On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 08:41:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...you're black:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-t...&v=AWq2HRSYFCg


Speaking of color, that was a textbook piece of yellow journalism.



Twenty years from now you will be more disppointed
by the things that you didn't do than by the ones
you did do.

So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.
- Mark Twain


1987 23' Grady-White Gulfstream
2005 20' Angler CC
2004 17' G3 CC 1756

Out of Shallotte, NC

Mucho Loco wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/4/15 4:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Mucho Loco wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:21:20 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:32:55 -0500, Mucho Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:51:00 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 08:50:26 -0500, Mucho Loco

wrote:

On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:25:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/2/15 8:49 PM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:29:37 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 08:41:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...you're black:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-t...&v=AWq2HRSYFCg


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.2099426

I'm sure Harry will acknowledge his error and admit his
anti-cop bias.

Well, of course you believe the police version.
Well, of course you believe the 30 second anti-cop version
narrated by a bull****ter.
===

There's no reason not to believe the cop version. It has been very
well investigated by the city of New Rochelle which has a very
liberal
mayor and a significant number of affluent and well educated blacks.
If there was any scandal at all it would have been flushed out by
now.
Speaking of cops and guns. What ammo are you shooting in the MN?
I'd like to try some
of this stuff, but can't find a place to shoot it!

http://tinyurl.com/jwsj8pj

or:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411549818/Russian+7.62x54R+147gr.+Full+Metal+Jacket%2C+20+rd s?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=M osinAmmo27Jan2015

===

That looks like the same stuff. The bullets are copper clad over a
steel core and the cases are copper washed steel with a corrosive
primer. They come wrapped in paper, 20 rounds to a bundle, and are
about 30 cents a round here at a local gun shop.
The only outdoor range I can find locally requires use of ammo
purchased on site.
They want $14.95 for a box of 20 of the Russian surplus stuff. Unreal.

Buds is having a pretty good sale on it.
Buy one box of theirs and have a bunch of yours in the range box.


I guess we're lucky we have a public outdoor shooting range a
reasonable distance away, and it doesn't sell ammo. The 50-yard
indoor rifle range near here is private, but you can use your own ammo
so long as you're not using steel bullets.


Where do you find steel bullets?
http://www.slickguns.com/product/762...-free-shipping

Interesting. What is the jacket material? I wonder if they expand much
unless you shoot an engine block? For paper, they would be fine and
better for the environment!

wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else
wrote:

Where do you find steel bullets?
The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic
but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or
so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to
a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half
(5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored
in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I
imagine the effect is less in a slower round.

If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever
notice.

So the jacket material doesn't protect the barrel? I must be there to
make it feed better or to keep the steel from corroding.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else
wrote:

Where do you find steel bullets?

The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic
but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or
so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to
a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half
(5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored
in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I
imagine the effect is less in a slower round.

If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever
notice.



Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this
interesting:

http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8


It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR
is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas
block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas
block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned
through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there
is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel.
That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent
$500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a
nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings"
in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its
time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are
welcomed.


You are confusing casings and bullets.

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 13:15:28 -0500, wrote:

If you are really that interested in precision shooting you should be
shooting match grade ammo.

===

Exactly. I was talking to one of my shooting buddys yesterday who
competes with his custom 223 at 300 yards. He uses match grade ammo
of course but he's noticed that the performance changes throughout the
day as temperatures warm up. As a result he has started keeping his
unfired ammo in a styrofoam cooler with a bit of ice in it to maintain
a constant temp.

I would worry more about the barrel temperature

===

Once you fire a shot or two the barrel comes up to a fairly uniform
and constant temperature. Typically they allow some sighting shots
before the actual competition begins.

The effect he was noticing was directly related to the ammo and
depended on things like whether it was stored in the sun or in the
shade, things like that.

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 23:50:17 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 23:28:01 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 13:15:28 -0500, wrote:

If you are really that interested in precision shooting you should be
shooting match grade ammo.

