Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/9/2015 11:45 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:22:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 7:56 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 11:23:37 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)




I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think
any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine
who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision.

Usually, the person who is being subjected to that life or death decision made that same decision for another human being. And they decided death.


So why is taking a life in return any less criminal or immoral?

I know it's a tough issue and in some cases I could probably be
convinced to change my mind. I think I'd favor more of a return
to hard labor and minimal, life enhancing privileges. Take away
the TV's, the basketball courts, visitation, etc. Let the convicted
murderer stew in thought for the rest of his/her life.


Why is life in prison any less cruel than simply killing someone?


Because, (not to be repetitive) I just don't think anyone has the
moral right to take someone's life in these circumstances. Killing
the enemy in a war is different as is killing someone in self defense
when otherwise your life may be in danger or lost.




At a certain point there are no privileges left to take and in a
maximum security facility there are not really that many to start
with. As for hard labor, that is considered a privileged to a maximum
security prisoner and it poses a security risk.
They are locked in a small cell 23 hours a day with a one hour
exercise period where they can walk around in a small compound,
usually by themselves. Not a lot of things you can take away from that
guy and he has very little to lose if he does get a chance to kill
again.

Most of the images you see of guys playing basketball and such are in
minimum security or medium security places. It is still far from a
safe environment. I saw a guy get killed at Charlotte. Scary stuff.

Maybe make a cyanide pill available if they decide life isn't worth
living anymore. Let *them* make the choice.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 8:23:00 AM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2015 7:56 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, February 8, 2015 at 11:23:37 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)




I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think
any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine
who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision.

Usually, the person who is being subjected to that life or death decision made that same decision for another human being. And they decided death.


So why is taking a life in return any less criminal or immoral?

I know it's a tough issue and in some cases I could probably be
convinced to change my mind. I think I'd favor more of a return
to hard labor and minimal, life enhancing privileges. Take away
the TV's, the basketball courts, visitation, etc. Let the convicted
murderer stew in thought for the rest of his/her life.

Maybe make a cyanide pill available if they decide life isn't worth
living anymore. Let *them* make the choice.

With the death sentence, the criminal effectively *did* make the choice when they did the crime. Be it a pill, a needle, or an electric chair, the end results are the same.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:48:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 11:45 AM, wrote:


Why is life in prison any less cruel than simply killing someone?


Because, (not to be repetitive) I just don't think anyone has the
moral right to take someone's life in these circumstances. Killing
the enemy in a war is different as is killing someone in self defense
when otherwise your life may be in danger or lost.


Considering we are now saying that it is OK to be killing American
citizens with drones who are only suspected of crimes (along with
everyone near them), I think that is a specious argument.

These people had due process and a number of appeals before they even
get close to the needle. It is not a reckless decision these days and
if that many courts say it is in our interest to terminate someone, do
it.

Our friends daughter was kidnapped and tortured. The two convicted were
sentenced to death. That was at least 10 years ago. Still sitting in
prison.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/9/2015 11:31 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 07:28:05 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 4:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/9/2015 12:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 23:23:39 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/8/2015 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is
determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)




I have a tough time with the death penalty period. I don't think
any person, judge or jury has the moral right to determine
who lives and who dies. It's an ultimate and very final decision.

I think it may have a bad past with poor people not getting a decent
defense but that is largely in the past. I still think we need
something more than simply warehousing a person for life, if that is
also the penalty for a serious drug charge.
Once you have sentenced a person to life, what else can you do to them
when they kill again?
What is the benefit to society in keeping them alive if you have
already said they are sentenced to death by prison? You are only
creating a more dangerous environment for the other inmates and the
correctional officers when these guys know they can't be punished any
more, no matter what they do.



You make the argument that it's just more "convenient" to execute them.
I just don't accept that anyone has the right to terminate a life.

Maybe making the prison environment for life sentences less pleasant is
an option. Work for food. Work for any type of privileges. Work for
the right to have a TV or any form of entertainment. Let the inmate
make the decision on how he wants to spend the rest of his life.
Stop worrying so much about an inmate's quality of life. Make him
accountable for it.


How about cracking rocks or shoveling snow. Nobody said a lifer's
existence should be easy. No TV or entertainment either. ;-)

That has been illegal since the 60s.



Laws can be changed.

Does not seem to be able to change to tougher laws.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/9/2015 12:00 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2015 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 07:33:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 7:28 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:


How about cracking rocks or shoveling snow. Nobody said a lifer's
existence should be easy. No TV or entertainment either. ;-)



Shoveling Snow! What an outstanding idea!



