justan Olphat
wrote:

On 7/23/2015 3:29 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/23/15 3:22 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:36:31 -0500, Califbill billnews wrote:


If you set up a building trades table at career day, you would be a
pretty lonely guy.

That must be why there is a waiting list in most of the skilled
trades
nationwide to get into union-contractor apprenticeship programs.


Slackers all, looking for handouts.

Union apprenticeship programs are really designed to limit the number
of people coming into the trade and they have a very limited number of
slots.


Not for the reasons you think you know.

That is certainly not what they say but if they really wanted more
people in the trade, they would have more slots. It is like the AMAS,
they bitch about the lack of doctors, then do everything they can to
limit the number who can be there.

The industry that should be limiting the numbers are lawyers and we
crank out 100,000 more every year



Adding "more slots" requires spending millions more on facilities,
training trainers, paying trainers, and much more. It takes three to
five years to properly train in the classroom and on the job a qualified
journeyman or woman. You apparently think the training is done via some
sort of rump group on the job site before work begins each morning.
Well, maybe that works for stick builders in your part of Florida, eh?


Slow learners, huh?



It's always a grin to watch the plutocrats and wannabes put down the
difficulties involved in learning how to be a competent building
tradesman who works on large commercial buildings. I doubt anyone here
could learn or pass the specialty welding requirements involved, for
example, in a pharma plant, or a nuclear plant, or the chemistry
requirements involved in high strength cold weather mortar mixing or
coloration for bricklaying, or the building, running and maintenance of
a large-scale power plant. These workers aren't nailing together 2x4's
to build the wall frames of a stick built house, or using glue to
assembly plumbing pipe.


But most of the construction is not in nuclear plants and most
commercial buildings are not welded together.
Most construction guys build houses or low rise commercial that uses
the same techniques.



I am IAEI, ICBO and ICC certified in commercial electric along with a
Florida license. I do know what is involved.

They have even changed the code to allow "glued" plastic pipe and
Romex in commercial in most states.

Yes, well I am sure everything you know about construction can be taught in
one afternoon course at the local JuCo, right? Or perhaps via a popup book.
😀 Who needs apprenticeship programs?
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On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:11:36 -0400, wrote:

I know the unions hate the idea of snap together conduit and
preassembled electrical boxes but that is the way the industry is
going. Plumbers are not packing cast iron drain pipe joints with Oakum
and lead and roof trusses come in on trucks from factories instead of
framing rafters with hand cut lumber. It may be sad that we are losing
some of those skills but we are also losing the skill of using a
typewriter, operating a slide rule and navigating with a sextant.
It is not the 20th century anymore.

===

Well said.

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:39:07 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:47:20 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 02:11:36 -0400, wrote:

I know the unions hate the idea of snap together conduit and
preassembled electrical boxes but that is the way the industry is
going. Plumbers are not packing cast iron drain pipe joints with Oakum
and lead and roof trusses come in on trucks from factories instead of
framing rafters with hand cut lumber. It may be sad that we are losing
some of those skills but we are also losing the skill of using a
typewriter, operating a slide rule and navigating with a sextant.
It is not the 20th century anymore.

===

Well said.

It may be that the building trades are going to the assembly line
model because we are trying to reemploy all of those auto workers ;-)

It is interesting when you see the road warriors selling these new
plug and play products. They seem very expensive on the face but when
he starts talking about labor cost and cycle time, they start looking
good to the builders.

CBS has pretty much made the traditional bricklayer obsolete. You can
do "Berlin wall" quality block work if you are insulating and dry
walling the inside and putting 1/2" of stucco on the outside.
All you see is the drywall and stucco finish. That is usually textured
to hide even more defects.
Strength is not much of an issue when you are doweling at least 16% of
the cells and the top 16" is solid concrete with four #5s in it.

Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".

True North wrote:
The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".


Maybe you are an idiot who responds without consulting his master/mentor
and ends up presenting himself as a troll. I'm sure this wasn't Harry
approved.

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".

I'm surely not near as tough as you, Don. After your running from slammer and Scotty,
I'm wondering how you can talk about another not being 'tough'.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On 7/25/2015 4:57 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".

I'm surely not near as tough as you, Don. After your running from slammer and Scotty,
I'm wondering how you can talk about another not being 'tough'.


Donnie's so tough that he sits back and sips the wine while wifey does
the manly chores like pushing the boat around the yard and mowing the
patch of grass out front.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 7/25/15 4:57 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".

I'm surely not near as tough as you, Don. After your running from slammer and Scotty,
I'm wondering how you can talk about another not being 'tough'.


Herring trolls...

On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 07:15:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/25/15 4:57 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".

I'm surely not near as tough as you, Don. After your running from slammer and Scotty,
I'm wondering how you can talk about another not being 'tough'.


Herring trolls...

No, a response to Don's comment. Learn to read.
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Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

JohnnyMop flushes his head....


"I'm surely not near as tough as you, Don. After your running from slammer and Scotty,
I'm wondering how you can talk about another not being 'tough'."



WOW!
Now you're talking just like your two lowest ranking Moppetts. Hard to believe you were an officer in the US Army.