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On 12/10/14 2:10 PM, Toad Gig wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:52:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/10/14 1:14 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... That's the problem with people like BOA. He selectively ignores some things if it doesn't serve his argument. The trouble with "people like Luddite" is they can't help dragging partisan politics into a subject titled "Torturing SOB's." There is plenty of debate going on about the release of this report and it's not limited to the right-leaning media outlets. Even MSNBC has raised some questions regarding the motivations of Feinstien and her committee. The committee never bothered interviewing any of the people who were actually involved in the interrogation program as research for the report. It started as a conclusion which then had to be justified with selectively chosen accusations and facts. You are correct. Many of the same people were chastising the CIA for not doing enough shortly after 9/11. Finger pointing and evading responsibility. That's all. You just evade the point of my post, which is that U.S. Government engaged in widespread torture. Maybe you don't believe it happened. Or maybe you think it's okay. But you want to get into political ****-slinging. I don't. Sorry about that. You can argue politics with Scotty. Go right ahead. We used to be able to claim the high moral ground because even in warfare, we supposedly did not engage in war-making on civilians to the extent our "enemies" did. World War II put that claim to death, of course, with our massive bombings of mostly civilian parts of cities in Germany and Japan, and the horrors we perpetrated on Vietnamese civilians. Yeah, we should have left Hitler and Tojo just have their way. What a f'ing joke, Toad. As usual, you just don't get the point. The point is, if your enemy engages in war against non-combatant civilians and you do, too, then you've lost your claim to the high moral ground. That the Japanese and the Germans killed millions of innocent people didn't make it "ok" for us to firebomb civilian areas. Operation Meetinghouse, for example, supposedly killed more than 100,000 civilian Japanese, and many believe the death toll was much higher. -- I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers. After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer. |
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#3
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:36:54 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 12/10/14 2:10 PM, Toad Gig wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:52:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/10/14 1:14 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... That's the problem with people like BOA. He selectively ignores some things if it doesn't serve his argument. The trouble with "people like Luddite" is they can't help dragging partisan politics into a subject titled "Torturing SOB's." There is plenty of debate going on about the release of this report and it's not limited to the right-leaning media outlets. Even MSNBC has raised some questions regarding the motivations of Feinstien and her committee. The committee never bothered interviewing any of the people who were actually involved in the interrogation program as research for the report. It started as a conclusion which then had to be justified with selectively chosen accusations and facts. You are correct. Many of the same people were chastising the CIA for not doing enough shortly after 9/11. Finger pointing and evading responsibility. That's all. You just evade the point of my post, which is that U.S. Government engaged in widespread torture. Maybe you don't believe it happened. Or maybe you think it's okay. But you want to get into political ****-slinging. I don't. Sorry about that. You can argue politics with Scotty. Go right ahead. We used to be able to claim the high moral ground because even in warfare, we supposedly did not engage in war-making on civilians to the extent our "enemies" did. World War II put that claim to death, of course, with our massive bombings of mostly civilian parts of cities in Germany and Japan, and the horrors we perpetrated on Vietnamese civilians. Yeah, we should have left Hitler and Tojo just have their way. What a f'ing joke, Toad. As usual, you just don't get the point. The point is, if your enemy engages in war against non-combatant civilians and you do, too, then you've lost your claim to the high moral ground. That the Japanese and the Germans killed millions of innocent people didn't make it "ok" for us to firebomb civilian areas. Operation Meetinghouse, for example, supposedly killed more than 100,000 civilian Japanese, and many believe the death toll was much higher. The only time you give a **** about 'high moral ground' is when it's occupation may harm this country. F'ing joke, Toad. Face it. -- "The modern definition of 'ingrained racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a couple liberals." (Thanks, Luddite!) |
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On 12/10/14 2:49 PM, Toad Gig wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:36:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/10/14 2:10 PM, Toad Gig wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:52:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/10/14 1:14 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... That's the problem with people like BOA. He selectively ignores some things if it doesn't serve his argument. The trouble with "people like Luddite" is they can't help dragging partisan politics into a subject titled "Torturing SOB's." There is plenty of debate going on about the release of this report and it's not limited to the right-leaning media outlets. Even MSNBC has raised some questions regarding the motivations of Feinstien and her committee. The committee never bothered interviewing any of the people who were actually involved in the interrogation program as research for the report. It started as a conclusion which then had to be justified with selectively chosen accusations and facts. You are correct. Many of the same people were chastising the CIA for not doing enough shortly after 9/11. Finger pointing and evading responsibility. That's all. You just evade the point of my post, which is that U.S. Government engaged in widespread torture. Maybe you don't believe it happened. Or maybe you think it's okay. But you want to get into political ****-slinging. I don't. Sorry about that. You can argue politics with Scotty. Go right ahead. We used to be able to claim the high moral ground because even in warfare, we supposedly did not engage in war-making on civilians to the extent our "enemies" did. World War II put that claim to death, of course, with our massive bombings of mostly civilian parts of cities in Germany and Japan, and the horrors we perpetrated on Vietnamese civilians. Yeah, we should have left Hitler and Tojo just have their way. What a f'ing joke, Toad. As usual, you just don't get the point. The point is, if your enemy engages in war against non-combatant civilians and you do, too, then you've lost your claim to the high moral ground. That the Japanese and the Germans killed millions of innocent people didn't make it "ok" for us to firebomb civilian areas. Operation Meetinghouse, for example, supposedly killed more than 100,000 civilian Japanese, and many believe the death toll was much higher. The only time you give a **** about 'high moral ground' is when it's occupation may harm this country. F'ing joke, Toad. Face it. And once again, you miss the point. The point is, we tend to claim the high moral ground in this country for our military actions, and since we sometimes behave as badly as our enemies, it's just another "my country right or wrong" hypocrisy. Personally, I don't give a **** one way or the other. But righties like you do. -- I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers. After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer. |