The only problem is they would only be able to shovel snow inside the
prison. Even in places where they will let inmates work outside the
wire, the number of places they can work are very limited for security
reasons and because they are not allowed to compete with "labor".

I see lots of prisoners working road details.

I have never seen that up here that I am aware of...

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:18:49 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/9/2015 12:00 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2015 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 07:33:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 7:28 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:


How about cracking rocks or shoveling snow. Nobody said a lifer's
existence should be easy. No TV or entertainment either. ;-)



Shoveling Snow! What an outstanding idea!



The only problem is they would only be able to shovel snow inside the
prison. Even in places where they will let inmates work outside the
wire, the number of places they can work are very limited for security
reasons and because they are not allowed to compete with "labor".

I see lots of prisoners working road details.

I have never seen that up here that I am aware of...

The unions are even stronger up there. They will not tolerate any
competition.

Used to have prisoners working here, but unions shot that down. When I
traveled in the South was when I have seen them in the last 50 years.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:33:46 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:48:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 11:45 AM, wrote:


Why is life in prison any less cruel than simply killing someone?


Because, (not to be repetitive) I just don't think anyone has the
moral right to take someone's life in these circumstances. Killing
the enemy in a war is different as is killing someone in self defense
when otherwise your life may be in danger or lost.


Considering we are now saying that it is OK to be killing American
citizens with drones who are only suspected of crimes (along with
everyone near them), I think that is a specious argument.

These people had due process and a number of appeals before they even
get close to the needle. It is not a reckless decision these days and
if that many courts say it is in our interest to terminate someone, do
it.

Our friends daughter was kidnapped and tortured. The two convicted were
sentenced to death. That was at least 10 years ago. Still sitting in
prison.

He will die of old age there unless they somehow find a reason to turn
him loose.
He may even get a new trial, after all of the witnesses are dead and
the evidence is lost, and be one of those "innocent" people who were
wrongfully convicted.

Doubt the evidence going away. But death by old age is most likely.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/S...ty-2767057.php

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/10/2015 1:17 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:18:49 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/9/2015 12:00 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2015 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 07:33:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 7:28 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:


How about cracking rocks or shoveling snow. Nobody said a lifer's
existence should be easy. No TV or entertainment either. ;-)



Shoveling Snow! What an outstanding idea!



The only problem is they would only be able to shovel snow inside the
prison. Even in places where they will let inmates work outside the
wire, the number of places they can work are very limited for security
reasons and because they are not allowed to compete with "labor".

I see lots of prisoners working road details.

I have never seen that up here that I am aware of...

The unions are even stronger up there. They will not tolerate any
competition.

Used to have prisoners working here, but unions shot that down. When I
traveled in the South was when I have seen them in the last 50 years.



We often see jail work details cleaning trash on limited access highways
during the summer. They work out of the Plymouth Correctional Facility.
Usually it's about 10 workers with a corrections officer sitting in a
van supervising. I am sure they must be low risk inmates.
Never saw Whitey Bulger.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.


--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.




You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-)

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/10/15 6:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.




You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-)



Ah, yes. Well, as I am not "the expert" in everything, I hope you'll
excuse that memory lapse.

It is obvious that Greg's primary motivator is $$$. He doesn't give a
**** about capital punishment, beyond the fact that handing a murderer a
suicide pill is cheaper than housing him for life, that he doesn't give
a rat's ass about the Middle East beyond cutting military aid ($$$) to
Israel, et cetera. A secondary motivator is to make himself feel better
about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did.



--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/10/2015 6:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 6:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is
determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.




You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-)



Ah, yes. Well, as I am not "the expert" in everything, I hope you'll
excuse that memory lapse.

It is obvious that Greg's primary motivator is $$$. He doesn't give a
**** about capital punishment, beyond the fact that handing a murderer a
suicide pill is cheaper than housing him for life, that he doesn't give
a rat's ass about the Middle East beyond cutting military aid ($$$) to
Israel, et cetera. A secondary motivator is to make himself feel better
about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did.





I would argue that you tend to put too much emphasis on why a degree
is required to be qualified in any particular subject or discipline.
There are plenty of examples of degree-less, self-taught and educated
people who have made major contributions to society (or simply had
successful careers in their chosen field of work). There are also
many examples of highly educated people holding multiple degrees who
are total failures or represent warped views that affect society.

I think the problem in a discussion group like rec.boats is how
information and opinions are presented. An "IMO" or "I think" before
stating a belief takes the edge off of what seems to bother you
regarding Greg. He posts his views as if they are certain fact, but
most are simply opinions that are viewed differently by others.

