Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/chris-kyles-killer-complains-american-sniper-films-success-will-make-fair-trial-impossible/

Today the talking heads were saying that the killer would find a fair trial rough
anywhere in the country.

But I'm thinking they should just try to find some Krause and Pelosi fans. How about
San Francisco? That should be liberal enough.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/7/15 4:49 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/chris-kyles-killer-complains-american-sniper-films-success-will-make-fair-trial-impossible/

Today the talking heads were saying that the killer would find a fair trial rough
anywhere in the country.

But I'm thinking they should just try to find some Krause and Pelosi fans. How about
San Francisco? That should be liberal enough.


Obviously, John, behaving reasonably in here really is difficult for you.

Didn't I read that the fellow who shot the sniper had serious mental
health issues? Even in the article you referenced?

"Eddie Ray Routh’s struggle with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)
is what brought together with Kyle and Littlefield, who were reportedly
on the remote shooting range in order to help him. However, at some
point during their outing, Routh told his sister and brother-in-law that
“he couldn’t trust [Kyle and Littlefield] so he killed them before they
could kill him.”

"Routh — a former Marine sharpshooter — had been in and out of the Green
Oaks Psychiatric Hospital at least twice in the five months prior to the
killings for threatening to kill himself and members of his family."

A bit of paranoid schizophrenia, eh?

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:06:13 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/7/15 4:49 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/chris-kyles-killer-complains-american-sniper-films-success-will-make-fair-trial-impossible/

Today the talking heads were saying that the killer would find a fair trial rough
anywhere in the country.

But I'm thinking they should just try to find some Krause and Pelosi fans. How about
San Francisco? That should be liberal enough.


Obviously, John, behaving reasonably in here really is difficult for you.

Didn't I read that the fellow who shot the sniper had serious mental
health issues? Even in the article you referenced?

"Eddie Ray Routh’s struggle with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)
is what brought together with Kyle and Littlefield, who were reportedly
on the remote shooting range in order to help him. However, at some
point during their outing, Routh told his sister and brother-in-law that
“he couldn’t trust [Kyle and Littlefield] so he killed them before they
could kill him.”

"Routh — a former Marine sharpshooter — had been in and out of the Green
Oaks Psychiatric Hospital at least twice in the five months prior to the
killings for threatening to kill himself and members of his family."

A bit of paranoid schizophrenia, eh?

What was unreasonable about my suggestion?
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/7/15 5:26 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:06:13 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/7/15 4:49 PM, Abit Loco wrote:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/chris-kyles-killer-complains-american-sniper-films-success-will-make-fair-trial-impossible/

Today the talking heads were saying that the killer would find a fair trial rough
anywhere in the country.

But I'm thinking they should just try to find some Krause and Pelosi fans. How about
San Francisco? That should be liberal enough.


Obviously, John, behaving reasonably in here really is difficult for you.

Didn't I read that the fellow who shot the sniper had serious mental
health issues? Even in the article you referenced?

"Eddie Ray Routh’s struggle with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)
is what brought together with Kyle and Littlefield, who were reportedly
on the remote shooting range in order to help him. However, at some
point during their outing, Routh told his sister and brother-in-law that
“he couldn’t trust [Kyle and Littlefield] so he killed them before they
could kill him.”

"Routh — a former Marine sharpshooter — had been in and out of the Green
Oaks Psychiatric Hospital at least twice in the five months prior to the
killings for threatening to kill himself and members of his family."

A bit of paranoid schizophrenia, eh?

What was unreasonable about my suggestion?


If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/8/2015 7:49 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Only if they've committed a capital crime. I love your reveals. They say
so much about who and what you are, Herr Krause.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/8/15 12:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at
all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.



Indeed, our criminal justice system is based upon revenge and
bloodthirstyness, with, usually, racism tossed in for good measure.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:18:37 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/8/15 12:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at
all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.



Indeed, our criminal justice system is based upon revenge and
bloodthirstyness, with, usually, racism tossed in for good measure.

===

I'm in favor of the death penalty for tax cheats and fraud artists
with nary a hint of racism.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.

