On 1/27/2015 1:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:19:11 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 1/27/2015 7:52 AM, Gene Kearns wrote:

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:19:02 -0500, wrote:

I would agree (aside from corn farmers) there is nothing good about
ethanol. One of my biggest concerns is labeling.

In NC, the General Assembly, unable to ban labeling, defunded
enforcement. So, I wonder if consumers will actually know what they
are pouring into their tank.... unless the Feds are doing the
enforcement.



On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 20:51:17 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:


And it is a Federal Requirement to placard the dispensing pump. It is
illegal to burn E15 in boats!

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/ethanol.shtml



Ethanol is the biggest scam since the chlorophyll craze in the 50s.
The corn farmers want corn in everything and they figured out how to
get it in your car.

A real ecologist would point out it is worse than gasoline on several
counts, not to mention the depletion of the Ogalalla aquifer.
When that water is gone, we will forget there was ever an oil
"crisis".



Twenty years from now you will be more disppointed
by the things that you didn't do than by the ones
you did do.

So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.
- Mark Twain


1987 23' Grady-White Gulfstream
2005 20' Angler CC
2004 17' G3 CC 1756

Out of Shallotte, NC



Gene, what would replace the oxygenator in gasoline? That was the
original purpose of ethanol ... as a replacement for MBTE which was
banned.

Maybe you are of the school that engines today do not need an
oxygenator in gasoline?



I am not sure what they use but we are seeing REC-90 (ethanol free)
pumps popping up everywhere. I don't think it is worth the extra 50
cents to a buck extra but plenty of people do.
A cruel joke would be to find out they swapped ethanol for methanol.
That would not change the phase separation problem much.



I was reading a couple of hours ago that ethanol was chosen to replace
MBTE because it was inexpensive and plentiful. Henry Ford originally
wanted to run his cars on it.

I am not a proponent of ethanol. I just don't think it's responsible
for many of the engine/fuel lines issues that you hear about, although
at one time it was. I remember Yellowfin having to recall a number of
boats with built-in fiberglass fuel tanks because the ethanol was
reacting with the resin in the fiberglass. That was many years ago
and the problem was fixed.

Products (lawnmowers, chain saws, etc.,) that have been "ethanolized"
with compatible rubber fuel lines and whatever don't seem to have any
problems with it. As for phase separation and low octane "vodka" on the
bottom of the tank, I remain skeptical. I ran the Town Car down almost
to empty with the old gas that was in it because I thought I was going
to have to drop the tank to replace the fuel sender unit. (Turns out I
didn't have to). The car ran just fine with the tank almost empty and
with 1-2 year old E-10 gas in it. Maybe it likes vodka.