BTW ... you often post in the same manner, especially when it comes
to politics.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/10/15 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 6:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is
determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.




You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-)



Ah, yes. Well, as I am not "the expert" in everything, I hope you'll
excuse that memory lapse.

It is obvious that Greg's primary motivator is $$$. He doesn't give a
**** about capital punishment, beyond the fact that handing a murderer a
suicide pill is cheaper than housing him for life, that he doesn't give
a rat's ass about the Middle East beyond cutting military aid ($$$) to
Israel, et cetera. A secondary motivator is to make himself feel better
about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did.





I would argue that you tend to put too much emphasis on why a degree
is required to be qualified in any particular subject or discipline.
There are plenty of examples of degree-less, self-taught and educated
people who have made major contributions to society (or simply had
successful careers in their chosen field of work). There are also
many examples of highly educated people holding multiple degrees who
are total failures or represent warped views that affect society.

I think the problem in a discussion group like rec.boats is how
information and opinions are presented. An "IMO" or "I think" before
stating a belief takes the edge off of what seems to bother you
regarding Greg. He posts his views as if they are certain fact, but
most are simply opinions that are viewed differently by others.

BTW ... you often post in the same manner, especially when it comes
to politics.



I think Greg is qualified to discuss snow and politics.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/10/2015 7:26 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 6:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is
determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and
certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level
skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.




You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-)



Ah, yes. Well, as I am not "the expert" in everything, I hope you'll
excuse that memory lapse.

It is obvious that Greg's primary motivator is $$$. He doesn't give a
**** about capital punishment, beyond the fact that handing a murderer a
suicide pill is cheaper than housing him for life, that he doesn't give
a rat's ass about the Middle East beyond cutting military aid ($$$) to
Israel, et cetera. A secondary motivator is to make himself feel better
about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did.





I would argue that you tend to put too much emphasis on why a degree
is required to be qualified in any particular subject or discipline.
There are plenty of examples of degree-less, self-taught and educated
people who have made major contributions to society (or simply had
successful careers in their chosen field of work). There are also
many examples of highly educated people holding multiple degrees who
are total failures or represent warped views that affect society.

I think the problem in a discussion group like rec.boats is how
information and opinions are presented. An "IMO" or "I think" before
stating a belief takes the edge off of what seems to bother you
regarding Greg. He posts his views as if they are certain fact, but
most are simply opinions that are viewed differently by others.

BTW ... you often post in the same manner, especially when it comes
to politics.



I think Greg is qualified to discuss snow and politics.


I have a hard won degree in engineering with a focus on communication
electronics and systems. Greg is far more knowledgeable of past and
current electronic communication systems (computers, etc.) than I ever
was or will ever be because I never used the formal education in the
field I ended up in. I don't even know how to program a DVR although
that's mainly because I have no interest in using them.

The field I worked in almost 40 years is heavy in physics backed with
mechanical and electrical engineering. There is no college level
degree program (at least there wasn't when I was still attending
school) in the technology I was involved with. A working understanding
of the technology requires self education, drawing from other fields
of study.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.

===

In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to
remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how
you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated
fool.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/10/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.

===

In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to
remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how
you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated
fool.



Shortly after I left the Navy and was still attending night school while
working in the industry I made a career of I was talking to a customer
who had a PhD in Physics. We were discussing the system under
construction for his company and at one point he asked what school I
graduated from. I told him I was still working on my degree requirements.

He looked at the system on the shop floor, most of which I had a major
role in the design and configuration of, and said, "You don't need a
degree".

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 3:27:40 AM UTC-8, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert...

...in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell...

...because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.


--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Most I see what he writes makes sense. Maybe he's like Abe Lincoln. "I read a lot"

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On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:05:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/10/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.

===

In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to
remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how
you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated
fool.



Shortly after I left the Navy and was still attending night school while
working in the industry I made a career of I was talking to a customer
who had a PhD in Physics. We were discussing the system under
construction for his company and at one point he asked what school I
graduated from. I told him I was still working on my degree requirements.

He looked at the system on the shop floor, most of which I had a major
role in the design and configuration of, and said, "You don't need a
degree".

Be glad he didn't have a DLS (Doctor Liberalium Studiorum). He would have spent hours
telling you how undereducated you really were.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 6:27:40 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert...

...in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell...

...because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.


--
Proud to be a Liberal.

That jealousy just eats you alive, doesn't it Krause.

