Don't throw snowballs at each other if...
 

On 2/5/2015 9:52 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:08:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:

You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant.

Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin
Nagants and have ammo money left over!



No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian
rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :)

You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles.
They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or
their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style
blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style.
:)

Actually, I'm glad.

If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is.

I can see the pictures now:

http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p

Don't buy one. Please!


I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim,
beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's
lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too.

http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b

Yeah, I like my Winchester 94 for the same reasons. But it's not as much fun to shoot
as the Mosin Nagant.

Harry prefers more petite weaponry.

--

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Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Don't throw snowballs at each other if...
 

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:06:32 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/5/2015 9:52 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:08:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:

You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant.

Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin
Nagants and have ammo money left over!



No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian
rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :)

You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles.
They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or
their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style
blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style.
:)

Actually, I'm glad.

If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is.

I can see the pictures now:

http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p

Don't buy one. Please!


I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim,
beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's
lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too.

http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b

Yeah, I like my Winchester 94 for the same reasons. But it's not as much fun to shoot
as the Mosin Nagant.

Harry prefers more petite weaponry.

I believe he and Wayne have an ongoing discussion about Harry's 'short barrel'.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

Don't throw snowballs at each other if...
 

On 2/5/15 10:14 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:06:32 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/5/2015 9:52 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:08:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:

You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant.

Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin
Nagants and have ammo money left over!



No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian
rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :)

You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles.
They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or
their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style
blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style.
:)

Actually, I'm glad.

If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is.

I can see the pictures now:

http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p

Don't buy one. Please!


I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim,
beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's
lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too.

http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b

Yeah, I like my Winchester 94 for the same reasons. But it's not as much fun to shoot
as the Mosin Nagant.

Harry prefers more petite weaponry.

I believe he and Wayne have an ongoing discussion about Harry's 'short barrel'.


No, Wayne claims his barrel has dimples.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

Don't throw snowballs at each other if...
 

On 2/5/2015 10:14 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:06:32 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/5/2015 9:52 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:08:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:

You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant.

Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin
Nagants and have ammo money left over!



No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian
rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :)

You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles.
They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or
their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style
blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style.
:)

Actually, I'm glad.

If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is.

I can see the pictures now:

http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p

Don't buy one. Please!


I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim,
beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's
lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too.

http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b

Yeah, I like my Winchester 94 for the same reasons. But it's not as much fun to shoot
as the Mosin Nagant.

Harry prefers more petite weaponry.

I believe he and Wayne have an ongoing discussion about Harry's 'short barrel'.

That's a different story. We don't need to dwell on Harry's penis envy.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Don't throw snowballs at each other if...
 

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:06:32 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/5/2015 9:52 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:08:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:

You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant.

Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin
Nagants and have ammo money left over!



No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian
rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :)

You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles.
They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or
their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style
blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style.
:)

Actually, I'm glad.

If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is.

I can see the pictures now:

http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p

Don't buy one. Please!


I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim,
beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's
lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too.

http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b

Yeah, I like my Winchester 94 for the same reasons. But it's not as much fun to shoot
as the Mosin Nagant.

Harry prefers more petite weaponry.

===

He's definitely a small barrel kind of guy, and not a very straight
shooter either.

Don't throw snowballs at each other if...
 

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 11:31:43 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 06:46:23 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else
wrote:

Where do you find steel bullets?

The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic
but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or
so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to
a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half
(5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored
in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I
imagine the effect is less in a slower round.

If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever
notice.



Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this
interesting:

http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8

It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is
at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block
and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set
screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the
bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of
getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50
or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality
replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than
the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to
deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot
the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed.

If you are really that interested in precision shooting you should be
shooting match grade ammo.

===

Exactly. I was talking to one of my shooting buddys yesterday who
competes with his custom 223 at 300 yards. He uses match grade ammo
of course but he's noticed that the performance changes throughout the
day as temperatures warm up. As a result he has started keeping his
unfired ammo in a styrofoam cooler with a bit of ice in it to maintain
a constant temp.

Don't throw snowballs at each other if...
 

On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:57:54 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/5/2015 10:14 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:06:32 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 2/5/2015 9:52 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:08:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:

You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant.

Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin
Nagants and have ammo money left over!



No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian
rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :)

You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles.
They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or
their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style
blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style.
:)

Actually, I'm glad.

If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is.

I can see the pictures now:

http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p

Don't buy one. Please!


I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim,
beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's
lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too.

http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b

Yeah, I like my Winchester 94 for the same reasons. But it's not as much fun to shoot
as the Mosin Nagant.

Harry prefers more petite weaponry.

I believe he and Wayne have an ongoing discussion about Harry's 'short barrel'.

That's a different story. We don't need to dwell on Harry's penis envy.

===

It does seem to be an important part of his personna however.

Don't throw snowballs at each other if...
 

wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 06:46:23 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else
wrote:

Where do you find steel bullets?

The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic
but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or
so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to
a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half
(5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored
in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I
imagine the effect is less in a slower round.

If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever
notice.



Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this
interesting:

http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8

It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is
at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block
and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set
screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the
bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of
getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50
or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality
replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than
the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to
deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot
the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed.

If you are really that interested in precision shooting you should be
shooting match grade ammo.

What does that have to do with my not wanting to shoot the **** out of my
HBR?

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Don't throw snowballs at each other if...
 

On 2/5/2015 11:59 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:06:32 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote:

On 2/5/2015 9:52 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:08:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:

You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant.

Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin
Nagants and have ammo money left over!



No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian
rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :)

You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles.
They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or
their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style
blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style.
:)

Actually, I'm glad.

If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is.

I can see the pictures now:

http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p

Don't buy one. Please!


I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim,
beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's
lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too.

http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b

Yeah, I like my Winchester 94 for the same reasons. But it's not as much fun to shoot
as the Mosin Nagant.

Harry prefers more petite weaponry.

===

He's definitely a small barrel kind of guy, and not a very straight
shooter either.

That's no joke. ;-)

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

Don't throw snowballs at each other if...
 

wrote:
On 5 Feb 2015 17:32:00 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 06:46:23 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else
wrote:

Where do you find steel bullets?

The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic
but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or
so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to
a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half
(5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored
in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I
imagine the effect is less in a slower round.

If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever
notice.



Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this
interesting:

http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8

It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is
at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block
and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set
screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the
bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of
getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50
or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality
replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than
the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to
deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot
the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed.

If you are really that interested in precision shooting you should be
shooting match grade ammo.

What does that have to do with my not wanting to shoot the **** out of my
HBR?

You have to make up your mind whether you are into accuracy or just
volume of fire. The two do not go together.

When I decide I have done the best I can do with the ammo I am using, I
will upgrade to better ammo.
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