On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".

I'm surely not near as tough as you, Don. After your running from slammer and Scotty,
I'm wondering how you can talk about another not being 'tough'.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 02:28:16 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:56:09 -0400, John H.
wrote:

CBS has pretty much made the traditional bricklayer obsolete. You can
do "Berlin wall" quality block work if you are insulating and dry
walling the inside and putting 1/2" of stucco on the outside.
All you see is the drywall and stucco finish. That is usually textured
to hide even more defects.
Strength is not much of an issue when you are doweling at least 16% of
the cells and the top 16" is solid concrete with four #5s in it.

Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!
--

The Berlin wall was tough, but it was not pretty work. Block work
under stucco does not have to be pretty.

We must be talking different parts. In Berlin, close to 'Checkpoint Charlie', the
wall was slabs of concrete, not blocks.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On 7/25/2015 4:57 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".

I'm surely not near as tough as you, Don. After your running from slammer and Scotty,
I'm wondering how you can talk about another not being 'tough'.


Donnie's so tough that he sits back and sips the wine while wifey does
the manly chores like pushing the boat around the yard and mowing the
patch of grass out front.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 7/25/15 2:26 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:53:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I wasn't thinking of the Navy when I posted the above, but you are
certainly correct. Some of the best tradespeople are military trained
... Navy SeaBees is an excellent example. I worked with them for a
while doing electrical work. I am sure the Army and other service
branches have excellent schools and training programs as well.



I did a little looking into these apprenticeship programs. The typical
ones I looked had 360 hours of class time spread out over 4 years. If
this was the navy, IBM or just about anyone who actually wants to get
people trained in a reasonable time would run this whole thing in
about 8-10 weeks.

I understand that there is also the "experience" part of the training
but that should be done on the job.



And once again, you display your ignorance. The "experience" part of the
training *is* done on the job. Most of the training, in fact, is done on
the job under the watchful eyes of journeymen. Only the first couple of
weeks, typically, are entirely classroom, and a good part of that time
is spent working on mockups.

I'll say this...you are a leading advocate for the dumbing down of
America and the cheapening of labor and the skills of working men and
women.

On 7/25/15 4:57 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".

I'm surely not near as tough as you, Don. After your running from slammer and Scotty,
I'm wondering how you can talk about another not being 'tough'.


Herring trolls...

On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 07:15:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/25/15 4:57 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".

I'm surely not near as tough as you, Don. After your running from slammer and Scotty,
I'm wondering how you can talk about another not being 'tough'.


Herring trolls...

No, a response to Don's comment. Learn to read.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On 7/25/15 7:26 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 07:15:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/25/15 4:57 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".

I'm surely not near as tough as you, Don. After your running from slammer and Scotty,
I'm wondering how you can talk about another not being 'tough'.


Herring trolls...

No, a response to Don's comment. Learn to read.


Oh...so if you troll, it isn't a troll. I get it.

On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 07:39:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/25/15 7:26 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 07:15:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/25/15 4:57 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".

I'm surely not near as tough as you, Don. After your running from slammer and Scotty,
I'm wondering how you can talk about another not being 'tough'.


Herring trolls...

No, a response to Don's comment. Learn to read.


Oh...so if you troll, it isn't a troll. I get it.

Are you playing stupid today? Did you not see Don's post? A response is a response.

I'm sure Don appreciates your coming to his aid.
--

Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On 7/25/2015 7:14 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 7/25/15 2:26 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:53:49 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I wasn't thinking of the Navy when I posted the above, but you are
certainly correct. Some of the best tradespeople are military trained
... Navy SeaBees is an excellent example. I worked with them for a
while doing electrical work. I am sure the Army and other service
branches have excellent schools and training programs as well.



I did a little looking into these apprenticeship programs. The typical
ones I looked had 360 hours of class time spread out over 4 years. If
this was the navy, IBM or just about anyone who actually wants to get
people trained in a reasonable time would run this whole thing in
about 8-10 weeks.

I understand that there is also the "experience" part of the training
but that should be done on the job.



And once again, you display your ignorance. The "experience" part of the
training *is* done on the job. Most of the training, in fact, is done on
the job under the watchful eyes of journeymen. Only the first couple of
weeks, typically, are entirely classroom, and a good part of that time
is spent working on mockups.

I'll say this...you are a leading advocate for the dumbing down of
America and the cheapening of labor and the skills of working men and
women.


Two weeks of classroom instruction? Wow.

The training program to become a Construction Electrician (SeeBees) in
the Navy starts with a 20 week school. This is classroom instruction
and practical labs. After completing the school the "on the job"
training and experience starts at the first duty station.

The training program to become an Electrician's Mate (EM) in the Navy
starts with an 18 week school. Same as above in terms of classroom,
labs and on the job training after graduation.

My son-in-law was an EM in the Navy. After leaving the Navy he worked
as an electrician while attending night school 3 evenings a week for a
year to get his Massachusetts license. He's now back in school at night
to get his Master's license.

I'd say the Navy and non-union civilian schools require a lot more
training than your union friends receive, eh?

On 7/25/15 7:43 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 07:39:01 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/25/15 7:26 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 07:15:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 7/25/15 4:57 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


The Johnny sez...

"Explain the 'Berlin Wall' analogy, please. I spent some time with a three pound
hammer and chisel trying to get some chunks from the wall right before it came all
the way down. That was one tough son of a bitch!"


Maybe the one swinging the hammer wasn't so "tough".

I'm surely not near as tough as you, Don. After your running from slammer and Scotty,
I'm wondering how you can talk about another not being 'tough'.


Herring trolls...

No, a response to Don's comment. Learn to read.


Oh...so if you troll, it isn't a troll. I get it.

Are you playing stupid today? Did you not see Don's post? A response is a response.

I'm sure Don appreciates your coming to his aid.


So, when you troll, it isn't a troll. I get it.