OK I'll play. If someone is so mentally damaged that they do not think
killing another person is a crime, why would we want them on the
planet with us? We certainly do not want them influencing anyone else
behavioral or genetically.




So, you are suggesting "murder" is genetic?

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.

OK I'll play. If someone is so mentally damaged that they do not think
killing another person is a crime, why would we want them on the
planet with us? We certainly do not want them influencing anyone else
behavioral or genetically.

That logic suggests anyone with a serious physical disability and is
dependent on others, including the government, for their
welfare should also be "eliminated". Don't need that burden, huh?

BTW ... what makes you think mental illness is hereditary?

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 12:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at
all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.



Indeed, our criminal justice system is based upon revenge and
bloodthirstyness, with, usually, racism tossed in for good measure.


Maybe it is more, put down the mad dog before he bites again.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.

OK I'll play. If someone is so mentally damaged that they do not think
killing another person is a crime, why would we want them on the
planet with us? We certainly do not want them influencing anyone else
behavioral or genetically.

That logic suggests anyone with a serious physical disability and is
dependent on others, including the government, for their
welfare should also be "eliminated". Don't need that burden, huh?

BTW ... what makes you think mental illness is hereditary?

He stated behavioral as well as genetic. And yes, I think genetics can
pass on mental illness. Friend is bipolar. His dad was bipolar and
committed suicide early on. His daughter is bipolar. And Gregg stated
killing someone. Not just being mentally incapacitated.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/8/2015 5:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 12:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at
all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.



Indeed, our criminal justice system is based upon revenge and
bloodthirstyness, with, usually, racism tossed in for good measure.


Maybe it is more, put down the mad dog before he bites again.


I think there should be a line.. like there is now, let the jury decide
prison for life or death... At the same time (and this might surprise
some here) I feel that killing a cop, fireman, paramedic on duty should
always be death penalty, barring any severe circumstances...

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/8/2015 5:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.

OK I'll play. If someone is so mentally damaged that they do not think
killing another person is a crime, why would we want them on the
planet with us? We certainly do not want them influencing anyone else
behavioral or genetically.

That logic suggests anyone with a serious physical disability and is
dependent on others, including the government, for their
welfare should also be "eliminated". Don't need that burden, huh?

BTW ... what makes you think mental illness is hereditary?

He stated behavioral as well as genetic. And yes, I think genetics can
pass on mental illness. Friend is bipolar. His dad was bipolar and
committed suicide early on. His daughter is bipolar. And Gregg stated
killing someone. Not just being mentally incapacitated.



Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/8/15 6:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 5:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at
all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line.
Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my
position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.

OK I'll play. If someone is so mentally damaged that they do not think
killing another person is a crime, why would we want them on the
planet with us? We certainly do not want them influencing anyone else
behavioral or genetically.

That logic suggests anyone with a serious physical disability and is
dependent on others, including the government, for their
welfare should also be "eliminated". Don't need that burden, huh?

BTW ... what makes you think mental illness is hereditary?

He stated behavioral as well as genetic. And yes, I think genetics can
pass on mental illness. Friend is bipolar. His dad was bipolar and
committed suicide early on. His daughter is bipolar. And Gregg stated
killing someone. Not just being mentally incapacitated.



Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?


Kinda of the WWII German approach about the insane...perhaps we can find
some surplus Zyklon B at a really low price to satisfy the boys.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/8/15 6:15 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/8/2015 5:10 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 12:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at
all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull
the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my
position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.



Indeed, our criminal justice system is based upon revenge and
bloodthirstyness, with, usually, racism tossed in for good measure.


Maybe it is more, put down the mad dog before he bites again.


I think there should be a line.. like there is now, let the jury decide
prison for life or death... At the same time (and this might surprise
some here) I feel that killing a cop, fireman, paramedic on duty should
always be death penalty, barring any severe circumstances...


How about when a cop kills an unarmed civilian? A bonu$?



--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/8/15 6:29 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:18:37 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/8/15 12:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at
all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.