What bothers you is not his 'expertise' in any area, it's the fact that he has some
standing within the group. You, on the other hand, are considered a joke within the
group, with one or two exceptions.

Show us some more pictures of your AR, your ammo, your owls, your Parker-fest, your
trip around the Horn, your big Ducati, your Maryland Red barn, etc.

That will lend you some authority. Folks will believe you and trust you.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/10/2015 8:25 AM, Abit Loco wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:05:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/10/2015 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.

===

In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to
remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how
you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated
fool.



Shortly after I left the Navy and was still attending night school while
working in the industry I made a career of I was talking to a customer
who had a PhD in Physics. We were discussing the system under
construction for his company and at one point he asked what school I
graduated from. I told him I was still working on my degree requirements.

He looked at the system on the shop floor, most of which I had a major
role in the design and configuration of, and said, "You don't need a
degree".

Be glad he didn't have a DLS (Doctor Liberalium Studiorum). He would have spent hours
telling you how undereducated you really were.



I think we all realize that an "education" comes in many forms and
formats, most of it being the gaining of experience. College
contributes but certainly isn't all of it.

This is where I find Harry being so wrong in much of what he posts on
the subject. It seems to him that *the* most important
facet of education is degrees and in what. IMO it's obvious to the most
oblivious observer that he's misinformed and very shallow in his concept
of what makes up an education.

I remember having conversations with some salty old Navy CPOs discussing
certain individuals at the command and who we would most want to be with
in a desperate, life threatening situation. It wasn't the ones with the
most formal education who were chosen. It was the ones with the
heaviest bucket of experience, tenacity and general knowledge.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/10/15 7:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 7:26 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 6:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is
determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or
lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a
prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has
*no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and
certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et
cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level
skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.




You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-)



Ah, yes. Well, as I am not "the expert" in everything, I hope you'll
excuse that memory lapse.

It is obvious that Greg's primary motivator is $$$. He doesn't give a
**** about capital punishment, beyond the fact that handing a
murderer a
suicide pill is cheaper than housing him for life, that he doesn't give
a rat's ass about the Middle East beyond cutting military aid ($$$) to
Israel, et cetera. A secondary motivator is to make himself feel better
about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did.





I would argue that you tend to put too much emphasis on why a degree
is required to be qualified in any particular subject or discipline.
There are plenty of examples of degree-less, self-taught and educated
people who have made major contributions to society (or simply had
successful careers in their chosen field of work). There are also
many examples of highly educated people holding multiple degrees who
are total failures or represent warped views that affect society.

I think the problem in a discussion group like rec.boats is how
information and opinions are presented. An "IMO" or "I think" before
stating a belief takes the edge off of what seems to bother you
regarding Greg. He posts his views as if they are certain fact, but
most are simply opinions that are viewed differently by others.

BTW ... you often post in the same manner, especially when it comes
to politics.



I think Greg is qualified to discuss snow and politics.


I have a hard won degree in engineering with a focus on communication
electronics and systems. Greg is far more knowledgeable of past and
current electronic communication systems (computers, etc.) than I ever
was or will ever be because I never used the formal education in the
field I ended up in. I don't even know how to program a DVR although
that's mainly because I have no interest in using them.

The field I worked in almost 40 years is heavy in physics backed with
mechanical and electrical engineering. There is no college level
degree program (at least there wasn't when I was still attending
school) in the technology I was involved with. A working understanding
of the technology requires self education, drawing from other fields
of study.





I didn't comment on Greg's knowledge of electronics communications
systems. I don't disagree that a lot of knowledge can come from being
self-taught but in a lot of cases, that knowledge needs the refinement
that only comes from an environment that includes formal education,
training, certification.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

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On 2/10/15 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.

===

In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to
remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how
you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated
fool.



Envy of what?

And of course I shall give your comment all the attention I give to your
genomate Slammer's posts.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On 2/10/15 8:29 AM, John H wrote:
On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 6:27:40 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert...

...in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell...

...because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.


--
Proud to be a Liberal.

That jealousy just eats you alive, doesn't it Krause.

Jealousy of what?




What bothers you is not his 'expertise' in any area, it's the fact that he has some
standing within the group. You, on the other hand, are considered a joke within the
group, with one or two exceptions.

This is a newsgroup full of little else but right-wingers. "Standing" in
a group of right-wingers is like winning an award sash from the Ku Klux
Klan.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

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On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:48:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/10/15 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.

===

In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to
remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how
you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated
fool.



Envy of what?

And of course I shall give your comment all the attention I give to your
genomate Slammer's posts.

