The more...
 

On 11/28/2014 7:23 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
, I've never had an unpleasant personal encounter with the police.

Why not. You seem like the type to mouth off to a cop.

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On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:03:08 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 11/27/2014 9:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/27/2014 9:12 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 11/27/2014 8:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 11/26/14 9:05 PM, KC wrote:

Oh, and to snitchydick... yeah, I'm a bit ****ed.. My home was
burglarized last week and they went into the basement and ripped the
heating system out. My wife and I have been trying to save the home
for
over a year, this damage is just too much, we are probably gonna' just
have to sell it and find another income source..... I found out when I
went to show a perspective tenant.. either way, yeah, I am a bit
****ed
this week, in particular at folks who take from others.... and sneaky
cowards too...

Sorry to hear that. Hope things work out.

BTW, you may not like what I have to say sometimes but I am not a
"snitch" nor have I ever been. I have a reputation of being one of the
most loyal friends people can have, regardless of differences of
opinion. Not bragging .... it's just the way it is.



YES


Yeah. I think I deserve an alternate derogatory nickname.


Well foad, toad, and esad are taken. Do you have something in mind?

LOL! Deputy?

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On 11/28/2014 3:48 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/27/14 10:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/27/2014 10:15 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/27/2014 10:08 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:28:37 -0500, KC wrote:


I think the first batch of wounds were actually pretty superficial. I
would like to say Wilson was trying not to have to kill the punk
but I
fear it was just bad shooting. Some shots were never recovered and
didn't hit Brown at all.


I think like half... at the same time I do math and I can not see any
way looking at a 6 foot 6 inch 300 pounder running at me, I would
try to
do anything but kill on every shot... no wounding. As to that, I have
had a lot of cop friends and iirc, it's pretty much illegal to "fire a
warning shot, or wound to slow down". Pull the trigger, it's lethal
force, period...

That is what they tell us in the CCW classes and they are usually
police instructors doing it.

The problem with most of these things is the cop forgets rule #1
"Aim".
They spray and pray when one well placed shot would end it.


Yeah, like I said I think I had heard that before. My dads rule was
"never touch another mans gun unless you intend to fire it, and never
fire it if you don't want to kill something"...

Back to this wound thing.. or even follow thing the pundits and racists
are saying... Again, this was a 300 pound 6'6 man closing from less than
35 feet away. Ask any quarterback if you have time to wound or slow
down. And anybody at all who thinks after fighting with the cop, being
shot, and turning around and attacking the shooter that kid woudln't
have killed the cop if he closed in, is lying, or retarded... period...
mostly just lying...


Nobody is "lying" or "retarded" Scott. All that is being discussed here
is speculative ideas on what may have actually happened. No one here
was there to see it, including you. The multiple witnesses who were
there and saw it have many conflicting stories and recollections.








Nancy Grace is no slouch and she usually sides on the side of cops...not
this time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-JuoQ4CQaI

Who the ell is Nancy Grace? And how long has she been Al Sharpton's
bimbette?

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On 11/28/2014 3:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/28/14 3:38 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:03:08 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 11/27/2014 9:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/27/2014 9:12 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 11/27/2014 8:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 11/26/14 9:05 PM, KC wrote:

Oh, and to snitchydick... yeah, I'm a bit ****ed.. My home was
burglarized last week and they went into the basement and ripped
the
heating system out. My wife and I have been trying to save the home
for
over a year, this damage is just too much, we are probably
gonna' just
have to sell it and find another income source..... I found out
when I
went to show a perspective tenant.. either way, yeah, I am a bit
****ed
this week, in particular at folks who take from others.... and
sneaky
cowards too...

Sorry to hear that. Hope things work out.

BTW, you may not like what I have to say sometimes but I am not a
"snitch" nor have I ever been. I have a reputation of being one
of the
most loyal friends people can have, regardless of differences of
opinion. Not bragging .... it's just the way it is.



YES


Yeah. I think I deserve an alternate derogatory nickname.


Well foad, toad, and esad are taken. Do you have something in mind?

LOL! Deputy?


For Florida Jim?

FLEEG - Flat Line EEG

Flaming Asshole - no explanation needed



Oh, I forgot your most deserved one. "Asshat". When I read the moderator
dressing you down, I did several LOLs.