Indeed, our criminal justice system is based upon revenge and
bloodthirstyness, with, usually, racism tossed in for good measure.

Kyles killer is a white guy but I understand there is no issue you
won't try to insert racism into.

I am amused that the same people who will lecture us on Darwin and
denigrate intelligent design will quickly put some mystical value on
the life of a defective gene holder that is polluting the pool.
You have no problem aborting them in the womb on the advice of one
doctor but if they get due process and several appeals we still can't
kill them once we can prove they do not deserve to breath our air.

Did you really want Tim McVeigh to write books and have his own
reality show?



I said "usually" racism. Usually does not mean always. The rest of your
comment is just silly, especially the part about the womb. The murderer
obviously passed the military's mental health exams, eh? :)

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)




I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think
any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine
who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2015 5:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.

OK I'll play. If someone is so mentally damaged that they do not think
killing another person is a crime, why would we want them on the
planet with us? We certainly do not want them influencing anyone else
behavioral or genetically.

That logic suggests anyone with a serious physical disability and is
dependent on others, including the government, for their
welfare should also be "eliminated". Don't need that burden, huh?

BTW ... what makes you think mental illness is hereditary?

He stated behavioral as well as genetic. And yes, I think genetics can
pass on mental illness. Friend is bipolar. His dad was bipolar and
committed suicide early on. His daughter is bipolar. And Gregg stated
killing someone. Not just being mentally incapacitated.



Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.
.
So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney?

Actually as I told the judge on the last murder 1 jury summons I got. I
can go either way on the death penalty. We really do not have one now.
More likely to die of old age. And I think the last cost estimate to
execute someone in this state is in excess of $4.5 million dollars. At
least put them away for life. And someone killing someone is not
necessarily guilty of an death penalty crime. Lots are. But getting off
because you are insane is insane of society.

And most are ADD not bi-polar. And my mother in law was definitely
bi-,polar. As an aside on bipolar. Lots of bipolar are very functional.
Very successful. Richard Branson for one. My aquintance said probably the
reason he was rich. Mostly on the high end, and bought and sold numerous
companies. As he was always going.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 6:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 5:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at
all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line.
Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my
position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.

OK I'll play. If someone is so mentally damaged that they do not think
killing another person is a crime, why would we want them on the
planet with us? We certainly do not want them influencing anyone else
behavioral or genetically.

That logic suggests anyone with a serious physical disability and is
dependent on others, including the government, for their
welfare should also be "eliminated". Don't need that burden, huh?

BTW ... what makes you think mental illness is hereditary?

He stated behavioral as well as genetic. And yes, I think genetics can
pass on mental illness. Friend is bipolar. His dad was bipolar and
committed suicide early on. His daughter is bipolar. And Gregg stated
killing someone. Not just being mentally incapacitated.



Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?


Kinda of the WWII German approach about the insane...perhaps we can find
some surplus Zyklon B at a really low price to satisfy the boys.


Not even related to the discussion!

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/9/2015 12:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 23:23:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)




I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think
any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine
who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision.

I think it may have a bad past with poor people not getting a decent
defense but that is largely in the past. I still think we need
something more than simply warehousing a person for life, if that is
also the penalty for a serious drug charge.
Once you have sentenced a person to life, what else can you do to them
when they kill again?
What is the benefit to society in keeping them alive if you have
already said they are sentenced to death by prison? You are only
creating a more dangerous environment for the other inmates and the
correctional officers when these guys know they can't be punished any
more, no matter what they do.



You make the argument that it's just more "convenient" to execute them.
I just don't accept that anyone has the right to terminate a life.

Maybe making the prison environment for life sentences less pleasant is
an option. Work for food. Work for any type of privileges. Work for
the right to have a TV or any form of entertainment. Let the inmate
make the decision on how he wants to spend the rest of his life.
Stop worrying so much about an inmate's quality of life. Make him
accountable for it.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/9/2015 2:44 AM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2015 5:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.