===

Your problem Harry is that you don't know what you don't know, coupled
with an overdose of arrogance. You're blind to it. Perhaps you need
another degree to up your educated fool ante.

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On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:51:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/10/15 8:29 AM, John H wrote:
On Tuesday, February 10, 2015 at 6:27:40 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert...

...in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell...

...because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.


--
Proud to be a Liberal.

That jealousy just eats you alive, doesn't it Krause.

Jealousy of what?




What bothers you is not his 'expertise' in any area, it's the fact that he has some
standing within the group. You, on the other hand, are considered a joke within the
group, with one or two exceptions.

This is a newsgroup full of little else but right-wingers. "Standing" in
a group of right-wingers is like winning an award sash from the Ku Klux
Klan.

From the support you get, it seems even your left-wing buddies are ashamed of you.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

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On 2/10/2015 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
There are also
many examples of highly educated people holding multiple degrees who
are total failures or represent warped views that affect society.

I think the problem in a discussion group like rec.boats is how
information and opinions are presented. An "IMO" or "I think" before
stating a belief takes the edge off of what seems to bother you
regarding Greg. He posts his views as if they are certain fact, but
most are simply opinions that are viewed differently by others.

BTW ... you often post in the same manner, especially when it comes
to politics.


Another contrast is that Harry is bat**** crazy. ;-)

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

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On 2/10/2015 11:20 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:48:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/10/15 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.

===

In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to
remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how
you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated
fool.



Envy of what?

And of course I shall give your comment all the attention I give to your
genomate Slammer's posts.

===

Your problem Harry is that you don't know what you don't know, coupled
with an overdose of arrogance. You're blind to it. Perhaps you need
another degree to up your educated fool ante.


Harry's day isn't getting off to a very good start. GOOD!

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/10/2015 1:17 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:18:49 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/9/2015 12:00 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/9/2015 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2015 07:33:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/9/2015 7:28 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:


How about cracking rocks or shoveling snow. Nobody said a lifer's
existence should be easy. No TV or entertainment either. ;-)



Shoveling Snow! What an outstanding idea!



The only problem is they would only be able to shovel snow inside the
prison. Even in places where they will let inmates work outside the
wire, the number of places they can work are very limited for security
reasons and because they are not allowed to compete with "labor".

I see lots of prisoners working road details.

I have never seen that up here that I am aware of...

The unions are even stronger up there. They will not tolerate any
competition.

Used to have prisoners working here, but unions shot that down. When I
traveled in the South was when I have seen them in the last 50 years.



We often see jail work details cleaning trash on limited access highways
during the summer. They work out of the Plymouth Correctional Facility.
Usually it's about 10 workers with a corrections officer sitting in a van
supervising. I am sure they must be low risk inmates.
Never saw Whitey Bulger.

The only ones we get doing highway cleanup now are drunk drivers, etc.
working off community service.

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On 2/10/2015 9:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 7:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 7:26 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 6:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is
determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or
lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal
term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a
prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read
that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has
*no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and
certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et
cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for
anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level
skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.




You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-)



Ah, yes. Well, as I am not "the expert" in everything, I hope you'll
excuse that memory lapse.

It is obvious that Greg's primary motivator is $$$. He doesn't give a
**** about capital punishment, beyond the fact that handing a
murderer a
suicide pill is cheaper than housing him for life, that he doesn't
give
a rat's ass about the Middle East beyond cutting military aid ($$$) to
Israel, et cetera. A secondary motivator is to make himself feel
better
about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did.





I would argue that you tend to put too much emphasis on why a degree
is required to be qualified in any particular subject or discipline.
There are plenty of examples of degree-less, self-taught and educated
people who have made major contributions to society (or simply had
successful careers in their chosen field of work). There are also
many examples of highly educated people holding multiple degrees who
are total failures or represent warped views that affect society.

I think the problem in a discussion group like rec.boats is how
information and opinions are presented. An "IMO" or "I think" before
stating a belief takes the edge off of what seems to bother you
regarding Greg. He posts his views as if they are certain fact, but
most are simply opinions that are viewed differently by others.

BTW ... you often post in the same manner, especially when it comes
to politics.



I think Greg is qualified to discuss snow and politics.


I have a hard won degree in engineering with a focus on communication
electronics and systems. Greg is far more knowledgeable of past and
current electronic communication systems (computers, etc.) than I ever
was or will ever be because I never used the formal education in the
field I ended up in. I don't even know how to program a DVR although
that's mainly because I have no interest in using them.

