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On 2/10/15 7:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 7:26 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 6:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is
determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or
lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a
prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has
*no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and
certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et
cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level
skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.




You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-)



Ah, yes. Well, as I am not "the expert" in everything, I hope you'll
excuse that memory lapse.

It is obvious that Greg's primary motivator is $$$. He doesn't give a
**** about capital punishment, beyond the fact that handing a
murderer a
suicide pill is cheaper than housing him for life, that he doesn't give
a rat's ass about the Middle East beyond cutting military aid ($$$) to
Israel, et cetera. A secondary motivator is to make himself feel better
about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did.





I would argue that you tend to put too much emphasis on why a degree
is required to be qualified in any particular subject or discipline.
There are plenty of examples of degree-less, self-taught and educated
people who have made major contributions to society (or simply had
successful careers in their chosen field of work). There are also
many examples of highly educated people holding multiple degrees who
are total failures or represent warped views that affect society.

I think the problem in a discussion group like rec.boats is how
information and opinions are presented. An "IMO" or "I think" before
stating a belief takes the edge off of what seems to bother you
regarding Greg. He posts his views as if they are certain fact, but
most are simply opinions that are viewed differently by others.

BTW ... you often post in the same manner, especially when it comes
to politics.



I think Greg is qualified to discuss snow and politics.


I have a hard won degree in engineering with a focus on communication
electronics and systems. Greg is far more knowledgeable of past and
current electronic communication systems (computers, etc.) than I ever
was or will ever be because I never used the formal education in the
field I ended up in. I don't even know how to program a DVR although
that's mainly because I have no interest in using them.

The field I worked in almost 40 years is heavy in physics backed with
mechanical and electrical engineering. There is no college level
degree program (at least there wasn't when I was still attending
school) in the technology I was involved with. A working understanding
of the technology requires self education, drawing from other fields
of study.





I didn't comment on Greg's knowledge of electronics communications
systems. I don't disagree that a lot of knowledge can come from being
self-taught but in a lot of cases, that knowledge needs the refinement
that only comes from an environment that includes formal education,
training, certification.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

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On 2/10/15 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.

===

In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to
remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how
you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated
fool.



Envy of what?

And of course I shall give your comment all the attention I give to your
genomate Slammer's posts.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

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On 2/10/15 8:29 AM, John H wrote:
On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 6:27:40 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert...

...in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell...

...because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.


--
Proud to be a Liberal.

That jealousy just eats you alive, doesn't it Krause.

Jealousy of what?




What bothers you is not his 'expertise' in any area, it's the fact that he has some
standing within the group. You, on the other hand, are considered a joke within the
group, with one or two exceptions.

This is a newsgroup full of little else but right-wingers. "Standing" in
a group of right-wingers is like winning an award sash from the Ku Klux
Klan.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

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On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:48:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/10/15 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.

===

In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to
remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how
you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated
fool.



Envy of what?

And of course I shall give your comment all the attention I give to your
genomate Slammer's posts.

===

Your problem Harry is that you don't know what you don't know, coupled
with an overdose of arrogance. You're blind to it. Perhaps you need
another degree to up your educated fool ante.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:51:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/10/15 8:29 AM, John H wrote:
On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 6:27:40 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert...

...in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell...

...because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.


--
Proud to be a Liberal.

That jealousy just eats you alive, doesn't it Krause.

Jealousy of what?




What bothers you is not his 'expertise' in any area, it's the fact that he has some
standing within the group. You, on the other hand, are considered a joke within the
group, with one or two exceptions.

This is a newsgroup full of little else but right-wingers. "Standing" in
a group of right-wingers is like winning an award sash from the Ku Klux
Klan.

From the support you get, it seems even your left-wing buddies are ashamed of you.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

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On 2/10/2015 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
There are also
many examples of highly educated people holding multiple degrees who
are total failures or represent warped views that affect society.

I think the problem in a discussion group like rec.boats is how
information and opinions are presented. An "IMO" or "I think" before
stating a belief takes the edge off of what seems to bother you
regarding Greg. He posts his views as if they are certain fact, but
most are simply opinions that are viewed differently by others.

BTW ... you often post in the same manner, especially when it comes
to politics.


