On 11/18/14 4:46 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 15:41:35 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/18/14 1:12 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 06:50:08 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/18/14 12:51 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 22:22:10 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:




If you mean the palins, they are not subsistence hunters. I have no idea
who the "motor city mad man" is. I have no objection to, for example,
tribesmen who hunt because it is the only way they can feed themselves
and their families. You really should stop coming to conclusions based
upon your wild-assed guesses.

So someone who just hunts to supplement their income is evil?
Do you feel the same about gardening?

Personally I do not see much difference between shooting a deer and
paying Giant food to kill a steer, butcher and wrap it for me.
Both are going to be a dead mammal that we cook and eat.




*My* point was that there is no morality in non-subsistence hunting. If
a family with very little money can put food on the table or have
something to sell or trade by hunting, then *that* is subsistence hunting.

You don't seem to understand the point.

Maybe I do.

If the hunter is eating the game, it is subsistence hunting.

Not by the normal definition of subsistence hunting.


TOAD, you don't hunt. What makes you think you know so much about the
subject?


I can read for comprehension. That gave me better choices than joining
the army.

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Just because you are opposed to abortion doesn’t make you pro-life. Your
morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a
child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed, not a child
clothed, not a child able to see the doctor. That’s not pro-life…that’s
pro-birth.

On 11/18/14 5:07 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 15:41:35 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/18/14 1:12 PM, wrote:

You don't seem to understand the point.

Maybe I do.

If the hunter is eating the game, it is subsistence hunting.

Not by the normal definition of subsistence hunting.

A pound of meat taken home from a hunt is a pound of meat that didn't
come off a factory farm. That should be worth something to all of you
global warming and pollution folks.


And has nothing to do with subsistence hunting.

--
Just because you are opposed to abortion doesn’t make you pro-life. Your
morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a
child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed, not a child
clothed, not a child able to see the doctor. That’s not pro-life…that’s
pro-birth.

On 11/18/14 5:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 15:41:35 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not by the normal definition of subsistence hunting.

BTW I noticed that you ducked the question about taking invasive
exotics.


No, just not playing your change the subject game.

--
Just because you are opposed to abortion doesn’t make you pro-life. Your
morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a
child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed, not a child
clothed, not a child able to see the doctor. That’s not pro-life…that’s
pro-birth.

On 11/18/14 5:29 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/18/2014 5:21 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 17:09:02 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 15:41:35 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not by the normal definition of subsistence hunting.

BTW I noticed that you ducked the question about taking invasive
exotics.

If he agreed with it, he'd have to agree to shooting mute swans.
They're raising hell with the Chesapeake.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n..._muteswan.html

Perhaps a few relocated pythons could help with our problem? I hear
they're getting more and more used to cold weather.


cough**** CANADA GEESEcough Just sayin'...

You probably have.

--
Just because you are opposed to abortion doesn’t make you pro-life. Your
morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a
child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed, not a child
clothed, not a child able to see the doctor. That’s not pro-life…that’s
pro-birth.

wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 15:41:35 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/18/14 1:12 PM, wrote:

You don't seem to understand the point.

Maybe I do.

If the hunter is eating the game, it is subsistence hunting.

Not by the normal definition of subsistence hunting.

A pound of meat taken home from a hunt is a pound of meat that didn't
come off a factory farm. That should be worth something to all of you
global warming and pollution folks.

And probably much healthier eating.

wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:01:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On 11/18/14 11:15 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

When I kill an animal or bird, TOAD, I eat it for dinner that night or
the next. If I didn't eat it for dinner, I'd be hungry that night.
Therefore I'm a subsistence hunter.


Or, you could hop on the 'guzi and run down to the supermarket to buy a
nice, thick steak.



My preference ;-)

Thick pork chop, better.

On 11/18/2014 5:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 16:44:24 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 15:51:25 -0500, wrote:

Does that mean we should be shooting illegal immigrants?

(just a joke, relax)

If we did that, who would do all of the hard work?

We would starve, nothing would be built and the grass would be over
the house.

And the Democrats would lose lots of votes!

I think the democrats are overestimating the number of immigrants they
are going to pick up. These people may start out as democrats but once
they get their businesses going, they will be republicans and
immigrants are the ones most likely to actually start a small business
... at least that is what we see here.
The biggest factor is usually oppressive regulations that actually
favor the same large corporations the democrats say they are against.
A company like Walmart can afford a compliance division and a staff to
sort through all of this red tape. Jose and Julio's little fruit store
doesn't stand a chance.