The field I worked in almost 40 years is heavy in physics backed with
mechanical and electrical engineering. There is no college level
degree program (at least there wasn't when I was still attending
school) in the technology I was involved with. A working understanding
of the technology requires self education, drawing from other fields
of study.





I didn't comment on Greg's knowledge of electronics communications
systems. I don't disagree that a lot of knowledge can come from being
self-taught but in a lot of cases, that knowledge needs the refinement
that only comes from an environment that includes formal education,
training, certification.



"Lot of cases"? That's where I think you are wrong. The degree may
qualify you ... it's the main reason I pursued one ... in the eyes of
others but it doesn't mean you don't have the knowledge or expertise
to do your job. College doesn't teach that ... I know that for a fact.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:28:44 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:50:18 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.




You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-)


You forgot
DOS (both the PC version and the 360/370 version), 360 assembler.
VM, VSE, MVS, OS/400, AIX, COBOL, and Autocoder.

===

I think you forgot 360/370 Channel Programming.

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Fortunately my daughter is working on a 2 year masters program which is about 30 grand a year. She's working a trade off which entails making almost nothing but some pocket monies. Though her tuition is paid for by working at the college, When she's done she'll have a masters in "coaching" which will pay her about 22,000 a year as their assistant vollyball coach.

Yeah, my wife and I are still paying 'child support' lol!

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On 2/10/15 11:20 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:48:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/10/15 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.

===

In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to
remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how
you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated
fool.



Envy of what?

And of course I shall give your comment all the attention I give to your
genomate Slammer's posts.

===

Your problem Harry is that you don't know what you don't know, coupled
with an overdose of arrogance. You're blind to it. Perhaps you need
another degree to up your educated fool ante.



Such childish name calling on your part.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

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On 2/10/15 11:32 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:58:40 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

A secondary motivator is to make himself feel better
about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did.

I don't have to do that. Simply looking at BAs with $30k a year jobs
and $150,000 in student debt is sufficient.

I am retired making a fairly nice living and you are still going to
work every day, trying to pay down your debt. Nuff said



As far as I can tell from your posts here. your life consists of make-do
home repairs and projects on your house and taking your wife and dog out
on pontoon rides in the adjacent swamp.

I work when I want to work. Fortunately, I still feel like working, and
still am able to contribute. I spent Monday at a client's office in
Baltimore helping several of its employees put together still and video
presentations on their work last fall helping villagers in Africa plan
and build potable water projects.

To my way of thinking, that beats pool maintenance and rebuilding a pool
bar.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

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On 2/10/15 1:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 9:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 7:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 7:26 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 6:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is
determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or
lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal
term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a
prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is
that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read
that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has
*no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and
certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et
cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for
anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level
skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.




You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-)



Ah, yes. Well, as I am not "the expert" in everything, I hope you'll
excuse that memory lapse.

It is obvious that Greg's primary motivator is $$$. He doesn't give a
**** about capital punishment, beyond the fact that handing a
murderer a
suicide pill is cheaper than housing him for life, that he doesn't
give
a rat's ass about the Middle East beyond cutting military aid
($$$) to
Israel, et cetera. A secondary motivator is to make himself feel
better
about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did.





I would argue that you tend to put too much emphasis on why a degree
is required to be qualified in any particular subject or discipline.
There are plenty of examples of degree-less, self-taught and educated
people who have made major contributions to society (or simply had
successful careers in their chosen field of work). There are also
many examples of highly educated people holding multiple degrees who
are total failures or represent warped views that affect society.

I think the problem in a discussion group like rec.boats is how
information and opinions are presented. An "IMO" or "I think" before
stating a belief takes the edge off of what seems to bother you
regarding Greg. He posts his views as if they are certain fact, but
most are simply opinions that are viewed differently by others.

BTW ... you often post in the same manner, especially when it comes
to politics.



I think Greg is qualified to discuss snow and politics.


I have a hard won degree in engineering with a focus on communication
electronics and systems. Greg is far more knowledgeable of past and
current electronic communication systems (computers, etc.) than I ever
was or will ever be because I never used the formal education in the
field I ended up in. I don't even know how to program a DVR although
that's mainly because I have no interest in using them.

The field I worked in almost 40 years is heavy in physics backed with
mechanical and electrical engineering. There is no college level
degree program (at least there wasn't when I was still attending
school) in the technology I was involved with. A working understanding
of the technology requires self education, drawing from other fields
of study.





I didn't comment on Greg's knowledge of electronics communications
systems. I don't disagree that a lot of knowledge can come from being
self-taught but in a lot of cases, that knowledge needs the refinement
that only comes from an environment that includes formal education,
training, certification.