Another contrast is that Harry is bat**** crazy. ;-)

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/10/2015 11:20 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:48:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/10/15 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.

===

In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to
remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how
you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated
fool.



Envy of what?

And of course I shall give your comment all the attention I give to your
genomate Slammer's posts.

===

Your problem Harry is that you don't know what you don't know, coupled
with an overdose of arrogance. You're blind to it. Perhaps you need
another degree to up your educated fool ante.


Harry's day isn't getting off to a very good start. GOOD!

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/10/2015 1:17 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:18:49 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/9/2015 12:00 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2015 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 07:33:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 7:28 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:


How about cracking rocks or shoveling snow. Nobody said a lifer's
existence should be easy. No TV or entertainment either. ;-)



Shoveling Snow! What an outstanding idea!



The only problem is they would only be able to shovel snow inside the
prison. Even in places where they will let inmates work outside the
wire, the number of places they can work are very limited for security
reasons and because they are not allowed to compete with "labor".

I see lots of prisoners working road details.

I have never seen that up here that I am aware of...

The unions are even stronger up there. They will not tolerate any
competition.

Used to have prisoners working here, but unions shot that down. When I
traveled in the South was when I have seen them in the last 50 years.



We often see jail work details cleaning trash on limited access highways
during the summer. They work out of the Plymouth Correctional Facility.
Usually it's about 10 workers with a corrections officer sitting in a van
supervising. I am sure they must be low risk inmates.
Never saw Whitey Bulger.

The only ones we get doing highway cleanup now are drunk drivers, etc.
working off community service.

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On 2/10/2015 9:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 7:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 7:26 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 6:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is
determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or
lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal
term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a
prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read
that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has
*no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and
certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et
cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for
anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level
skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.




You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-)



Ah, yes. Well, as I am not "the expert" in everything, I hope you'll
excuse that memory lapse.

It is obvious that Greg's primary motivator is $$$. He doesn't give a
**** about capital punishment, beyond the fact that handing a
murderer a
suicide pill is cheaper than housing him for life, that he doesn't
give
a rat's ass about the Middle East beyond cutting military aid ($$$) to
Israel, et cetera. A secondary motivator is to make himself feel
better
about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did.





I would argue that you tend to put too much emphasis on why a degree
is required to be qualified in any particular subject or discipline.
There are plenty of examples of degree-less, self-taught and educated
people who have made major contributions to society (or simply had
successful careers in their chosen field of work). There are also
many examples of highly educated people holding multiple degrees who
are total failures or represent warped views that affect society.

I think the problem in a discussion group like rec.boats is how
information and opinions are presented. An "IMO" or "I think" before
stating a belief takes the edge off of what seems to bother you
regarding Greg. He posts his views as if they are certain fact, but
most are simply opinions that are viewed differently by others.

BTW ... you often post in the same manner, especially when it comes
to politics.



I think Greg is qualified to discuss snow and politics.


I have a hard won degree in engineering with a focus on communication
electronics and systems. Greg is far more knowledgeable of past and
current electronic communication systems (computers, etc.) than I ever
was or will ever be because I never used the formal education in the
field I ended up in. I don't even know how to program a DVR although
that's mainly because I have no interest in using them.

The field I worked in almost 40 years is heavy in physics backed with
mechanical and electrical engineering. There is no college level
degree program (at least there wasn't when I was still attending
school) in the technology I was involved with. A working understanding
of the technology requires self education, drawing from other fields
of study.





I didn't comment on Greg's knowledge of electronics communications
systems. I don't disagree that a lot of knowledge can come from being
self-taught but in a lot of cases, that knowledge needs the refinement
that only comes from an environment that includes formal education,
training, certification.



"Lot of cases"? That's where I think you are wrong. The degree may
qualify you ... it's the main reason I pursued one ... in the eyes of
others but it doesn't mean you don't have the knowledge or expertise
to do your job. College doesn't teach that ... I know that for a fact.

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On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:28:44 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:50:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.




You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-)


You forgot
DOS (both the PC version and the 360/370 version), 360 assembler.
VM, VSE, MVS, OS/400, AIX, COBOL, and Autocoder.

===

I think you forgot 360/370 Channel Programming.