OK I'll play. If someone is so mentally damaged that they do not think
killing another person is a crime, why would we want them on the
planet with us? We certainly do not want them influencing anyone else
behavioral or genetically.

That logic suggests anyone with a serious physical disability and is
dependent on others, including the government, for their
welfare should also be "eliminated". Don't need that burden, huh?

BTW ... what makes you think mental illness is hereditary?

He stated behavioral as well as genetic. And yes, I think genetics can
pass on mental illness. Friend is bipolar. His dad was bipolar and
committed suicide early on. His daughter is bipolar. And Gregg stated
killing someone. Not just being mentally incapacitated.



Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.
.
So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney?

Actually as I told the judge on the last murder 1 jury summons I got. I
can go either way on the death penalty. We really do not have one now.
More likely to die of old age. And I think the last cost estimate to
execute someone in this state is in excess of $4.5 million dollars. At
least put them away for life. And someone killing someone is not
necessarily guilty of an death penalty crime. Lots are. But getting off
because you are insane is insane of society.

And most are ADD not bi-polar. And my mother in law was definitely
bi-,polar. As an aside on bipolar. Lots of bipolar are very functional.
Very successful. Richard Branson for one. My aquintance said probably the
reason he was rich. Mostly on the high end, and bought and sold numerous
companies. As he was always going.



Seems all I hear about now-a-days is kids and young people being
diagnosed with either depression or being bi-polar. Makes me wonder
how many of my (our) generation would have been diagnosed with the
same afflictions had the interest in the subjects been as high as it
is today.

Too many people are living on pills today.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/9/2015 4:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2015 12:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 23:23:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is
determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)




I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think
any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine
who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision.

I think it may have a bad past with poor people not getting a decent
defense but that is largely in the past. I still think we need
something more than simply warehousing a person for life, if that is
also the penalty for a serious drug charge.
Once you have sentenced a person to life, what else can you do to them
when they kill again?
What is the benefit to society in keeping them alive if you have
already said they are sentenced to death by prison? You are only
creating a more dangerous environment for the other inmates and the
correctional officers when these guys know they can't be punished any
more, no matter what they do.



You make the argument that it's just more "convenient" to execute them.
I just don't accept that anyone has the right to terminate a life.

Maybe making the prison environment for life sentences less pleasant is
an option. Work for food. Work for any type of privileges. Work for
the right to have a TV or any form of entertainment. Let the inmate
make the decision on how he wants to spend the rest of his life.
Stop worrying so much about an inmate's quality of life. Make him
accountable for it.


How about cracking rocks or shoveling snow. Nobody said a lifer's
existence should be easy. No TV or entertainment either. ;-)

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/9/2015 7:28 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2015 4:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2015 12:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 23:23:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is
determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)




I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think
any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine
who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision.

I think it may have a bad past with poor people not getting a decent
defense but that is largely in the past. I still think we need
something more than simply warehousing a person for life, if that is
also the penalty for a serious drug charge.
Once you have sentenced a person to life, what else can you do to them
when they kill again?
What is the benefit to society in keeping them alive if you have
already said they are sentenced to death by prison? You are only
creating a more dangerous environment for the other inmates and the
correctional officers when these guys know they can't be punished any
more, no matter what they do.



You make the argument that it's just more "convenient" to execute them.
I just don't accept that anyone has the right to terminate a life.

Maybe making the prison environment for life sentences less pleasant is
an option. Work for food. Work for any type of privileges. Work for
the right to have a TV or any form of entertainment. Let the inmate
make the decision on how he wants to spend the rest of his life.
Stop worrying so much about an inmate's quality of life. Make him
accountable for it.


How about cracking rocks or shoveling snow. Nobody said a lifer's
existence should be easy. No TV or entertainment either. ;-)



Shoveling Snow! What an outstanding idea!

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 11:23:37 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)




I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think
any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine
who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision.

Usually, the person who is being subjected to that life or death decision made that same decision for another human being. And they decided death.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/9/2015 7:56 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 11:23:37 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)




I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think
any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine
who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision.

