On 6/13/15 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 13:32:17 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 6/13/2015 1:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Greg, that's one thing about our little Midwest area. We have water but it seems like not enough of it. That sounds odd but our town has done surveys to invite manufacturing industries , and that's the stopper. "We don't have enough water".

So... That's the main concern here .

Water is going to be a much greater problem than oil in the 21st
century. The problem is that the things that might smooth out the
flood vs drought problems come with an environmental cost we are
unlikely to accept. China is not bothered by things like that. They
are changing the ecology of vast areas of China and not really
thinking that much of the consequences. It is somewhat like the US was
during the FDR administration when we were damming up major rivers and
flooding vast areas of the landscape out west to save water while
channelizing rivers in other places to get rid of fresh water. Both
created ecological disasters.
Now we are trying to restore the old "lazy" rivers in Florida and they
are blowing up dams all over to restore natural flows and reestablish
fish runs,

It would help if county water commissions didn't grant companies like
Nestle carte-blanche to pump water from our aquifers.

I doubt Nestle uses more water than a golf course and certainly
nothing like an almond orchard..



725 million gallons a year just for its bottled water products in
California.

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 12:55:18 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 13:32:17 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 6/13/2015 1:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Greg, that's one thing about our little Midwest area. We have water but it seems like not enough of it. That sounds odd but our town has done surveys to invite manufacturing industries , and that's the stopper. "We don't have enough water".

So... That's the main concern here .

Water is going to be a much greater problem than oil in the 21st
century. The problem is that the things that might smooth out the
flood vs drought problems come with an environmental cost we are
unlikely to accept. China is not bothered by things like that. They
are changing the ecology of vast areas of China and not really
thinking that much of the consequences. It is somewhat like the US was
during the FDR administration when we were damming up major rivers and
flooding vast areas of the landscape out west to save water while
channelizing rivers in other places to get rid of fresh water. Both
created ecological disasters.
Now we are trying to restore the old "lazy" rivers in Florida and they
are blowing up dams all over to restore natural flows and reestablish
fish runs,

It would help if county water commissions didn't grant companies like
Nestle carte-blanche to pump water from our aquifers.

I doubt Nestle uses more water than a golf course and certainly
nothing like an almond orchard..

Don't know the stats, but you could be right. And I'm sure it depends on the area too.

On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:40:31 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 6/13/15 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 13:32:17 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 6/13/2015 1:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Greg, that's one thing about our little Midwest area. We have water but it seems like not enough of it. That sounds odd but our town has done surveys to invite manufacturing industries , and that's the stopper. "We don't have enough water".

So... That's the main concern here .

Water is going to be a much greater problem than oil in the 21st
century. The problem is that the things that might smooth out the
flood vs drought problems come with an environmental cost we are
unlikely to accept. China is not bothered by things like that. They
are changing the ecology of vast areas of China and not really
thinking that much of the consequences. It is somewhat like the US was
during the FDR administration when we were damming up major rivers and
flooding vast areas of the landscape out west to save water while
channelizing rivers in other places to get rid of fresh water. Both
created ecological disasters.
Now we are trying to restore the old "lazy" rivers in Florida and they
are blowing up dams all over to restore natural flows and reestablish
fish runs,

It would help if county water commissions didn't grant companies like
Nestle carte-blanche to pump water from our aquifers.

I doubt Nestle uses more water than a golf course and certainly
nothing like an almond orchard..



725 million gallons a year just for its bottled water products in
California.

===

The agriculture folks measure water in acre-feet, i.e., the amount of
water needed to cover one acre of land with one foot of water.

725 million gallons sounds like a lot of water but it is only about
2,100 acre-feet, a mere drop in the bucket by agricultural standards.
It's also important to note that bottled water products do not go to
waste - they eventually get consumed by human beings.

On 6/13/2015 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 13:32:17 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 6/13/2015 1:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Greg, that's one thing about our little Midwest area. We have water but it seems like not enough of it. That sounds odd but our town has done surveys to invite manufacturing industries , and that's the stopper. "We don't have enough water".

So... That's the main concern here .

Water is going to be a much greater problem than oil in the 21st
century. The problem is that the things that might smooth out the
flood vs drought problems come with an environmental cost we are
unlikely to accept. China is not bothered by things like that. They
are changing the ecology of vast areas of China and not really
thinking that much of the consequences. It is somewhat like the US was
during the FDR administration when we were damming up major rivers and
flooding vast areas of the landscape out west to save water while
channelizing rivers in other places to get rid of fresh water. Both
created ecological disasters.
Now we are trying to restore the old "lazy" rivers in Florida and they
are blowing up dams all over to restore natural flows and reestablish
fish runs,

It would help if county water commissions didn't grant companies like
Nestle carte-blanche to pump water from our aquifers.

I doubt Nestle uses more water than a golf course and certainly
nothing like an almond orchard..


http://stopnestlewaters.org/tag/florida

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 6/13/15 8:46 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 16:40:31 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 6/13/15 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 13:32:17 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 6/13/2015 1:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 09:22:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Greg, that's one thing about our little Midwest area. We have water but it seems like not enough of it. That sounds odd but our town has done surveys to invite manufacturing industries , and that's the stopper. "We don't have enough water".

