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On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:48:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 11/28/2014 7:25 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/28/14 7:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/28/2014 3:48 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/27/14 10:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/27/2014 10:15 PM, KC wrote: On 11/27/2014 10:08 PM, wrote: On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:28:37 -0500, KC wrote: I think the first batch of wounds were actually pretty superficial. I would like to say Wilson was trying not to have to kill the punk but I fear it was just bad shooting. Some shots were never recovered and didn't hit Brown at all. I think like half... at the same time I do math and I can not see any way looking at a 6 foot 6 inch 300 pounder running at me, I would try to do anything but kill on every shot... no wounding. As to that, I have had a lot of cop friends and iirc, it's pretty much illegal to "fire a warning shot, or wound to slow down". Pull the trigger, it's lethal force, period... That is what they tell us in the CCW classes and they are usually police instructors doing it. The problem with most of these things is the cop forgets rule #1 "Aim". They spray and pray when one well placed shot would end it. Yeah, like I said I think I had heard that before. My dads rule was "never touch another mans gun unless you intend to fire it, and never fire it if you don't want to kill something"... Back to this wound thing.. or even follow thing the pundits and racists are saying... Again, this was a 300 pound 6'6 man closing from less than 35 feet away. Ask any quarterback if you have time to wound or slow down. And anybody at all who thinks after fighting with the cop, being shot, and turning around and attacking the shooter that kid woudln't have killed the cop if he closed in, is lying, or retarded... period... mostly just lying... Nobody is "lying" or "retarded" Scott. All that is being discussed here is speculative ideas on what may have actually happened. No one here was there to see it, including you. The multiple witnesses who were there and saw it have many conflicting stories and recollections. Nancy Grace is no slouch and she usually sides on the side of cops...not this time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-JuoQ4CQaI Nancy Grace gives me the creeps so I rarely watch or listen to her. People are posting an adult "rap" sheet on Brown, yet the Ferguson police department said he didn't have any kind of adult record. Others are claiming a juvenile record that tied Brown to a 2nd degree murder but nothing of the sort has been officially released. The only think I know for sure is that Brown was a punk. I know that because I saw him rob the store for the cigars, shove the proprietor around and intimidate him, as recorded by the store's video camera system. Did that or the events that followed justify killing him? I don't know. I wasn't there and the reports by witnesses are full of contradictions. The manner in which the county prosecutor handled the case via the Grand Jury is, according to most of the legal beagles who have commented, is not completely unheard of but *is* very unusual. Right on. It seems obvious the prosecutor did not want an indictment and that's the way the grand jury was led... Seems that way. He's an elected official. It appears like he wanted the Grand Jury deliberations to appear to be arm's length from him while still keeping his thumb on the scale. This is not based on any legal knowledge I have .... I don't have any. It's based on the statements made by many lawyers and legal experts that have commented on the way the GJ was presented evidence and ... (this is what is really strange) ... how the GJ was "charged" in determining how to come to a decision. If Brown was aggressively going after Wilson after taking at least a couple of gun shot hits, then I think Wilson acted appropriately. However, I don't just don't know for sure. Too many contradictory accounts by witnesses. Pay attention, Deputy: "Why spend the taxpayer's money on a losing case? Unless he wanted to placate the bed-wetting libs, like yourself." (Originally for Toad, but somewhat applicable here.) (by 3457629 +or-) |
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 22:08:07 -0500, wrote:
They spray and pray when one well placed shot would end it. === Usually they are trained to fire three shots at center of mass. |
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On 11/28/2014 9:09 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:48:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/28/2014 7:25 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/28/14 7:18 PM, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/28/2014 3:48 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/27/14 10:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/27/2014 10:15 PM, KC wrote: On 11/27/2014 10:08 PM, wrote: On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:28:37 -0500, KC wrote: I think the first batch of wounds were actually pretty superficial. I would like to say Wilson was trying not to have to kill the punk but I fear it was just bad shooting. Some shots were never recovered and didn't hit Brown at all. I think like half... at the same time I do math and I can not see any way looking at a 6 foot 6 inch 300 pounder running at me, I would try to do anything but kill on every shot... no wounding. As to that, I have had a lot of cop friends and iirc, it's pretty much illegal to "fire a warning shot, or wound to slow down". Pull the trigger, it's lethal force, period... That is what they tell us in the CCW classes and they are usually police instructors doing it. The problem with most of these things is the cop forgets rule #1 "Aim". They spray and pray when one well placed shot would end it. Yeah, like I said I think I had heard that before. My dads rule was "never touch another mans gun unless you intend to fire it, and never fire it if you don't want to kill something"... Back to this wound thing.. or even follow thing the pundits and racists are saying... Again, this was a 300 pound 6'6 man closing from less than 35 feet away. Ask any quarterback if you have time to wound or slow down. And anybody at all who thinks after fighting with the cop, being shot, and turning around and attacking the shooter that kid woudln't have killed the cop if he closed in, is lying, or retarded... period... mostly just lying... Nobody is "lying" or "retarded" Scott. All that is being discussed here is speculative ideas on what may have actually happened. No one here was there to see it, including you. The multiple witnesses who were there and saw it have many conflicting stories and recollections. Nancy Grace is no slouch and she usually sides on the side of cops...not this time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-JuoQ4CQaI Nancy Grace gives me the creeps so I rarely watch or listen to her. People are posting an adult "rap" sheet on Brown, yet the Ferguson police department said he didn't have any kind of adult record. Others