"Lot of cases"? That's where I think you are wrong. The degree may
qualify you ... it's the main reason I pursued one ... in the eyes of
others but it doesn't mean you don't have the knowledge or expertise
to do your job. College doesn't teach that ... I know that for a fact.




Uh, let's try that again: Formal education, training, certification.
Got it?


--
Proud to be a Liberal.

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On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:08:02 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/10/15 11:20 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:48:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/10/15 7:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:27:36 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has *no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.

===

In between your sarcasm I detect a touch of envy. It's important to
remember that it's not what you've been taught that counts, it's how
you use what you know. In that respect I regard you as an educated
fool.



Envy of what?

And of course I shall give your comment all the attention I give to your
genomate Slammer's posts.

===

Your problem Harry is that you don't know what you don't know, coupled
with an overdose of arrogance. You're blind to it. Perhaps you need
another degree to up your educated fool ante.



Such childish name calling on your part.

'Dimples' isn't childish name-calling?
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

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On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:13:20 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/10/15 11:32 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:58:40 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

A secondary motivator is to make himself feel better
about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did.

I don't have to do that. Simply looking at BAs with $30k a year jobs
and $150,000 in student debt is sufficient.

I am retired making a fairly nice living and you are still going to
work every day, trying to pay down your debt. Nuff said



As far as I can tell from your posts here. your life consists of make-do
home repairs and projects on your house and taking your wife and dog out
on pontoon rides in the adjacent swamp.

I work when I want to work. Fortunately, I still feel like working, and
still am able to contribute. I spent Monday at a client's office in
Baltimore helping several of its employees put together still and video
presentations on their work last fall helping villagers in Africa plan
and build potable water projects.

To my way of thinking, that beats pool maintenance and rebuilding a pool
bar.

Perhaps Greg doesn't have the need to pat himself on the back continuously?
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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:13:20 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/10/15 11:32 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:58:40 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

A secondary motivator is to make himself feel better
about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did.

I don't have to do that. Simply looking at BAs with $30k a year jobs
and $150,000 in student debt is sufficient.

I am retired making a fairly nice living and you are still going to
work every day, trying to pay down your debt. Nuff said



As far as I can tell from your posts here. your life consists of make-do
home repairs and projects on your house and taking your wife and dog out
on pontoon rides in the adjacent swamp.

I work when I want to work. Fortunately, I still feel like working, and
still am able to contribute. I spent Monday at a client's office in
Baltimore helping several of its employees put together still and video
presentations on their work last fall helping villagers in Africa plan
and build potable water projects.

To my way of thinking, that beats pool maintenance and rebuilding a pool
bar.

Yeah, just a few little make do home repair

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/house%2010%...rogression.jpg

Nice lawn. 😳
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Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:57:13 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Fortunately my daughter is working on a 2 year masters program which is
about 30 grand a year. She's working a trade off which entails making
almost nothing but some pocket monies. Though her tuition is paid for by
working at the college, When she's done she'll have a masters in
"coaching" which will pay her about 22,000 a year as their assistant vollyball coach.

Yeah, my wife and I are still paying 'child support' lol!

My son in law has a masters in "beach" (environmental) something and
he ended up being a park ranger for $25k. It took him quite a while
before he could move up and he still topped out around $50k at Florida
water management.
Then he went to law school, passed the bar and he is still looking for
another job, without as much luck as he expected.
Student debt is now over $200k now with 20 years of accrued interest
on the original loan and subsequent ones.

That is the insidious trap in student loans. As long as you are taking
"something" you can defer the payments so kids keep going back for
more and piling on the debt.

I do think it is funny that a quarter century ago the scandal was
banks giving college students credit cards and then the colleges saw
the gravy train and jumped on it themselves. Now the student loans are
much bigger than a bank would ever let a credit card debt get before
they shut them down.

The other problem with student loans is the government. Why do the Fed's
set an 8% rate on student loans, when they are loaning money to the FED and
zero interest rate?

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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/10/2015 9:47 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 7:46 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 7:26 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 7:21 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:58 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/10/15 6:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2015 6:27 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/8/15 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:17:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Seems like *everyone* is bipolar now-a-days.

There is a lot of money in mental illness so it does get diagnosed
more than it may actually exist.


So, you and Greg feel that a person who kills someone but is
determined
to be insane should just automatically to to the chair ... or
lethal
injection gurney?