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On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 19:21:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/27/2014 5:30 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 13:15:40 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/27/2014 12:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 12:39:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/27/2014 12:33 PM, amdx wrote:
On 11/26/2014 4:30 PM, KC wrote:
I listen to Michael Brown's parents it's clear the way he was raised
They are the reason their son is dead, not the cop...

I thought it interesting that while the mother was watching the
interview with officer Darren Wilson, she said my son is not aggressive
he would not do that to the officer. This after they showed Michael
being "none aggressive" in the cigarette shop stealing cigars and
threatening the shop keeper.
I'm sure Micheal's friends know how he was, They should tell her.
Mikek


I still suspect drugs played a major role.


You said, all they found was pot in his system. We don't normally
associate that with violence. I think this guy was just a thug who
used his size as a weapon and he liked intimidating people. You see
that in the video and it was telling that the same pattern was given
in Wilson's statements before he had even seen the video.
He assaulted the shopkeeper, they charged him again when he did not
seem sufficiently intimidated. That is the same thing Wilson alleges.


It's a wild assed guess on my part but I keep thinking about the
connection of small cigars, pot, PCP and/or formaldehyde that are
combined to make a type of "blunt". I mentioned before that it causes a
feeling of invincibility in some people.

When you listen to Wilson's account of what happened and some of the
witness's accounts, Brown certainly seemed like he thought he was
invincible. He was hit with several bullets but still kept coming,
according to Wilson's and other accounts.



PCP should have popped on the tox screen.

I think the first batch of wounds were actually pretty superficial. I
would like to say Wilson was trying not to have to kill the punk but I
fear it was just bad shooting. Some shots were never recovered and
didn't hit Brown at all.



Maybe but here's what bothers me about the whole thing:

Brown and his little buddy obviously did not have some kind of death
wish and elected suicide by cop as the means of accomplishing it.
Brown had just robbed a store grabbing a box of cigars that presumably
were to be smoked or sold or whatever at a later time or date.
That isn't consistent with someone looking to get shot at by a cop.

The initial shots Wilson fired may have been superficial but Brown must
have known he was hit or being shot at. It's illogical that he would
turn and charge at Wilson knowing that Wilson had a gun and he (Brown)
was unarmed other than maybe the cigars. This is what makes me think of
the pot/other chemical thing producing a feeling of invincibility.

Or ... he really *was* trying to surrender.


Or maybe he was as f'ing stupid as he looks.

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On 11/28/2014 3:48 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/27/14 10:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/27/2014 10:15 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/27/2014 10:08 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:28:37 -0500, KC wrote:


I think the first batch of wounds were actually pretty superficial. I
would like to say Wilson was trying not to have to kill the punk
but I
fear it was just bad shooting. Some shots were never recovered and
didn't hit Brown at all.


I think like half... at the same time I do math and I can not see any
way looking at a 6 foot 6 inch 300 pounder running at me, I would
try to
do anything but kill on every shot... no wounding. As to that, I have
had a lot of cop friends and iirc, it's pretty much illegal to "fire a
warning shot, or wound to slow down". Pull the trigger, it's lethal
force, period...

That is what they tell us in the CCW classes and they are usually
police instructors doing it.

The problem with most of these things is the cop forgets rule #1
"Aim".
They spray and pray when one well placed shot would end it.


Yeah, like I said I think I had heard that before. My dads rule was
"never touch another mans gun unless you intend to fire it, and never
fire it if you don't want to kill something"...

Back to this wound thing.. or even follow thing the pundits and racists
are saying... Again, this was a 300 pound 6'6 man closing from less than
35 feet away. Ask any quarterback if you have time to wound or slow
down. And anybody at all who thinks after fighting with the cop, being
shot, and turning around and attacking the shooter that kid woudln't
have killed the cop if he closed in, is lying, or retarded... period...
mostly just lying...


Nobody is "lying" or "retarded" Scott. All that is being discussed here
is speculative ideas on what may have actually happened. No one here
was there to see it, including you. The multiple witnesses who were
there and saw it have many conflicting stories and recollections.








Nancy Grace is no slouch and she usually sides on the side of cops...not
this time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-JuoQ4CQaI



Nancy Grace gives me the creeps so I rarely watch or listen to her.

