On 12/3/2014 4:14 PM, Let it snowe wrote:
On 12/3/2014 2:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received
and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and
interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin
that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in
rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal"
thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)



Do you play devils advocate with her too?


One must do what one must do to survive.

On 12/3/2014 4:21 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think
it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun
control and Feguson.

You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about.



Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks
and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private.

Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories.
I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head.

Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment
in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a
compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I
know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was
stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something.

So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were
"walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed."


Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder.
Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically.

What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must
toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other.
I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both
Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job.

But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to
have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am
automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up.


Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats.

You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed.


Oh brother...

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:53:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:46 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:34:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:20 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think
it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun
control and Feguson.

You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about.



Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks
and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private.

Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories.
I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head.

Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment
in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a
compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I
know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was
stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something.



The banned hold was released before the guy died. He had enough air to
say, "I can't breathe" quite a few times after the hold was released.


Ah. Didn't know that. You should advise the medical examiner of his
error. His findings:

"The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide, saying it was
caused by neck compressions from a chokehold and "the compression of his
chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."
Asthma, heart disease and obesity were contributing factors in the
death, the medical examiner said."

The medical examiner could have watched the tape like I did. The hold
was, in fact, released before the guy died.

You're looking awfully hard there, Dep'ty.

Sounds like you are looking much harder than I am. I simply read the
medical examiner's autopsy report.

If you're going to 'correct' someone, get your ducks in a row.
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

....Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think
it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun
control and Feguson.

You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about.



Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks
and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private.

Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories.
I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head.

Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment
in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a
compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I
know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was
stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something.

So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were
"walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed."


Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder.
Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically.

What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must
toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other.
I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both
Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job.

But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to
have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am
automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up.


Who branded you a 'raging liberal'?
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

....Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think
it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun
control and Feguson.

You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about.



Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks
and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private.

Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories.
I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head.

Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment
in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a
compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I
know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was
stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something.

So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were
"walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed."


Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder.
Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically.

What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must
toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other.
I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both
Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job.

But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to
have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am
automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up.


Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats.

You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed.

Speaking of drama queens.
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

....Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)

Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting
discussions sometimes. :-)

So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think
it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun
control and Feguson.

You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about.



Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks
and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private.

Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories.
I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head.

Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment
in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a
compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I
know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was
stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something.

So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were
"walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed."


Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder.
Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically.

What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must
toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other.
I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both
Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job.

But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to
have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am
automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up.


Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats.

You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed.

Speaking of drama queens.
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

...Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)

Why are you such an obstreperous asshole?
--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote:

But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to
have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am
automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up.


Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats.

You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed.

===

I'm a bit of a tree hugger myself but I *do* have a sense of humor.
You might be able to find one on sale this week.

On 3 Dec 2014 21:52:49 GMT, F*O*A*D wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote:

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for
a while to observe reactions in the group.

I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and
how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them.
I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting
issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words,
viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't
necessarily reflect your own views.

From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed.
The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that
have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of
references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal.

Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who
post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard
liberal.

Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a
more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control
issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative
mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking.

Thank you all for your participation,

Luddite


I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you.
Sorry to hear it was a ruse.



My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting



Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats.

You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed.

Speaking of drama queens.
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

...Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)

Why are you such an obstreperous asshole?

Toad, go watch Luddite's video. You'll love it. You'll see what I mean
about 'behavior' vs. 'availability of guns'.

I noticed you didn't have a reply to that post. Wonder why?
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

....Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)

On 12/3/2014 4:48 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats.

You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed.
Speaking of drama queens.
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

...Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)

JPS is still ****ed that Harry shot Stumpy.

On 12/3/2014 5:27 PM, Let it snowe wrote:
On 12/3/2014 4:48 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats.

You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed.
Speaking of drama queens.
--

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a liberal."

...Peter Brimelow (Author)
(Thanks, Luddite!)

JPS is still ****ed that Harry shot Stumpy.

lol