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On 12/14/2014 1:04 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical
loonytarian mind.

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats. And
please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.


Carter is responsible for lots of the present wars! He basically showed we
would do nothing if we were attacked. A year of hostages in our embassy?
Ghengis Khan would have laid waste to Iran. Fact is he did it over his
ambassadors being killed back in the 1200's.



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On 12/14/14 1:04 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical
loonytarian mind.

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats. And
please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.


Carter is responsible for lots of the present wars! He basically showed we
would do nothing if we were attacked. A year of hostages in our embassy?
Ghengis Khan would have laid waste to Iran. Fact is he did it over his
ambassadors being killed back in the 1200's.


Carter is responsible for none of the hostages Iran held being executed,
and Reagan is responsible for selling us out in Iran.

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if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide.

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On Saturday, December 13, 2014 7:33:49 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:

I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites),

Just like you krause, a boring, cheap flop.......

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/14 2:12 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.

OK you win. If I take all of these little interventions into account
it is 14 to 4 and the 4 include Granada, Panama and the Mexican border
incursion to catch Poncho Villa along with the 100 hour gulf war.

In the D side you have WW1 that we really could have avoided, Vietnam
and Korea that were totally unnecessary WWII that was inevitable.
There were 10 other minor to major involvements from Kosovo and
Bosnia to misadventures like Somalia.


Whatever point you were trying to make as to connections between wars
and who is holding the white house was specious. I don't know much about
the Korean Conflict, but I do agree Vietnam was avoidable.

--
Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president,
if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/14 3:56 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/14/14 2:12 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.

OK you win. If I take all of these little interventions into account
it is 14 to 4 and the 4 include Granada, Panama and the Mexican border
incursion to catch Poncho Villa along with the 100 hour gulf war.

In the D side you have WW1 that we really could have avoided, Vietnam
and Korea that were totally unnecessary WWII that was inevitable.
There were 10 other minor to major involvements from Kosovo and
Bosnia to misadventures like Somalia.


Whatever point you were trying to make as to connections between wars
and who is holding the white house was specious. I don't know much about
the Korean Conflict, but I do agree Vietnam was avoidable.

Is this how you tuck your tail between your legs and slink off to lick
your wounds?



If you get another life, Bertie, try paying attention in high school and
not being a disciplinary problem so the court offers you more choices
than jail or joining the marines.

--
Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president,
if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/2014 2:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/14/14 1:04 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one
of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th
century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of
thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline
imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one
might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone
posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific
wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend
its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to
create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and
fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the
instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though
he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took
some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while,
anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots
your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic
presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G.
H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count
as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough
Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the
non-critical
loonytarian mind.

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And
please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.


Carter is responsible for lots of the present wars! He basically
showed we
would do nothing if we were attacked. A year of hostages in our embassy?
Ghengis Khan would have laid waste to Iran. Fact is he did it over his
ambassadors being killed back in the 1200's.


Carter is responsible for none of the hostages Iran held being executed,
and Reagan is responsible for selling us out in Iran.



--
Patriotic Americans dump on Krause.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/2014 3:56 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/14/14 2:12 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.

OK you win. If I take all of these little interventions into account
it is 14 to 4 and the 4 include Granada, Panama and the Mexican border
incursion to catch Poncho Villa along with the 100 hour gulf war.

In the D side you have WW1 that we really could have avoided, Vietnam
and Korea that were totally unnecessary WWII that was inevitable.
There were 10 other minor to major involvements from Kosovo and
Bosnia to misadventures like Somalia.


Whatever point you were trying to make as to connections between wars
and who is holding the white house was specious. I don't know much about
the Korean Conflict, but I do agree Vietnam was avoidable.

Is this how you tuck your tail between your legs and slink off to lick
your wounds?



--
Patriotic Americans dump on Krause.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/2014 3:51 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical
loonytarian mind.

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.

Why don't you go and bay your back taxes, then we will think about
entertaining any of your arguments about government activity. It is kind
of like if you don't vote shut your mouth and if you don't pay your
taxes shut your mouth.

Now You're talking

--
Patriotic Americans dump on Krause.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/2014 3:55 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/14/14 1:04 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical
loonytarian mind.

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats. And
please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.


Carter is responsible for lots of the present wars! He basically showed we
would do nothing if we were attacked. A year of hostages in our embassy?
Ghengis Khan would have laid waste to Iran. Fact is he did it over his
ambassadors being killed back in the 1200's.


Carter is responsible for none of the hostages Iran held being executed,
and Reagan is responsible for selling us out in Iran.

But, he, Carter, is responsible for the hostages being held for 400+
days.

Carter is no longer the worst president in a hundred years.

--
Patriotic Americans dump on Krause.

Torturing SOB's
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/14/14 2:12 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.

OK you win. If I take all of these little interventions into account
it is 14 to 4 and the 4 include Granada, Panama and the Mexican border
incursion to catch Poncho Villa along with the 100 hour gulf war.

In the D side you have WW1 that we really could have avoided, Vietnam
and Korea that were totally unnecessary WWII that was inevitable.
There were 10 other minor to major involvements from Kosovo and
Bosnia to misadventures like Somalia.


Whatever point you were trying to make as to connections between wars and
who is holding the white house was specious. I don't know much about the
Korean Conflict, but I do agree Vietnam was avoidable.


You seem to think who is holding the White House is not specious when it
comes to Bush.