People are posting an adult "rap" sheet on Brown, yet the Ferguson
police department said he didn't have any kind of adult record. Others
are claiming a juvenile record that tied Brown to a 2nd degree murder
but nothing of the sort has been officially released.

The only think I know for sure is that Brown was a punk. I know that
because I saw him rob the store for the cigars, shove the proprietor
around and intimidate him, as recorded by the store's video camera system.

Did that or the events that followed justify killing him? I don't
know. I wasn't there and the reports by witnesses are full of
contradictions.

The manner in which the county prosecutor handled the case via the Grand
Jury is, according to most of the legal beagles who have commented, is
not completely unheard of but *is* very unusual.

The more...
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/28/2014 3:48 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/27/14 10:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/27/2014 10:15 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/27/2014 10:08 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:28:37 -0500, KC wrote:


I think the first batch of wounds were actually pretty superficial. I
would like to say Wilson was trying not to have to kill the punk
but I
fear it was just bad shooting. Some shots were never recovered and
didn't hit Brown at all.


I think like half... at the same time I do math and I can not see any
way looking at a 6 foot 6 inch 300 pounder running at me, I would
try to
do anything but kill on every shot... no wounding. As to that, I have
had a lot of cop friends and iirc, it's pretty much illegal to "fire a
warning shot, or wound to slow down". Pull the trigger, it's lethal
force, period...

That is what they tell us in the CCW classes and they are usually
police instructors doing it.

The problem with most of these things is the cop forgets rule #1
"Aim".
They spray and pray when one well placed shot would end it.


Yeah, like I said I think I had heard that before. My dads rule was
"never touch another mans gun unless you intend to fire it, and never
fire it if you don't want to kill something"...

Back to this wound thing.. or even follow thing the pundits and racists
are saying... Again, this was a 300 pound 6'6 man closing from less than
35 feet away. Ask any quarterback if you have time to wound or slow
down. And anybody at all who thinks after fighting with the cop, being
shot, and turning around and attacking the shooter that kid woudln't
have killed the cop if he closed in, is lying, or retarded... period...
mostly just lying...


Nobody is "lying" or "retarded" Scott. All that is being discussed here
is speculative ideas on what may have actually happened. No one here
was there to see it, including you. The multiple witnesses who were
there and saw it have many conflicting stories and recollections.








Nancy Grace is no slouch and she usually sides on the side of cops...not
this time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-JuoQ4CQaI



Nancy Grace gives me the creeps so I rarely watch or listen to her.

People are posting an adult "rap" sheet on Brown, yet the Ferguson police
department said he didn't have any kind of adult record. Others are
claiming a juvenile record that tied Brown to a 2nd degree murder but
nothing of the sort has been officially released.

The only think I know for sure is that Brown was a punk. I know that
because I saw him rob the store for the cigars, shove the proprietor
around and intimidate him, as recorded by the store's video camera system.

Did that or the events that followed justify killing him? I don't know.
I wasn't there and the reports by witnesses are full of contradictions.

The manner in which the county prosecutor handled the case via the Grand
Jury is, according to most of the legal beagles who have commented, is
not completely unheard of but *is* very unusual.

Right on.

The more...
 

On Friday, November 28, 2014 7:25:26 PM UTC-5, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/28/14 7:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/28/2014 3:48 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/27/14 10:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/27/2014 10:15 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/27/2014 10:08 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:28:37 -0500, KC wrote:


I think the first batch of wounds were actually pretty superficial. I
would like to say Wilson was trying not to have to kill the punk
but I
fear it was just bad shooting. Some shots were never recovered and
didn't hit Brown at all.


I think like half... at the same time I do math and I can not see any
way looking at a 6 foot 6 inch 300 pounder running at me, I would
try to
do anything but kill on every shot... no wounding. As to that, I have
had a lot of cop friends and iirc, it's pretty much illegal to "fire a
warning shot, or wound to slow down". Pull the trigger, it's lethal
force, period...

That is what they tell us in the CCW classes and they are usually
police instructors doing it.

The problem with most of these things is the cop forgets rule #1
"Aim".
They spray and pray when one well placed shot would end it.