Usually, the person who is being subjected to that life or death decision made that same decision for another human being. And they decided death.


So why is taking a life in return any less criminal or immoral?

I know it's a tough issue and in some cases I could probably be
convinced to change my mind. I think I'd favor more of a return
to hard labor and minimal, life enhancing privileges. Take away
the TV's, the basketball courts, visitation, etc. Let the convicted
murderer stew in thought for the rest of his/her life.

Maybe make a cyanide pill available if they decide life isn't worth
living anymore. Let *them* make the choice.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/9/2015 8:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Maybe make a cyanide pill available if they decide life isn't worth
living anymore. Let *them* make the choice.

I had the exact same thought, But I didn't want to open this up to a
Kavorkian discussion.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/9/2015 8:47 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/9/2015 8:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Maybe make a cyanide pill available if they decide life isn't worth
living anymore. Let *them* make the choice.

I had the exact same thought, But I didn't want to open this up to a
Kavorkian discussion.



I have no problem with people having the option of dying rather than
living a hopeless life due to terminal sickness, etc.

I'd have no problem with a convicted, imprisoned murderer deciding to
end it all either.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/9/2015 11:31 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 07:28:05 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 4:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2015 12:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 23:23:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is
determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)




I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think
any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine
who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision.

I think it may have a bad past with poor people not getting a decent
defense but that is largely in the past. I still think we need
something more than simply warehousing a person for life, if that is
also the penalty for a serious drug charge.
Once you have sentenced a person to life, what else can you do to them
when they kill again?
What is the benefit to society in keeping them alive if you have
already said they are sentenced to death by prison? You are only
creating a more dangerous environment for the other inmates and the
correctional officers when these guys know they can't be punished any
more, no matter what they do.



You make the argument that it's just more "convenient" to execute them.
I just don't accept that anyone has the right to terminate a life.

Maybe making the prison environment for life sentences less pleasant is
an option. Work for food. Work for any type of privileges. Work for
the right to have a TV or any form of entertainment. Let the inmate
make the decision on how he wants to spend the rest of his life.
Stop worrying so much about an inmate's quality of life. Make him
accountable for it.


How about cracking rocks or shoveling snow. Nobody said a lifer's
existence should be easy. No TV or entertainment either. ;-)

That has been illegal since the 60s.

Lots of laws need to be done away with. That's one of em.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/9/2015 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 07:33:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 7:28 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:


How about cracking rocks or shoveling snow. Nobody said a lifer's
existence should be easy. No TV or entertainment either. ;-)



Shoveling Snow! What an outstanding idea!



The only problem is they would only be able to shovel snow inside the
prison. Even in places where they will let inmates work outside the
wire, the number of places they can work are very limited for security
reasons and because they are not allowed to compete with "labor".

I see lots of prisoners working road details.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/9/2015 11:45 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:22:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 7:56 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 11:23:37 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)




I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think
any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine
who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision.

Usually, the person who is being subjected to that life or death decision made that same decision for another human being. And they decided death.


So why is taking a life in return any less criminal or immoral?

I know it's a tough issue and in some cases I could probably be
convinced to change my mind. I think I'd favor more of a return
to hard labor and minimal, life enhancing privileges. Take away
the TV's, the basketball courts, visitation, etc. Let the convicted
murderer stew in thought for the rest of his/her life.


Why is life in prison any less cruel than simply killing someone?
At a certain point there are no privileges left to take and in a
maximum security facility there are not really that many to start
with. As for hard labor, that is considered a privileged to a maximum
security prisoner and it poses a security risk.
They are locked in a small cell 23 hours a day with a one hour
exercise period where they can walk around in a small compound,
usually by themselves. Not a lot of things you can take away from that
guy and he has very little to lose if he does get a chance to kill
again.

Most of the images you see of guys playing basketball and such are in
minimum security or medium security places. It is still far from a
safe environment. I saw a guy get killed at Charlotte. Scary stuff.

Maybe make a cyanide pill available if they decide life isn't worth
living anymore. Let *them* make the choice.


Why does your heart bleed for these guys?