It would depend on the depth of the "mental defect" (the legal
term)
and the severity of the crime but if it was a capital case and
abhorrent enough to survive all of the mandatory appeals, why not
execute them just like you would anyone else?

I also see little difference between life in prison and life in a
correctional mental facility. It is just a prison with a
prescription
drug plan. They keep the inmates drugged into submission. Is that a
life? (yes I have been in one in my job)



The greatest living expert…

…in rec.boats has to be Greg Fretwell…

…because in catching up on the last few days of posts, I read
that he
has *all* the answers on:

* capital punishment

* mental illness

* physicians and their motivators

* snow

* prisons and inmates

* labor unions

* the Middle East

* drone warfare

* politics

This is an absolutely amazing accomplishment for a fellow who has
*no*
college degrees in anything, no expertise in the criminal justice
system; no decade of education, training, examination and
certification
in treating mental illnesses; no medical degree; no experience in
diplomacy; no experience in high level politics, et cetera, et
cetera,
et cetera.

Greg, you're just amazing. If there's ever a call for another
all-seeing, all-knowing oracle, you're the man. No need for
anyone to
spend decades of their lives learning and perfecting a high-level
skill
set. Just seek out *The Greg*.




You forgot "keeper of the keys" for Windows 95. :-)



Ah, yes. Well, as I am not "the expert" in everything, I hope you'll
excuse that memory lapse.

It is obvious that Greg's primary motivator is $$$. He doesn't give a
**** about capital punishment, beyond the fact that handing a
murderer a
suicide pill is cheaper than housing him for life, that he doesn't
give
a rat's ass about the Middle East beyond cutting military aid ($$$) to
Israel, et cetera. A secondary motivator is to make himself feel
better
about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did.





I would argue that you tend to put too much emphasis on why a degree
is required to be qualified in any particular subject or discipline.
There are plenty of examples of degree-less, self-taught and educated
people who have made major contributions to society (or simply had
successful careers in their chosen field of work). There are also
many examples of highly educated people holding multiple degrees who
are total failures or represent warped views that affect society.

I think the problem in a discussion group like rec.boats is how
information and opinions are presented. An "IMO" or "I think" before
stating a belief takes the edge off of what seems to bother you
regarding Greg. He posts his views as if they are certain fact, but
most are simply opinions that are viewed differently by others.

BTW ... you often post in the same manner, especially when it comes
to politics.



I think Greg is qualified to discuss snow and politics.


I have a hard won degree in engineering with a focus on communication
electronics and systems. Greg is far more knowledgeable of past and
current electronic communication systems (computers, etc.) than I ever
was or will ever be because I never used the formal education in the
field I ended up in. I don't even know how to program a DVR although
that's mainly because I have no interest in using them.

The field I worked in almost 40 years is heavy in physics backed with
mechanical and electrical engineering. There is no college level
degree program (at least there wasn't when I was still attending
school) in the technology I was involved with. A working understanding
of the technology requires self education, drawing from other fields
of study.





I didn't comment on Greg's knowledge of electronics communications
systems. I don't disagree that a lot of knowledge can come from being
self-taught but in a lot of cases, that knowledge needs the refinement
that only comes from an environment that includes formal education,
training, certification.



"Lot of cases"? That's where I think you are wrong. The degree may
qualify you ... it's the main reason I pursued one ... in the eyes of
others but it doesn't mean you don't have the knowledge or expertise
to do your job. College doesn't teach that ... I know that for a fact.

When I was doing hiring interviews, there were degreed and non degreed
engineers. I would hire a degreed engineer over an equal non degreed
engineer, for the simple reason, they proved they could stick to something
for the duration.

Chris Kyles killer wants change of venue
 

On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:53:09 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:13:20 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/10/15 11:32 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:58:40 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

A secondary motivator is to make himself feel better
about never getting a college degree by putting down those who did.

I don't have to do that. Simply looking at BAs with $30k a year jobs
and $150,000 in student debt is sufficient.

I am retired making a fairly nice living and you are still going to
work every day, trying to pay down your debt. Nuff said



As far as I can tell from your posts here. your life consists of make-do
home repairs and projects on your house and taking your wife and dog out
on pontoon rides in the adjacent swamp.

I work when I want to work. Fortunately, I still feel like working, and
still am able to contribute. I spent Monday at a client's office in
Baltimore helping several of its employees put together still and video
presentations on their work last fall helping villagers in Africa plan
and build potable water projects.

To my way of thinking, that beats pool maintenance and rebuilding a pool
bar.

Yeah, just a few little make do home repair

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/house%2010%...rogression.jpg

Nice paint job on that shed.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.