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On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 4:52 PM, Califbill wrote: Mucho Loco wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:21:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:32:55 -0500, Mucho Loco wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:51:00 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 08:50:26 -0500, Mucho Loco wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:25:19 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/2/15 8:49 PM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:29:37 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 08:41:32 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: ...you're black: https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-t...&v=AWq2HRSYFCg http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.2099426 I'm sure Harry will acknowledge his error and admit his anti-cop bias. Well, of course you believe the police version. Well, of course you believe the 30 second anti-cop version narrated by a bull****ter. === There's no reason not to believe the cop version. It has been very well investigated by the city of New Rochelle which has a very liberal mayor and a significant number of affluent and well educated blacks. If there was any scandal at all it would have been flushed out by now. Speaking of cops and guns. What ammo are you shooting in the MN? I'd like to try some of this stuff, but can't find a place to shoot it! http://tinyurl.com/jwsj8pj or: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411549818/Russian+7.62x54R+147gr.+Full+Metal+Jacket%2C+20+rd s?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=M osinAmmo27Jan2015 === That looks like the same stuff. The bullets are copper clad over a steel core and the cases are copper washed steel with a corrosive primer. They come wrapped in paper, 20 rounds to a bundle, and are about 30 cents a round here at a local gun shop. The only outdoor range I can find locally requires use of ammo purchased on site. They want $14.95 for a box of 20 of the Russian surplus stuff. Unreal. Buds is having a pretty good sale on it. Buy one box of theirs and have a bunch of yours in the range box. I guess we're lucky we have a public outdoor shooting range a reasonable distance away, and it doesn't sell ammo. :) The 50-yard indoor rifle range near here is private, but you can use your own ammo so long as you're not using steel bullets. Where do you find steel bullets? http://www.slickguns.com/product/762...-free-shipping -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/4/15 5:28 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 4:52 PM, Califbill wrote: Mucho Loco wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:21:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:32:55 -0500, Mucho Loco wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:51:00 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 08:50:26 -0500, Mucho Loco wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:25:19 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/2/15 8:49 PM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:29:37 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 08:41:32 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: ...you're black: https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-t...&v=AWq2HRSYFCg http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.2099426 I'm sure Harry will acknowledge his error and admit his anti-cop bias. Well, of course you believe the police version. Well, of course you believe the 30 second anti-cop version narrated by a bull****ter. === There's no reason not to believe the cop version. It has been very well investigated by the city of New Rochelle which has a very liberal mayor and a significant number of affluent and well educated blacks. If there was any scandal at all it would have been flushed out by now. Speaking of cops and guns. What ammo are you shooting in the MN? I'd like to try some of this stuff, but can't find a place to shoot it! http://tinyurl.com/jwsj8pj or: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411549818/Russian+7.62x54R+147gr.+Full+Metal+Jacket%2C+20+rd s?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=M osinAmmo27Jan2015 === That looks like the same stuff. The bullets are copper clad over a steel core and the cases are copper washed steel with a corrosive primer. They come wrapped in paper, 20 rounds to a bundle, and are about 30 cents a round here at a local gun shop. The only outdoor range I can find locally requires use of ammo purchased on site. They want $14.95 for a box of 20 of the Russian surplus stuff. Unreal. Buds is having a pretty good sale on it. Buy one box of theirs and have a bunch of yours in the range box. I guess we're lucky we have a public outdoor shooting range a reasonable distance away, and it doesn't sell ammo. :) The 50-yard indoor rifle range near here is private, but you can use your own ammo so long as you're not using steel bullets. Our public range sells ammo. Not overpriced. Convenient. I rarely buy ammo from other than mail order suppliers. The local dealers that are convenient to me rarely have the brand names of ammo I want to buy, or, if they do, they want a lot more money for it when you figure in their retail versus a mail order supplier's price plus shipping. I won't use steel ammo. I don't mind aluminum casings on .357 MAG rounds, but I stay away from steel casings. For my AR-15, I've found Wolf Gold and PMC ammo in brass casings to be reliable, accurate enough for my level of shooting, and at 27 cents or so a round, reasonable. I finally talked my neighbor down the street out of paying 50 cents a round for the Federal .223 at Walmart. What's hard to find right now at reasonable prices is CCI Standard Velocity .22LR. These feed very nicely through my .22LR semi-auto pistol and rifle, and work well with my silencer, since the rounds are sub-sonic. Around here, the dealer who can sell silencers tack on $50 to $75 to the silencer selling price for "handling" the paperwork, and the ATF stamp is $200. Both prices are a colossal rip, and it takes the ARF four to six months to diddle around with the app until you get the stamp back. Never shot steel case in my 357, but I would see no problem with it in a revolver. |