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:22:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 7:56 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 11:23:37 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)




I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think
any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine
who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision.

Usually, the person who is being subjected to that life or death
decision made that same decision for another human being. And they decided death.


So why is taking a life in return any less criminal or immoral?

I know it's a tough issue and in some cases I could probably be
convinced to change my mind. I think I'd favor more of a return
to hard labor and minimal, life enhancing privileges. Take away
the TV's, the basketball courts, visitation, etc. Let the convicted
murderer stew in thought for the rest of his/her life.


Why is life in prison any less cruel than simply killing someone?
At a certain point there are no privileges left to take and in a
maximum security facility there are not really that many to start
with. As for hard labor, that is considered a privileged to a maximum
security prisoner and it poses a security risk.
They are locked in a small cell 23 hours a day with a one hour
exercise period where they can walk around in a small compound,
usually by themselves. Not a lot of things you can take away from that
guy and he has very little to lose if he does get a chance to kill
again.

Most of the images you see of guys playing basketball and such are in
minimum security or medium security places. It is still far from a
safe environment. I saw a guy get killed at Charlotte. Scary stuff.

Maybe make a cyanide pill available if they decide life isn't worth
living anymore. Let *them* make the choice.


In California they get yard time, basketball, etc even in Maximum Security
lock ups.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/9/2015 7:56 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 11:23:37 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)




I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think
any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine
who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision.

Usually, the person who is being subjected to that life or death
decision made that same decision for another human being. And they decided death.


So why is taking a life in return any less criminal or immoral?

I know it's a tough issue and in some cases I could probably be convinced
to change my mind. I think I'd favor more of a return
to hard labor and minimal, life enhancing privileges. Take away
the TV's, the basketball courts, visitation, etc. Let the convicted
murderer stew in thought for the rest of his/her life.

Maybe make a cyanide pill available if they decide life isn't worth
living anymore. Let *them* make the choice.

In Japan very little recidivism as the prisoner spends 23 hours a day in
their cell and not allowed to talk to other prisoners. I heard in Holland,
pretty much the same thing, and the average lifespan of a lifer is 5 years
before they opt out..

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Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2015 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 07:33:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 7:28 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:


How about cracking rocks or shoveling snow. Nobody said a lifer's
existence should be easy. No TV or entertainment either. ;-)



Shoveling Snow! What an outstanding idea!



The only problem is they would only be able to shovel snow inside the
prison. Even in places where they will let inmates work outside the
wire, the number of places they can work are very limited for security
reasons and because they are not allowed to compete with "labor".

I see lots of prisoners working road details.


Seems the south is sensible in that regards.

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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/9/2015 2:44 AM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2015 5:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2015 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:06:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:51 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:00 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/7/15 11:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:30:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

If he's as mentally ill as it sounds, he shouldn't be tried at all. He
should be committed.

The chance of being "cured" in an asylum is about as good as being
rehabilitated in prison.
Put him in the chair and tell him it's a ride.


How very revealing...execute the mentally ill.

Why not? Can you say any murderer is actually sane?

I understand you are against the death penalty in all circumstances
but the criminally insane should be at the front of the line. Cull the
herd, hopefully before they can reproduce. Darwin supports my position
on this.


Fortunately, most civilized people disagree.



The test is if the person committing the crime has the mental capacity
to know it's a crime ... or wrong.

OK I'll play. If someone is so mentally damaged that they do not think
killing another person is a crime, why would we want them on the
planet with us? We certainly do not want them influencing anyone else
behavioral or genetically.

That logic suggests anyone with a serious physical disability and is
dependent on others, including the government, for their
welfare should also be "eliminated". Don't need that burden, huh?

BTW ... what makes you think mental illness is hereditary?

He stated behavioral as well as genetic. And yes, I think genetics can
pass on mental illness. Friend is bipolar. His dad was bipolar and
committed suicide early on. His daughter is bipolar. And Gregg stated
killing someone. Not just being mentally incapacitated.



Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.
.
So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal injection gurney?

