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On 12/13/2014 12:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush administration. Oh, wait, you libertarians believe Reagan and Bush were Democrats, right? Your perspectives on history lack...perspective. Come on Harry. Have you forgotten about Saddam invading Kuwait and the 34 nations who joined with the US to boot him out? As for war planning, the Pentagon (under any president) is constantly developing "what if" scenarios for virtually any conflict or contingency. Greg posited that *all* the wars in which we engaged in the 20th Century were entered when Democratic presidents were in office. My counterposit was that Greg was incorrect, and I offered an example. The cause of that first Gulf War is not relevant to either Greg's claim or my counterclaim. And of course your second point about planning is correct. Retrospective analysis of complex actions like wars usually requires looking beyond simple reasons. Trying to attribute them to the party of the party in the White House is simple minded. -- Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president, if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide. It's fun to watch you step on your tongue, as you did here. |
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On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote: I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :) I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what Hitler had "speechified" to heart. In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :) You never pointed out anything I said that was not true. Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to hell in a handbasket. How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush administration. How many Americans died in the first gulf war? What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died? It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo, Haiti or Somalia. Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical loonytarian mind. -- Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president, if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide. |
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On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote: I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :) I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what Hitler had "speechified" to heart. In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :) You never pointed out anything I said that was not true. Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to hell in a handbasket. How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush administration. How many Americans died in the first gulf war? What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died? It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo, Haiti or Somalia. Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical loonytarian mind. You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10 year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going on. We are simply in a cease fire. No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats. And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war. -- Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president, if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide. |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote: I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :) I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what Hitler had "speechified" to heart. In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :) You never pointed out anything I said that was not true. Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to hell in a handbasket. How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush administration. How many Americans died in the first gulf war? What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died? It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo, Haiti or Somalia. Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical loonytarian mind. You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10 year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going on. We are simply in a cease fire. No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats. And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war. Was your red barn an 'error' that should be pointed out! -- Here's hoping you have a very Merry Christmas, and a spectacular New Year! |
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On 12/14/2014 11:40 AM, Toad Gigger wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote: I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :) I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what Hitler had "speechified" to heart. In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :) You never pointed out anything I said that was not true. Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to hell in a handbasket. How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush administration. How many Americans died in the first gulf war? What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died? It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo, Haiti or Somalia. Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical loonytarian mind. You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10 year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going on. We are simply in a cease fire. No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats. And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war. Was your red barn an 'error' that should be pointed out! Krause made a number of errors that contributed to his financial ruination. |
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On 12/14/2014 11:40 AM, Toad Gigger wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote: I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :) I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what Hitler had "speechified" to heart. In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :) You never pointed out anything I said that was not true. Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to hell in a handbasket. How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush administration. How many Americans died in the first gulf war? What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died? It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo, Haiti or Somalia. Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical loonytarian mind. You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10 year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going on. We are simply in a cease fire. No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats. And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war. Was your red barn an 'error' that should be pointed out! -- Dump on Krause. He earned it. Dump on Krause. He earned it. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote: I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :) I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what Hitler had "speechified" to heart. In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :) You never pointed out anything I said that was not true. Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to hell in a handbasket. How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush administration. How many Americans died in the first gulf war? What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died? It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo, Haiti or Somalia. Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical loonytarian mind. You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10 year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going on. We are simply in a cease fire. No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats. And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war. Carter is responsible for lots of the present wars! He basically showed we would do nothing if we were attacked. A year of hostages in our embassy? Ghengis Khan would have laid waste to Iran. Fact is he did it over his ambassadors being killed back in the 1200's. |
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