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KC February 8th 15 07:53 PM

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 
On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM,
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.

OK I'll play. If someone is so mentally damaged that they do not think
killing another person is a crime, why would we want them on the
planet with us? We certainly do not want them influencing anyone else
behavioral or genetically.




So, you are suggesting "murder" is genetic?

Mr. Luddite February 8th 15 09:26 PM

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 
On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM,
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.

OK I'll play. If someone is so mentally damaged that they do not think
killing another person is a crime, why would we want them on the
planet with us? We certainly do not want them influencing anyone else
behavioral or genetically.


That logic suggests anyone with a serious physical disability and is
dependent on others, including the government, for their
welfare should also be "eliminated". Don't need that burden, huh?

BTW ... what makes you think mental illness is hereditary?




Califbill February 8th 15 10:10 PM

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 12:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at
all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.



Indeed, our criminal justice system is based upon revenge and
bloodthirstyness, with, usually, racism tossed in for good measure.



Maybe it is more, put down the mad dog before he bites again.

Califbill February 8th 15 10:52 PM

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM,
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.

OK I'll play. If someone is so mentally damaged that they do not think
killing another person is a crime, why would we want them on the
planet with us? We certainly do not want them influencing anyone else
behavioral or genetically.


That logic suggests anyone with a serious physical disability and is
dependent on others, including the government, for their
welfare should also be "eliminated". Don't need that burden, huh?

BTW ... what makes you think mental illness is hereditary?


He stated behavioral as well as genetic. And yes, I think genetics can
pass on mental illness. Friend is bipolar. His dad was bipolar and
committed suicide early on. His daughter is bipolar. And Gregg stated
killing someone. Not just being mentally incapacitated.

KC February 8th 15 11:15 PM

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 
On 2/8/2015 5:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 12:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at
all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.



Indeed, our criminal justice system is based upon revenge and
bloodthirstyness, with, usually, racism tossed in for good measure.



Maybe it is more, put down the mad dog before he bites again.


I think there should be a line.. like there is now, let the jury decide
prison for life or death... At the same time (and this might surprise
some here) I feel that killing a cop, fireman, paramedic on duty should
always be death penalty, barring any severe circumstances...

Mr. Luddite February 8th 15 11:17 PM

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 
On 2/8/2015 5:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM,
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.

OK I'll play. If someone is so mentally damaged that they do not think
killing another person is a crime, why would we want them on the
planet with us? We certainly do not want them influencing anyone else
behavioral or genetically.


That logic suggests anyone with a serious physical disability and is
dependent on others, including the government, for their
welfare should also be "eliminated". Don't need that burden, huh?

BTW ... what makes you think mental illness is hereditary?


He stated behavioral as well as genetic. And yes, I think genetics can
pass on mental illness. Friend is bipolar. His dad was bipolar and
committed suicide early on. His daughter is bipolar. And Gregg stated
killing someone. Not just being mentally incapacitated.



Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

Keyser Söze February 8th 15 11:22 PM

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 
On 2/8/15 6:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 5:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM,
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at
all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line.
Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my
position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.

OK I'll play. If someone is so mentally damaged that they do not think
killing another person is a crime, why would we want them on the
planet with us? We certainly do not want them influencing anyone else
behavioral or genetically.

That logic suggests anyone with a serious physical disability and is
dependent on others, including the government, for their
welfare should also be "eliminated". Don't need that burden, huh?

BTW ... what makes you think mental illness is hereditary?


He stated behavioral as well as genetic. And yes, I think genetics can
pass on mental illness. Friend is bipolar. His dad was bipolar and
committed suicide early on. His daughter is bipolar. And Gregg stated
killing someone. Not just being mentally incapacitated.



Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?



Kinda of the WWII German approach about the insane...perhaps we can find
some surplus Zyklon B at a really low price to satisfy the boys.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Keyser Söze February 8th 15 11:23 PM

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 
On 2/8/15 6:15 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/8/2015 5:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 12:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at
all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull
the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my
position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.



Indeed, our criminal justice system is based upon revenge and
bloodthirstyness, with, usually, racism tossed in for good measure.



Maybe it is more, put down the mad dog before he bites again.


I think there should be a line.. like there is now, let the jury decide
prison for life or death... At the same time (and this might surprise
some here) I feel that killing a cop, fireman, paramedic on duty should
always be death penalty, barring any severe circumstances...



How about when a cop kills an unarmed civilian? A bonu$?



--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Keyser Söze February 8th 15 11:38 PM

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 
On 2/8/15 6:29 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:18:37 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/8/15 12:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM,
wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM,
wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at
all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.



Indeed, our criminal justice system is based upon revenge and
bloodthirstyness, with, usually, racism tossed in for good measure.


Kyles killer is a white guy but I understand there is no issue you
won't try to insert racism into.

I am amused that the same people who will lecture us on Darwin and
denigrate intelligent design will quickly put some mystical value on
the life of a defective gene holder that is polluting the pool.
You have no problem aborting them in the womb on the advice of one
doctor but if they get due process and several appeals we still can't
kill them once we can prove they do not deserve to breath our air.

Did you really want Tim McVeigh to write books and have his own
reality show?



I said "usually" racism. Usually does not mean always. The rest of your
comment is just silly, especially the part about the womb. The murderer
obviously passed the military's mental health exams, eh? :)

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Mr. Luddite February 9th 15 04:23 AM

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 
On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.


There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?


It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)




I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think
any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine
who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision.


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