Thank you.
 

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think
it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun
control and Feguson.

You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about.



Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks
and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private.

Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories.
I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head.

Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment
in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a
compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I
know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was
stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something.



The banned hold was released before the guy died. He had enough air to
say, "I can't breathe" quite a few times after the hold was released.
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

....Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)

Thank you.
 

On 12/3/2014 3:20 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think
it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun
control and Feguson.

You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about.



Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks
and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private.

Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories.
I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head.

Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment
in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a
compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I
know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was
stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something.



The banned hold was released before the guy died. He had enough air to
say, "I can't breathe" quite a few times after the hold was released.


Ah. Didn't know that. You should advise the medical examiner of his
error. His findings:

"The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide, saying it was
caused by neck compressions from a chokehold and "the compression of his
chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."
Asthma, heart disease and obesity were contributing factors in the
death, the medical examiner said."

Thank you.
 

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:34:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:20 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think
it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun
control and Feguson.

You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about.



Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks
and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private.

Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories.
I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head.

Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment
in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a
compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I
know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was
stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something.



The banned hold was released before the guy died. He had enough air to
say, "I can't breathe" quite a few times after the hold was released.


Ah. Didn't know that. You should advise the medical examiner of his
error. His findings:

"The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide, saying it was
caused by neck compressions from a chokehold and "the compression of his
chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."
Asthma, heart disease and obesity were contributing factors in the
death, the medical examiner said."

The medical examiner could have watched the tape like I did. The hold
was, in fact, released before the guy died.

You're looking awfully hard there, Dep'ty.
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

....Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)

Thank you.
 

On 12/3/2014 2:54 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:05:32 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

===

Dangerous stuff.

I hope you had all of your shots first and took reasonable precautions
while walking among the unwashed.

Welcome back and hope you're feeling better.

The unwashed? You walk among the heartless.


Yeah, that's why with our limited resources we still work every day with
two "kids at risk"... Cause we're selfish and heartless.

Funny just got a call today from a kid we helped nearly 20 years ago. He
told me, "remember that old ladder you gave me to start my painting
business with? Still making money with that old thing every day".

Most folks here would never know my wife and I been "paying it forward"
for nearly a generation.... yeah, it hurts sometimes, and we been
butt****ed too, but when it works, it's good.....

Thank you.
 

On 12/3/2014 3:04 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 11:59:44 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

KC
- show quoted text -
" Not gonna' get tied up with semantics. Fact is being mocked and
dismissed by folks you thought were being responsible participants and
folks you generally look at as good honest folks, did bother me. Turns
out it was for folly, so it doesn't matter now anyway. "


Good Lord.........stop being such a drama queen.

Didn't you just post a whole song to show what a drama queen you can
be?

Yes he did.... like a 12 year old girl.
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

...Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)

Thank you.
 

On 12/3/2014 3:46 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:34:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:20 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think
it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun
control and Feguson.

You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about.



Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks
and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private.

Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories.
I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head.

Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment
in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a
compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I
know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was
stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something.



The banned hold was released before the guy died. He had enough air to
say, "I can't breathe" quite a few times after the hold was released.


Ah. Didn't know that. You should advise the medical examiner of his
error. His findings:

"The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide, saying it was
caused by neck compressions from a chokehold and "the compression of his
chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."
Asthma, heart disease and obesity were contributing factors in the
death, the medical examiner said."

The medical examiner could have watched the tape like I did. The hold
was, in fact, released before the guy died.

You're looking awfully hard there, Dep'ty.

Sounds like you are looking much harder than I am. I simply read the
medical examiner's autopsy report.

Thank you.
 

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think
it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun
control and Feguson.

You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about.



Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks
and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private.

Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories.
I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head.

Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment
in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a
compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I
know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was
stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something.

So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were
"walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed."

Thank you.
 

On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think
it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun
control and Feguson.

You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about.



Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks
and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private.

Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories.
I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head.

Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment
in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a
compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I
know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was
stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something.

So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were
"walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed."


Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder.
Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically.

What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must
toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other.
I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both
Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job.

But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to
have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am
automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up.

Thank you.
 

On 12/3/2014 2:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal"
thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)



Do you play devils advocate with her too?

Thank you.
 

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think
it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun
control and Feguson.

You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about.



Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks
and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private.

Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories.
I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head.

Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment
in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a
compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I
know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was
stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something.

So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were
"walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed."


Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder.
Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically.

What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must
toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other.
I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both
Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job.

But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to
have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am
automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up.


Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats.

You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed.