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On 2/27/2015 7:21 PM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:51:03 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:39:46 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:25:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

It must be interesting (not) to live in such a state of "wonderment" or
fear that you make sure you don't get those awful "graphics" with some
of your emails.

===

Surely even you know better than that. The graphics aren't an issue.
It's the scripting behind the graphics that can cause mischief.

I try not to confuse Harry with too much technical chatter. He will
call me a hobbyist and snerk.

I wonder what pills Harry takes for his inflamed back.

Osteopenia and an inflamed back? He's a mess, isn't he?

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Keyser SÃ¶ze

On 2/27/15 4:50 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:25:56 -0500, Keyser SÃ¶ze
wrote:

On 2/27/15 4:19 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:39:30 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:12:27 -0500, wrote:

Why should a person who sits there all day watching cat
videos and streamed movies be paying the same price as someone who
just checks their E-mail a couple times a day?

===

I've got an idea, let's invent something called "dial-up service" with
a modem.

Or maybe we could design an acoustical coupler for a cell phone. :-)

If all you are doing is text E-mail and usenet, dialup works just
fine. My connection defaults to dial up if the broadband is down and I
barely notice the difference here until I click a link to a web site.
Back when I had Comcast, I was using dial up a lot. Now with my DSL,
it is very rare.

I am sure a coupler would work fine on a cell phone if you could
actually get the speaker and mikes coupled. You might be stuck with
2400 BPS though. I am not sure quadrature modulation would work on the
compressed cell signal. I never even saw a V.34 connection with a
coupler on a land line. The 5x kb v.90 is out of the question. That
requires landline infrastructure that is not in a cell tower.

It might be an interesting hack if I could come up with a
coupler/modem.

As far as the original assertion, a person just looking at E-mail
these days will still be getting quite a bit of graphic content,
before they even get the E-mail client open if they use any of the
services like Yahoo, AOL, MSN etc.
I am still running AOL 7 for my mail, just because there is virtually
no graphic content and it will not run scripts. When I get that script
error message on what looks like an innocuous note, I wonder what they
were trying to do to me.

It must be interesting (not) to live in such a state of "wonderment" or
fear that you make sure you don't get those awful "graphics" with some
of your emails.

I don't use Yahoo, AOL, or MSN for incoming email, but I still get and
accept graphics with emails from a number of those entities that send me
emails.

DSL is broadband? Wow...it must have had quantum leaps in technology. I
always thought it was really slow compared to cable.

We dumped out dialup carrier years ago when we went to smartphones. Once
in a while the cable service goes down and if it does, the cell net
usually is still up and delivering email or web services.

DSL is 10 meg and the reliability is far better than Comcast, no
matter how fast it is when it works. 10 meg all the time is a whole
lot better that 30 meg that is down at least once a day.
What, exactly are you streaming that needs more than 10 meg?
I think you are probably an audiophool who can hear the oxygen in your
speaker cables too,

If you need an animated graphic of a monkey ****ing a football in the
corner of your screen to read a text E-mail, you are the perfect
internet customer for the people who are going to be metering your
service by the byte.

Once in a while Comcast goes down because a tree has fallen on the
overhead wires that carry its signal before it gets to the underground
wires on our street. If that happens, the odds are DSL will go down,
too, for the same reason.

So, you must get a lot of emails with a "monkey ****ing a football," eh?
Figures.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Mr. Luddite

On 2/27/2015 4:50 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:25:56 -0500, Keyser SÃ¶ze
wrote:

On 2/27/15 4:19 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:39:30 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 12:12:27 -0500, wrote:

Why should a person who sits there all day watching cat
videos and streamed movies be paying the same price as someone who
just checks their E-mail a couple times a day?

===

I've got an idea, let's invent something called "dial-up service" with
a modem.

Or maybe we could design an acoustical coupler for a cell phone. :-)

If all you are doing is text E-mail and usenet, dialup works just
fine. My connection defaults to dial up if the broadband is down and I
barely notice the difference here until I click a link to a web site.
Back when I had Comcast, I was using dial up a lot. Now with my DSL,
it is very rare.

I am sure a coupler would work fine on a cell phone if you could
actually get the speaker and mikes coupled. You might be stuck with
2400 BPS though. I am not sure quadrature modulation would work on the
compressed cell signal. I never even saw a V.34 connection with a
coupler on a land line. The 5x kb v.90 is out of the question. That
requires landline infrastructure that is not in a cell tower.

It might be an interesting hack if I could come up with a
coupler/modem.