So... That's the main concern here .

Water is going to be a much greater problem than oil in the 21st
century. The problem is that the things that might smooth out the
flood vs drought problems come with an environmental cost we are
unlikely to accept. China is not bothered by things like that. They
are changing the ecology of vast areas of China and not really
thinking that much of the consequences. It is somewhat like the US was
during the FDR administration when we were damming up major rivers and
flooding vast areas of the landscape out west to save water while
channelizing rivers in other places to get rid of fresh water. Both
created ecological disasters.
Now we are trying to restore the old "lazy" rivers in Florida and they
are blowing up dams all over to restore natural flows and reestablish
fish runs,

It would help if county water commissions didn't grant companies like
Nestle carte-blanche to pump water from our aquifers.

I doubt Nestle uses more water than a golf course and certainly
nothing like an almond orchard..



725 million gallons a year just for its bottled water products in
California.
A golf course can use 15-20 million gallons a month
That is tame compared to the crops they are growing in the desert in
California.
Pretty much all of the water they use is piped in.


Indeed, Florida is well-known for wasting its limited supplies of
potable water on golf courses, and for its rolling droughts. Years ago,
when we lived in NE Florida, lawn watering, even with shallow wells just
for that purpose, was not allowed. What color is your lawn? Green,
brown? Burnt out?

SE Florida and North Central Florida are not doing well, salt water is
seeping into your aquifer because the oceans are rising. Fun, fun, fun.

http://climatecenter.fsu.edu/topics/drought

On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 20:52:09 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 17:24:46 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:



http://stopnestlewaters.org/tag/florida

I would be upset about half a million gallons of water if I didn't
have 50,000 "neighbors" putting an inch of water a day on their lawn.

===

There are people who hate Nestle just because they are a big
multi-national company. That's nonsense. I grew up in a town where
Nestle was a major employer. They were widely regarded has the best
job in town because of their generous compensation and benefits.

On 6/13/2015 8:52 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 17:24:46 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:



http://stopnestlewaters.org/tag/florida

I would be upset about half a million gallons of water if I didn't
have 50,000 "neighbors" putting an inch of water a day on their lawn.


No water restrictions in your neighborhood? Maybe that's why you don't
care about your gov't awarding licenses to suck our aquifers dry, for
profit. What a deal. The water we use finds it's way back to the
aquifer, enriched by chemicals laid down by farmers, golf course owners,
and lawn worshipers.
--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 6/14/15 10:40 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 08:08:48 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 6/13/2015 8:52 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 17:24:46 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:



http://stopnestlewaters.org/tag/florida

I would be upset about half a million gallons of water if I didn't
have 50,000 "neighbors" putting an inch of water a day on their lawn.


No water restrictions in your neighborhood? Maybe that's why you don't
care about your gov't awarding licenses to suck our aquifers dry, for
profit. What a deal. The water we use finds it's way back to the
aquifer, enriched by chemicals laid down by farmers, golf course owners,
and lawn worshipers.

The water restrictions are toothless.
I have no problem with charging water companies for the water they
sell but I am not going to let that "anti bottled water" hysteria over
inflate their impact on the aquifer. The people who drink that water
would be drinking something. By the time your average tap water
drinker lets the water run until it is cold and then washes the glass,
they use about 10 times as much water as actually gets in their mouth.


By the time the oil from that exploded rig finished leaking into the
Gulf, it will be so dispersed you'll never even notice it. By the time
the oil that leaks from that new midwest pipeline finishes seeping into
the aquifer there, making the water undrinkable, you'll never notice it.
Repeal the EPA.

On 6/14/2015 10:40 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 08:08:48 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 6/13/2015 8:52 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 17:24:46 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:



http://stopnestlewaters.org/tag/florida

I would be upset about half a million gallons of water if I didn't
have 50,000 "neighbors" putting an inch of water a day on their lawn.


No water restrictions in your neighborhood? Maybe that's why you don't
care about your gov't awarding licenses to suck our aquifers dry, for
profit. What a deal. The water we use finds it's way back to the
aquifer, enriched by chemicals laid down by farmers, golf course owners,
and lawn worshipers.

The water restrictions are toothless.
I have no problem with charging water companies for the water they
sell but I am not going to let that "anti bottled water" hysteria over
inflate their impact on the aquifer. The people who drink that water
would be drinking something. By the time your average tap water
drinker lets the water run until it is cold and then washes the glass,
they use about 10 times as much water as actually gets in their mouth.

The lawn worshippers are far worse for the environment than golf
courses and farmers. The golf course managers and farmers actually
read and follow the label on the container. They have a financial
interest in using as little as they can. Most homeowners go by the
theory, "if a little is good, a lot is better".

If you don't want your argument to appear toothless, show some facts and
statistics. On golf courses, only the greens need to be green. The rest
can be like your yard. :-)

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 11:18:32 -0400, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On golf courses, only the greens need to be green.

===

Blasphemy!

It is impossible to make a proper divot on brown grass. :-)