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:52:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 12/10/14 2:49 PM, Toad Gig wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:36:54 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/10/14 2:10 PM, Toad Gig wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:52:05 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/10/14 1:14 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... That's the problem with people like BOA. He selectively ignores some things if it doesn't serve his argument. The trouble with "people like Luddite" is they can't help dragging partisan politics into a subject titled "Torturing SOB's." There is plenty of debate going on about the release of this report and it's not limited to the right-leaning media outlets. Even MSNBC has raised some questions regarding the motivations of Feinstien and her committee. The committee never bothered interviewing any of the people who were actually involved in the interrogation program as research for the report. It started as a conclusion which then had to be justified with selectively chosen accusations and facts. You are correct. Many of the same people were chastising the CIA for not doing enough shortly after 9/11. Finger pointing and evading responsibility. That's all. You just evade the point of my post, which is that U.S. Government engaged in widespread torture. Maybe you don't believe it happened. Or maybe you think it's okay. But you want to get into political ****-slinging. I don't. Sorry about that. You can argue politics with Scotty. Go right ahead. We used to be able to claim the high moral ground because even in warfare, we supposedly did not engage in war-making on civilians to the extent our "enemies" did. World War II put that claim to death, of course, with our massive bombings of mostly civilian parts of cities in Germany and Japan, and the horrors we perpetrated on Vietnamese civilians. Yeah, we should have left Hitler and Tojo just have their way. What a f'ing joke, Toad. As usual, you just don't get the point. The point is, if your enemy engages in war against non-combatant civilians and you do, too, then you've lost your claim to the high moral ground. That the Japanese and the Germans killed millions of innocent people didn't make it "ok" for us to firebomb civilian areas. Operation Meetinghouse, for example, supposedly killed more than 100,000 civilian Japanese, and many believe the death toll was much higher. The only time you give a **** about 'high moral ground' is when it's occupation may harm this country. F'ing joke, Toad. Face it. And once again, you miss the point. The point is, we tend to claim the high moral ground in this country for our military actions, and since we sometimes behave as badly as our enemies, it's just another "my country right or wrong" hypocrisy. Personally, I don't give a **** one way or the other. But righties like you do. You obviously give a ****, Toad. How many posts have you now made on the subject. Like I say, Toad, if occupying the 'high moral ground' could hurt this country, you're all for it. You've spent a lot of time and effort convincing all here you have no morals. WAFJ, Toad. -- "The modern definition of 'ingrained racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a couple liberals." (Thanks, Luddite!) |
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:55:11 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 12/11/14 12:35 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:52:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: And once again, you miss the point. The point is, we tend to claim the high moral ground in this country for our military actions, and since we sometimes behave as badly as our enemies, it's just another "my country right or wrong" hypocrisy. That moral high ground is mostly a myth anyway. Which war was "moral"? If you don't think the OSS or the FBI used coercive interrogation methods you have been watching too many movies. Indeed. Though I do think we were on the side of morality in WW II. Not according to the dead. :) -- "The modern definition of 'ingrained racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a couple liberals." (Thanks, Luddite!) |
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On 12/11/14 1:24 PM, Toad Gig wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:35:36 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:52:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: And once again, you miss the point. The point is, we tend to claim the high moral ground in this country for our military actions, and since we sometimes behave as badly as our enemies, it's just another "my country right or wrong" hypocrisy. That moral high ground is mostly a myth anyway. Which war was "moral"? If you don't think the OSS or the FBI used coercive interrogation methods you have been watching too many movies. 'Moral high ground' is a term used by liberals who disagree that a threat may exist or should be defeated. Wrong as usual. Moral high ground is a synonym right-wing dip****s like you use to justify your feelings of 'my country, right or wrong." It's the simplethink that people like you use to justify the slaughter of a million plus SE Asians and 100,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis in pursuit of a right-wing war against the wrong countries. -- I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers. After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/11/14 1:24 PM, Toad Gig wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:35:36 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:52:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: And once again, you miss the point. The point is, we tend to claim the high moral ground in this country for our military actions, and since we sometimes behave as badly as our enemies, it's just another "my country right or wrong" hypocrisy. That moral high ground is mostly a myth anyway. Which war was "moral"? If you don't think the OSS or the FBI used coercive interrogation methods you have been watching too many movies. 'Moral high ground' is a term used by liberals who disagree that a threat may exist or should be defeated. Wrong as usual. Moral high ground is a synonym right-wing dip****s like you use to justify your feelings of 'my country, right or wrong." It's the simplethink that people like you use to justify the slaughter of a million plus SE Asians and 100,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis in pursuit of a right-wing war against the wrong countries. I thought it was a left wing war. LBJ was a Democrat. |
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