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On 2/4/2015 5:53 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/4/15 5:28 PM, Califbill wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 4:52 PM, Califbill wrote: Mucho Loco wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:21:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:32:55 -0500, Mucho Loco wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:51:00 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 08:50:26 -0500, Mucho Loco wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:25:19 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/2/15 8:49 PM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:29:37 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 08:41:32 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: ...you're black: https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-t...&v=AWq2HRSYFCg http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.2099426 I'm sure Harry will acknowledge his error and admit his anti-cop bias. Well, of course you believe the police version. Well, of course you believe the 30 second anti-cop version narrated by a bull****ter. === There's no reason not to believe the cop version. It has been very well investigated by the city of New Rochelle which has a very liberal mayor and a significant number of affluent and well educated blacks. If there was any scandal at all it would have been flushed out by now. Speaking of cops and guns. What ammo are you shooting in the MN? I'd like to try some of this stuff, but can't find a place to shoot it! http://tinyurl.com/jwsj8pj or: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411549818/Russian+7.62x54R+147gr.+Full+Metal+Jacket%2C+20+rd s?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=M osinAmmo27Jan2015 === That looks like the same stuff. The bullets are copper clad over a steel core and the cases are copper washed steel with a corrosive primer. They come wrapped in paper, 20 rounds to a bundle, and are about 30 cents a round here at a local gun shop. The only outdoor range I can find locally requires use of ammo purchased on site. They want $14.95 for a box of 20 of the Russian surplus stuff. Unreal. Buds is having a pretty good sale on it. Buy one box of theirs and have a bunch of yours in the range box. I guess we're lucky we have a public outdoor shooting range a reasonable distance away, and it doesn't sell ammo. :) The 50-yard indoor rifle range near here is private, but you can use your own ammo so long as you're not using steel bullets. Our public range sells ammo. Not overpriced. Convenient. I rarely buy ammo from other than mail order suppliers. The local dealers that are convenient to me rarely have the brand names of ammo I want to buy, or, if they do, they want a lot more money for it when you figure in their retail versus a mail order supplier's price plus shipping. I won't use steel ammo. I don't mind aluminum casings on .357 MAG rounds, but I stay away from steel casings. For my AR-15, I've found Wolf Gold and PMC ammo in brass casings to be reliable, accurate enough for my level of shooting, and at 27 cents or so a round, reasonable. I finally talked my neighbor down the street out of paying 50 cents a round for the Federal .223 at Walmart. What's hard to find right now at reasonable prices is CCI Standard Velocity .22LR. These feed very nicely through my .22LR semi-auto pistol and rifle, and work well with my silencer, since the rounds are sub-sonic. Around here, the dealer who can sell silencers tack on $50 to $75 to the silencer selling price for "handling" the paperwork, and the ATF stamp is $200. Both prices are a colossal rip, and it takes the ARF four to six months to diddle around with the app until you get the stamp back. You should have bought your silencer from one of your gangster buddies and saved yourself the hassle of dealing with the govt. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 06:46:23 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant. Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin Nagants and have ammo money left over! -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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On 2/5/15 8:33 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 06:46:23 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant. Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin Nagants and have ammo money left over! No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :) You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles. They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style. :) -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:45:36 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/5/15 8:33 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 06:46:23 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant. Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin Nagants and have ammo money left over! No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :) You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles. They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style. :) Actually, I'm glad. If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is. I can see the pictures now: http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p Don't buy one. Please! -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant. Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin Nagants and have ammo money left over! No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :) You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles. They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style. :) Actually, I'm glad. If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is. I can see the pictures now: http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p Don't buy one. Please! I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim, beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too. http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:08:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant. Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin Nagants and have ammo money left over! No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :) You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles. They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style. :) Actually, I'm glad. If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is. I can see the pictures now: http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p Don't buy one. Please! I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim, beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too. http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b Yeah, I like my Winchester 94 for the same reasons. But it's not as much fun to shoot as the Mosin Nagant. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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