are claiming a juvenile record that tied Brown to a 2nd degree murder but nothing of the sort has been officially released. The only think I know for sure is that Brown was a punk. I know that because I saw him rob the store for the cigars, shove the proprietor around and intimidate him, as recorded by the store's video camera system. Did that or the events that followed justify killing him? I don't know. I wasn't there and the reports by witnesses are full of contradictions. The manner in which the county prosecutor handled the case via the Grand Jury is, according to most of the legal beagles who have commented, is not completely unheard of but *is* very unusual. Right on. It seems obvious the prosecutor did not want an indictment and that's the way the grand jury was led... Seems that way. He's an elected official. It appears like he wanted the Grand Jury deliberations to appear to be arm's length from him while still keeping his thumb on the scale. This is not based on any legal knowledge I have .... I don't have any. It's based on the statements made by many lawyers and legal experts that have commented on the way the GJ was presented evidence and ... (this is what is really strange) ... how the GJ was "charged" in determining how to come to a decision. If Brown was aggressively going after Wilson after taking at least a couple of gun shot hits, then I think Wilson acted appropriately. However, I don't just don't know for sure. Too many contradictory accounts by witnesses. Pay attention, Deputy: "Why spend the taxpayer's money on a losing case? Unless he wanted to placate the bed-wetting libs, like yourself." (Originally for Toad, but somewhat applicable here.) (by 3457629 +or-) So in other words the conclusion and influence of one should satisfy the interests and concerns of all. Got it. That's not the function of an elected county prosecutor. |
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On 11/28/2014 9:34 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 22:08:07 -0500, wrote: They spray and pray when one well placed shot would end it. === Usually they are trained to fire three shots at center of mass. If I were a cop with a guy 300 pounds coming from 35 feet at a gallop, I might not stop till I heard three clicks of an empty chamber... |
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On 11/28/2014 11:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/28/2014 11:07 PM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:48:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: If Brown was aggressively going after Wilson after taking at least a couple of gun shot hits, then I think Wilson acted appropriately. However, I don't just don't know for sure. Too many contradictory accounts by witnesses. The blood evidence on the pavement showed that he turned around and came back at least 25 feet before he went down.. Turned around and came back 25 feet to do what? Wilson was armed. Brown was not. Look, I am not trying to make a case that Wilson was wrong in what he did. I just think the DA predetermined what he felt the GJ outcome should be and influenced it that way. That's what is unusual. Given what happened later, it may have been better to indite on some lesser charge, have a public trial, present all the same evidence and have Wilson found not guilty. And two million dollars later the riots would still come. What happened later had nothing to do with Wilson. It had to do with racist agitators like Sharpton and the punk's felon stepfather. All they saw was black man down white man standing; exactly the way our own rec.boats racist sees it. |
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On 11/28/2014 11:14 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 21:34:43 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 22:08:07 -0500, wrote: They spray and pray when one well placed shot would end it. === Usually they are trained to fire three shots at center of mass. I got that from an instructor in the late 60s-70s (one fast shot towards the bad guy as soon as you can get it off, then an aimed double tap) but that was modified to just a double tap. I don't actually see that. It seems they can't seem to fire less than 6 or 7 and most of the time it is a magazine dump. Most of the rounds are in the wind. Remember the guy they shot in New York, they fired about 40 rounds among several cops and hit 10 innocent bystanders. One of my buddys is a retired GA SP Captain. They were trained thusly. AIM, one to the torso, one to the head, repeat if necessary. |
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On 11/29/2014 7:46 AM, Toasty The Snowless Man wrote:
On 11/28/2014 11:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/28/2014 11:07 PM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:48:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: If Brown was aggressively going after Wilson after taking at least a couple of gun shot hits, then I think Wilson acted appropriately. However, I don't just don't know for sure. Too many contradictory accounts by witnesses. The blood evidence on the pavement showed that he turned around and came back at least 25 feet before he went down.. Turned around and came back 25 feet to do what? Wilson was armed. Brown was not. Look, I am not trying to make a case that Wilson was wrong in what he did. I just think the DA predetermined what he felt the GJ outcome should be and influenced it that way. That's what is unusual. Given what happened later, it may have been better to indite on some lesser charge, have a public trial, present all the same evidence and have Wilson found not guilty. And two million dollars later the riots would still come. What happened later had nothing to do with Wilson. It had to do with racist agitators like Sharpton and the punk's felon stepfather. All they saw was black man down white man standing; exactly the way our own rec.boats racist sees it. How many violent protests, demonstrations, burning of buildings, cars and looting occurred when the verdict for George Zimmerman was announced? None. There were some protests but they were all peaceful in nature. Granted, Zimmerman was not a cop but his trial was public for the world to see. His fate was not determined by an anonymous group hidden behind closed doors and with controlled evidence. |
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 21:27:16 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/28/14 9:07 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:52:27 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: You don't understand the purpose of a grand jury or what a prosecutor is supposed to do when presenting. It isn't to indict, necessarily, but in this case, the prosecutor seemingly did not want an indictment. "Why spend the taxpayer's money on a losing case? Unless he wanted to placate the bed-wetting libs, like yourself." (42580435) You are delusional if you think I give any consideration to the utterances of you and your right-wing racist buddies here, Johnny. On matters political and racial, you're all just clones of PsychoScotty. Toad, your response speaks for itself. |
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