As far as the original assertion, a person just looking at E-mail
these days will still be getting quite a bit of graphic content,
before they even get the E-mail client open if they use any of the
services like Yahoo, AOL, MSN etc.
I am still running AOL 7 for my mail, just because there is virtually
no graphic content and it will not run scripts. When I get that script
error message on what looks like an innocuous note, I wonder what they
were trying to do to me.

It must be interesting (not) to live in such a state of "wonderment" or
fear that you make sure you don't get those awful "graphics" with some
of your emails.

I don't use Yahoo, AOL, or MSN for incoming email, but I still get and
accept graphics with emails from a number of those entities that send me
emails.

DSL is broadband? Wow...it must have had quantum leaps in technology. I
always thought it was really slow compared to cable.

We dumped out dialup carrier years ago when we went to smartphones. Once
in a while the cable service goes down and if it does, the cell net
usually is still up and delivering email or web services.

DSL is 10 meg and the reliability is far better than Comcast, no
matter how fast it is when it works. 10 meg all the time is a whole
lot better that 30 meg that is down at least once a day.
What, exactly are you streaming that needs more than 10 meg?
I think you are probably an audiophool who can hear the oxygen in your
speaker cables too,

If you need an animated graphic of a monkey ****ing a football in the
corner of your screen to read a text E-mail, you are the perfect
internet customer for the people who are going to be metering your
service by the byte.

I disagree.

We had DSL in the houses in Florida because cable was not available. It
was adequate for what we used it for at the time but was certainly
slower than the Comcast cable we had at the house in MA. The original
guitar shop I had also had DSL because the building I was renting space
in was not wired for cable. Again, it was adequate but was noticeably
slower than the cable service in the house and that was before our house
cable system was completely updated.

In past years we experienced numerous problems with Comcast but it turns
out they were related to the type of modem/wireless router they had
provided and the antiquated distribution system that was installed in
our house 14 years ago. About a year ago Comcast/Xfinity came out and
tore out all the old stuff and installed new, high bandwidth
distribution amps along with a new modem/router. They also increased
the speed from 25Mbs to over 100Mbs. Difference is night and day.
I can send and receive multiple high resolution images taken with my
camera and large video files via email with no problems. In the past
some of those files were too big to email and I'd have to use Dropbox
or some other method of transferring them to someone.

Reliability has been near 100 percent. During one of the recent snow
storms we lost cable service (both TV and Internet) for about a half
hour. Other than that I don't recall having an outage since the system
was updated and the new modem/router was installed.

Mr. Luddite

On 2/27/2015 10:05 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:25:43 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I disagree.

We had DSL in the houses in Florida because cable was not available. It
was adequate for what we used it for at the time but was certainly
slower than the Comcast cable we had at the house in MA. The original
guitar shop I had also had DSL because the building I was renting space
in was not wired for cable. Again, it was adequate but was noticeably
slower than the cable service in the house and that was before our house
cable system was completely updated.

In past years we experienced numerous problems with Comcast but it turns
out they were related to the type of modem/wireless router they had
provided and the antiquated distribution system that was installed in
our house 14 years ago. About a year ago Comcast/Xfinity came out and
tore out all the old stuff and installed new, high bandwidth
distribution amps along with a new modem/router. They also increased
the speed from 25Mbs to over 100Mbs. Difference is night and day.
I can send and receive multiple high resolution images taken with my
camera and large video files via email with no problems. In the past
some of those files were too big to email and I'd have to use Dropbox
or some other method of transferring them to someone.

Reliability has been near 100 percent. During one of the recent snow
storms we lost cable service (both TV and Internet) for about a half
hour. Other than that I don't recall having an outage since the system
was updated and the new modem/router was installed.

When I had my weather station up, I had to turn off the logging
because the log file was filling up too fast. Comcast was dropping out
several times a day, some times for several minutes, sometimes for
hours. After Charley, the TV was out for a week, the internet was out
for 2 weeks. The phone was up the whole time, even when the power was
out.
Wilma was a little better but not much. TV was down a couple days and
the net for a week.
You might lose a day after any little squall

I can't think of a time that I have lost POTS and DSL hasn't been down
more than a few hours in years,

Comcast is legendarily bad here. There is column griping about them in
today's paper. My wife has several commercial accounts at the club and
they are always having problems (internet and TV). They don't treat a
big commercial customer any better than a guy with basic cable.
It is just what happens when you do not have any competition.

When the tech visited to update our equipment he said that Comcast was
in the process of updating all subscriber's systems nationwide. Perhaps
they haven't got to your area yet.

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