On 12/3/2014 2:54 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:05:32 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

===

Dangerous stuff.

I hope you had all of your shots first and took reasonable precautions
while walking among the unwashed.

Welcome back and hope you're feeling better.

The unwashed? You walk among the heartless.


Yeah, that's why with our limited resources we still work every day with
two "kids at risk"... Cause we're selfish and heartless.

Funny just got a call today from a kid we helped nearly 20 years ago. He
told me, "remember that old ladder you gave me to start my painting
business with? Still making money with that old thing every day".

Most folks here would never know my wife and I been "paying it forward"
for nearly a generation.... yeah, it hurts sometimes, and we been
butt****ed too, but when it works, it's good.....

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 11:54:25 -0800, jps wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:05:32 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

===

Dangerous stuff.

I hope you had all of your shots first and took reasonable precautions
while walking among the unwashed.

Welcome back and hope you're feeling better.

The unwashed? You walk among the heartless.

===

Not really. I do have little sympathy for lawlessness and those who
don't try to help themselves however.

On 12/3/14 7:45 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 11:54:25 -0800, jps wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:05:32 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

===

Dangerous stuff.

I hope you had all of your shots first and took reasonable precautions
while walking among the unwashed.

Welcome back and hope you're feeling better.

The unwashed? You walk among the heartless.

===

Not really. I do have little sympathy for lawlessness and those who
don't try to help themselves however.


That's sort of funny coming from a guy who spent his business career
working for an incompetent banking organization, Citibank, that received
multibillion dollar bailouts from the federal government and had to
cough up $300 million in civil fraud penalties.

--
I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers.
After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer.

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 20:40:06 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

===

Not really. I do have little sympathy for lawlessness and those who
don't try to help themselves however.


That's sort of funny coming from a guy who spent his business career
working for an incompetent banking organization, Citibank, that received
multibillion dollar bailouts from the federal government and had to
cough up $300 million in civil fraud penalties.

===

Was Citibank one of the organizations that forced you into bankruptcy?

Twice.

Any luck paying your back taxes and the creditors you stiffed?

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 12/3/14 7:45 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 11:54:25 -0800, jps wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:05:32 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

===

Dangerous stuff.

I hope you had all of your shots first and took reasonable precautions
while walking among the unwashed.

Welcome back and hope you're feeling better.

The unwashed? You walk among the heartless.

===

Not really. I do have little sympathy for lawlessness and those who
don't try to help themselves however.


That's sort of funny coming from a guy who spent his business career
working for an incompetent banking organization, Citibank, that received
multibillion dollar bailouts from the federal government and had to cough
up $300 million in civil fraud penalties.


Were they incompetent because they loaned to you?

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think
it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun
control and Feguson.

You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about.

On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think
it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun
control and Feguson.

You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about.



Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks
and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private.

Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories.
I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head.

Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment
in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a
compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I
know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was
stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something.

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think
it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun
control and Feguson.

You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about.



Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks
and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private.

Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories.
I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head.

Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment
in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a
compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I
know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was
stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something.



The banned hold was released before the guy died. He had enough air to
say, "I can't breathe" quite a few times after the hold was released.
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

....Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)