Yeah, like I said I think I had heard that before. My dads rule was
"never touch another mans gun unless you intend to fire it, and never
fire it if you don't want to kill something"...

Back to this wound thing.. or even follow thing the pundits and racists
are saying... Again, this was a 300 pound 6'6 man closing from less than
35 feet away. Ask any quarterback if you have time to wound or slow
down. And anybody at all who thinks after fighting with the cop, being
shot, and turning around and attacking the shooter that kid woudln't
have killed the cop if he closed in, is lying, or retarded... period...
mostly just lying...


Nobody is "lying" or "retarded" Scott. All that is being discussed here
is speculative ideas on what may have actually happened. No one here
was there to see it, including you. The multiple witnesses who were
there and saw it have many conflicting stories and recollections.








Nancy Grace is no slouch and she usually sides on the side of cops...not
this time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-JuoQ4CQaI



Nancy Grace gives me the creeps so I rarely watch or listen to her.

People are posting an adult "rap" sheet on Brown, yet the Ferguson police
department said he didn't have any kind of adult record. Others are
claiming a juvenile record that tied Brown to a 2nd degree murder but
nothing of the sort has been officially released.

The only think I know for sure is that Brown was a punk. I know that
because I saw him rob the store for the cigars, shove the proprietor
around and intimidate him, as recorded by the store's video camera system.

Did that or the events that followed justify killing him? I don't know.
I wasn't there and the reports by witnesses are full of contradictions.

The manner in which the county prosecutor handled the case via the Grand
Jury is, according to most of the legal beagles who have commented, is
not completely unheard of but *is* very unusual.

Right on.


It seems obvious the prosecutor did not want an indictment and that's
the way the grand jury was led...

Why spend the taxpayer's money on a losing case? Unless he wanted to placate the bed-wetting libs, like yourself.

The more...
 

On 11/28/2014 7:38 PM, wrote:
On Friday, November 28, 2014 7:25:26 PM UTC-5, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/28/14 7:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/28/2014 3:48 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/27/14 10:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/27/2014 10:15 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/27/2014 10:08 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:28:37 -0500, KC wrote:


I think the first batch of wounds were actually pretty superficial. I
would like to say Wilson was trying not to have to kill the punk
but I
fear it was just bad shooting. Some shots were never recovered and
didn't hit Brown at all.


I think like half... at the same time I do math and I can not see any
way looking at a 6 foot 6 inch 300 pounder running at me, I would
try to
do anything but kill on every shot... no wounding. As to that, I have
had a lot of cop friends and iirc, it's pretty much illegal to "fire a
warning shot, or wound to slow down". Pull the trigger, it's lethal
force, period...

That is what they tell us in the CCW classes and they are usually
police instructors doing it.

The problem with most of these things is the cop forgets rule #1
"Aim".
They spray and pray when one well placed shot would end it.


Yeah, like I said I think I had heard that before. My dads rule was
"never touch another mans gun unless you intend to fire it, and never
fire it if you don't want to kill something"...

Back to this wound thing.. or even follow thing the pundits and racists
are saying... Again, this was a 300 pound 6'6 man closing from less than
35 feet away. Ask any quarterback if you have time to wound or slow
down. And anybody at all who thinks after fighting with the cop, being
shot, and turning around and attacking the shooter that kid woudln't
have killed the cop if he closed in, is lying, or retarded... period...
mostly just lying...


Nobody is "lying" or "retarded" Scott. All that is being discussed here
is speculative ideas on what may have actually happened. No one here
was there to see it, including you. The multiple witnesses who were
there and saw it have many conflicting stories and recollections.








Nancy Grace is no slouch and she usually sides on the side of cops...not
this time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-JuoQ4CQaI



Nancy Grace gives me the creeps so I rarely watch or listen to her.

People are posting an adult "rap" sheet on Brown, yet the Ferguson police
department said he didn't have any kind of adult record. Others are
claiming a juvenile record that tied Brown to a 2nd degree murder but
nothing of the sort has been officially released.

The only think I know for sure is that Brown was a punk. I know that
because I saw him rob the store for the cigars, shove the proprietor
around and intimidate him, as recorded by the store's video camera system.