Nonsense.

Jose and Julio's are unlikely to start out anywhere near the scale of a
Walmart. Much more likely as a sole proprietorship or simple "S" or
"C" corporation. Very simple and inexpensive process to file.

Jose and Julio will most likely rent or buy a small, existing facility
to conduct their business in. Local codes and rules apply for an
occupancy permit but certainly not a major deal.

On 11/18/2014 6:17 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:01:14 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


On 11/18/14 11:15 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

When I kill an animal or bird, TOAD, I eat it for dinner that night or
the next. If I didn't eat it for dinner, I'd be hungry that night.
Therefore I'm a subsistence hunter.


Or, you could hop on the 'guzi and run down to the supermarket to buy a
nice, thick steak.



My preference ;-)

Thick pork chop, better.



I go along with that. Not overcooked though. Too often chops are
overcooked and dried out.

On 11/18/14 7:12 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 17:49:08 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/18/14 5:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 15:41:35 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not by the normal definition of subsistence hunting.

BTW I noticed that you ducked the question about taking invasive
exotics.


No, just not playing your change the subject game.

You are talking about hunting. Hog hunting is hunting, in fact a very
popular type of hunting here. That is not changing the subject at all.

For that matter white tail deer are reaching unsustainable populations
all over the country. I bet you think shooting them is wrong too.
Is dying from starvation and disease better than simply being shot?
I suppose we could round them up and kill them in a slaughterhouse.
You think that is OK for other mammals we eat..


I was discussing subsistence hunting. You know, the sort of hunting
people engage in when they cannot afford to shop at the market or live
out in the wilderness with no markets nearby. I have no objections to
subsistence hunting.

--
Just because you are opposed to abortion doesn’t make you pro-life. Your
morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a
child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed, not a child
clothed, not a child able to see the doctor. That’s not pro-life…that’s
pro-birth.

On 11/18/14 7:39 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 18:45:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/18/2014 5:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 16:44:24 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 15:51:25 -0500, wrote:

Does that mean we should be shooting illegal immigrants?

(just a joke, relax)

If we did that, who would do all of the hard work?

We would starve, nothing would be built and the grass would be over
the house.

And the Democrats would lose lots of votes!

I think the democrats are overestimating the number of immigrants they
are going to pick up. These people may start out as democrats but once
they get their businesses going, they will be republicans and
immigrants are the ones most likely to actually start a small business
... at least that is what we see here.
The biggest factor is usually oppressive regulations that actually
favor the same large corporations the democrats say they are against.
A company like Walmart can afford a compliance division and a staff to
sort through all of this red tape. Jose and Julio's little fruit store
doesn't stand a chance.



Nonsense.

Jose and Julio's are unlikely to start out anywhere near the scale of a
Walmart. Much more likely as a sole proprietorship or simple "S" or
"C" corporation. Very simple and inexpensive process to file.

Jose and Julio will most likely rent or buy a small, existing facility
to conduct their business in. Local codes and rules apply for an
occupancy permit but certainly not a major deal.



You are just talking about their business license (what they call a
business tax receipt in Florida ... fact)
It does not actually allow you to do anything but have a business
address and pay taxes on it. If you are just selling fresh fruit your
store needs to meet a number of health department regulations, you
need to have documentation about where ther fruit actually came from
(a lot of fruit can't even come into Florida) and it has to be clearly
labeled by country of origin. Your stand also needs to meet fire
codes, egress codes, building codes and have an assortment of signs
and placards, perhaps even sprinklers.
If you actually have the gaul to try to sell any kind of prepared food
you have not even scratched the surface of the rules you are dealing
with. When you hire someone to work behind the counter there is
another bureaucracy that kicks in (IRS, OSHA, the Labor department
several kinds of insurance)
All that and you might even have a DEA SWAT team come in and dump out
all of your fruit boxes looking for dope.

You really should talk to my buddy Ammet who runs the little stand at
the end of my street. He will tell you about things I forgot.


Ahh...libertarianism...no regs because tainted food makes you strong.

--
Just because you are opposed to abortion doesn’t make you pro-life. Your
morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a
child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed, not a child
clothed, not a child able to see the doctor. That’s not pro-life…that’s
pro-birth.