===

Exactly. I was talking to one of my shooting buddys yesterday who
competes with his custom 223 at 300 yards. He uses match grade ammo
of course but he's noticed that the performance changes throughout the
day as temperatures warm up. As a result he has started keeping his
unfired ammo in a styrofoam cooler with a bit of ice in it to maintain
a constant temp.

I would worry more about the barrel temperature

===

Once you fire a shot or two the barrel comes up to a fairly uniform
and constant temperature. Typically they allow some sighting shots
before the actual competition begins.

The effect he was noticing was directly related to the ammo and
depended on things like whether it was stored in the sun or in the
shade, things like that.

Anyone who ever fired a machine gun understands the barrel will
continue to warm up as you shoot unless you are shooting at a fairly
slow rate of fire.

===

Understood but the guys who shoot long range are very slow and
deliberate.

When I was shooting competition with the Garrand I let the loaded clips sit in the sunlight if there was any. I don't know how much effect it had at 300m over cool ammunition. I couldn't tell much diffrence in their performance.

On Fri, 6 Feb 2015 05:29:15 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

When I was shooting competition with the Garrand I let the loaded clips sit in the sunlight if there was any. I don't know how much effect it had at 300m over cool ammunition. I couldn't tell much diffrence in their performance.

===

The fellow I was talking to the other day shoots a highly customized
223 with very tight groups at 300 yards. He said that he was seeing
elevation differences of 2 to 3 inches between hot and cold ammo.

Wayne That may be with a .223 at that distance. I may have seen or noticed a difference if I was shooting further with the 30.06

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:03:14 -0500, Someone Else wrote:

Mucho Loco wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/4/15 4:52 PM, Califbill wrote:
Mucho Loco wrote:
On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:21:20 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:32:55 -0500, Mucho Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:51:00 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 08:50:26 -0500, Mucho Loco

wrote:

On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:25:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/2/15 8:49 PM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:29:37 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 08:41:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...you're black:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-t...&v=AWq2HRSYFCg


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.2099426

I'm sure Harry will acknowledge his error and admit his
anti-cop bias.

Well, of course you believe the police version.
Well, of course you believe the 30 second anti-cop version
narrated by a bull****ter.
===

There's no reason not to believe the cop version. It has been very
well investigated by the city of New Rochelle which has a very
liberal
mayor and a significant number of affluent and well educated blacks.
If there was any scandal at all it would have been flushed out by
now.
Speaking of cops and guns. What ammo are you shooting in the MN?
I'd like to try some
of this stuff, but can't find a place to shoot it!

http://tinyurl.com/jwsj8pj

or:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411549818/Russian+7.62x54R+147gr.+Full+Metal+Jacket%2C+20+rd s?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=M osinAmmo27Jan2015

===

That looks like the same stuff. The bullets are copper clad over a
steel core and the cases are copper washed steel with a corrosive
primer. They come wrapped in paper, 20 rounds to a bundle, and are
about 30 cents a round here at a local gun shop.
The only outdoor range I can find locally requires use of ammo
purchased on site.
They want $14.95 for a box of 20 of the Russian surplus stuff. Unreal.

Buds is having a pretty good sale on it.
Buy one box of theirs and have a bunch of yours in the range box.


I guess we're lucky we have a public outdoor shooting range a
reasonable distance away, and it doesn't sell ammo. The 50-yard
indoor rifle range near here is private, but you can use your own ammo
so long as you're not using steel bullets.


Where do you find steel bullets?
http://www.slickguns.com/product/762...-free-shipping

Interesting. What is the jacket material? I wonder if they expand much
unless you shoot an engine block? For paper, they would be fine and
better for the environment!

I don't know what the jacket material is. I've seen some that say there is steel in
the bimetal jacket, which keeps it from passing the magnet test.

I'd be shooting the stuff in a heartbeat if they'd let me shoot it indoors.
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of certain gun owners causes problems.