Actually as I told the judge on the last murder 1 jury summons I got. I
can go either way on the death penalty. We really do not have one now.
More likely to die of old age. And I think the last cost estimate to
execute someone in this state is in excess of $4.5 million dollars. At
least put them away for life. And someone killing someone is not
necessarily guilty of an death penalty crime. Lots are. But getting off
because you are insane is insane of society.

And most are ADD not bi-polar. And my mother in law was definitely
bi-,polar. As an aside on bipolar. Lots of bipolar are very functional.
Very successful. Richard Branson for one. My aquintance said probably the
reason he was rich. Mostly on the high end, and bought and sold numerous
companies. As he was always going.



Seems all I hear about now-a-days is kids and young people being
diagnosed with either depression or being bi-polar. Makes me wonder
how many of my (our) generation would have been diagnosed with the
same afflictions had the interest in the subjects been as high as it
is today.

Too many people are living on pills today.

There would have been more diagnosed in our youth if the money was there
for schools. But I think percentage wise lots more ADD autism than when we
were kids. My theory is environmental. All the plastics, growth hormones,
antibiotics in our diet now are not real healthy. My daughter is a
pediatric therapist and most of her clients are Autistic. And she thinks
the guy who stated vaccination is the cause is a criminal in the damage he
has caused.

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On 2/9/2015 11:29 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 05:05:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 2:44 AM, Califbill wrote:

And most are ADD not bi-polar. And my mother in law was definitely
bi-,polar. As an aside on bipolar. Lots of bipolar are very functional.
Very successful. Richard Branson for one. My aquintance said probably the
reason he was rich. Mostly on the high end, and bought and sold numerous
companies. As he was always going.



Seems all I hear about now-a-days is kids and young people being
diagnosed with either depression or being bi-polar. Makes me wonder
how many of my (our) generation would have been diagnosed with the
same afflictions had the interest in the subjects been as high as it
is today.

Too many people are living on pills today.


Henry Ford and Thomas Edison would have been drugged into a stupor if
they went to a public school today.


No kidding. Underachievers.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/9/2015 11:31 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 07:28:05 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 4:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2015 12:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 23:23:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is
determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)




I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think
any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine
who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision.

I think it may have a bad past with poor people not getting a decent
defense but that is largely in the past. I still think we need
something more than simply warehousing a person for life, if that is
also the penalty for a serious drug charge.
Once you have sentenced a person to life, what else can you do to them
when they kill again?
What is the benefit to society in keeping them alive if you have
already said they are sentenced to death by prison? You are only
creating a more dangerous environment for the other inmates and the
correctional officers when these guys know they can't be punished any
more, no matter what they do.



You make the argument that it's just more "convenient" to execute them.
I just don't accept that anyone has the right to terminate a life.

Maybe making the prison environment for life sentences less pleasant is
an option. Work for food. Work for any type of privileges. Work for
the right to have a TV or any form of entertainment. Let the inmate
make the decision on how he wants to spend the rest of his life.
Stop worrying so much about an inmate's quality of life. Make him
accountable for it.


How about cracking rocks or shoveling snow. Nobody said a lifer's
existence should be easy. No TV or entertainment either. ;-)

That has been illegal since the 60s.



Laws can be changed.

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On 2/9/2015 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 07:33:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 7:28 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:


How about cracking rocks or shoveling snow. Nobody said a lifer's
existence should be easy. No TV or entertainment either. ;-)



Shoveling Snow! What an outstanding idea!



The only problem is they would only be able to shovel snow inside the
prison. Even in places where they will let inmates work outside the
wire, the number of places they can work are very limited for security
reasons and because they are not allowed to compete with "labor".



Every once in a while I watch "Lock Up" on MSNBC (weekends).

I can't believe how respectful the corrections officers are
required to be with the inmates, some of whom are in for
armed robbery, assault, rape and murder.

They have to be addressed as "Mr. Doe" and be careful they don't
insult or restrict any prisoner's rights.

What's the matter with, "Hey, Asshole ... get the F back in your cell!"