Did that or the events that followed justify killing him? I don't know.
I wasn't there and the reports by witnesses are full of contradictions.

The manner in which the county prosecutor handled the case via the Grand
Jury is, according to most of the legal beagles who have commented, is
not completely unheard of but *is* very unusual.

Right on.


It seems obvious the prosecutor did not want an indictment and that's
the way the grand jury was led...

Why spend the taxpayer's money on a losing case? Unless he wanted to placate the bed-wetting libs, like yourself.


If anything they way overboard to make sure the right outcome was found.
People tend to be more honest in closed doors, when they are not
grandstanding for the court spectators or in this case what surely would
have been cameras. The grand jury even heard testimony from the
defendant, and the witnesses that weren't caught lying or didn't have to
admit they really didn't see what they said they saw, all came down
right along the line of the Wilson, and the forensics... It all adds
up, finished business... The cop is innocent, the kid tried to kill him
and lost, bury him and leave his mom to cry cause I doubt she will ever
figure out it was her fault...

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On 11/28/2014 7:25 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/28/14 7:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/28/2014 3:48 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/27/14 10:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/27/2014 10:15 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/27/2014 10:08 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 20:28:37 -0500, KC
wrote:


I think the first batch of wounds were actually pretty
superficial. I
would like to say Wilson was trying not to have to kill the punk
but I
fear it was just bad shooting. Some shots were never recovered and
didn't hit Brown at all.


I think like half... at the same time I do math and I can not
see any
way looking at a 6 foot 6 inch 300 pounder running at me, I would
try to
do anything but kill on every shot... no wounding. As to that, I
have
had a lot of cop friends and iirc, it's pretty much illegal to
"fire a
warning shot, or wound to slow down". Pull the trigger, it's lethal
force, period...

That is what they tell us in the CCW classes and they are usually
police instructors doing it.

The problem with most of these things is the cop forgets rule #1
"Aim".
They spray and pray when one well placed shot would end it.


Yeah, like I said I think I had heard that before. My dads rule was
"never touch another mans gun unless you intend to fire it, and never
fire it if you don't want to kill something"...

Back to this wound thing.. or even follow thing the pundits and
racists
are saying... Again, this was a 300 pound 6'6 man closing from
less than
35 feet away. Ask any quarterback if you have time to wound or slow
down. And anybody at all who thinks after fighting with the cop,
being
shot, and turning around and attacking the shooter that kid woudln't
have killed the cop if he closed in, is lying, or retarded...
period...
mostly just lying...


Nobody is "lying" or "retarded" Scott. All that is being discussed
here
is speculative ideas on what may have actually happened. No one here
was there to see it, including you. The multiple witnesses who were
there and saw it have many conflicting stories and recollections.








Nancy Grace is no slouch and she usually sides on the side of
cops...not
this time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-JuoQ4CQaI



Nancy Grace gives me the creeps so I rarely watch or listen to her.

People are posting an adult "rap" sheet on Brown, yet the Ferguson
police
department said he didn't have any kind of adult record. Others are
claiming a juvenile record that tied Brown to a 2nd degree murder but
nothing of the sort has been officially released.

The only think I know for sure is that Brown was a punk. I know that
because I saw him rob the store for the cigars, shove the proprietor
around and intimidate him, as recorded by the store's video camera
system.

Did that or the events that followed justify killing him? I don't
know.
I wasn't there and the reports by witnesses are full of contradictions.

The manner in which the county prosecutor handled the case via the Grand
Jury is, according to most of the legal beagles who have commented, is
not completely unheard of but *is* very unusual.

Right on.


It seems obvious the prosecutor did not want an indictment and that's
the way the grand jury was led...



Seems that way. He's an elected official. It appears like he wanted
the Grand Jury deliberations to appear to be arm's length from him while
still keeping his thumb on the scale. This is not based on any legal
knowledge I have .... I don't have any. It's based on the statements
made by many lawyers and legal experts that have commented on the way
the GJ was presented evidence and ... (this is what is really strange)
.... how the GJ was "charged" in determining how to come to a decision.

If Brown was aggressively going after Wilson after taking at least a
couple of gun shot hits, then I think Wilson acted appropriately.
However, I don't just don't know for sure. Too many contradictory
accounts by witnesses.