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Harrold

On 11/16/2014 12:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 07:32:55 -0500, Harrold wrote:

Maybe not. Ballistics checks on those guns might tie them to unsolved
crimes. I hope you keep your bills of sales for gun purchases.

I think "ballistics tests" are more of a hoax than a science.
Certainly I agree, if you have a fresh bullet to compare to one
recently fired from a suspect gun, you can get a reasonable match but
if you are comparing a bullet fired from a new gun to one fired
several thousand rounds later, I doubt it would match all that well.

I have said before, how much difference would there be between 2 guns
that came off the same line on the same day. If you can believe all of
that "tool mark" forensics we hear about,. 2 barrels made by the same
machine sequentially should have very similar tool marks. It would
definitely be closer than one of those barrels that had a few thousand
rounds worth of barrel erosion.

That may be why Maryland has yet to solve a crime from all of those
bullets they have been collecting.

BTW why would I need a bill of sale for guns I own?
I might understand it for one I sold, if it traced back to me somehow
but I probably only have 2 that could be and I have no plans to sell
them.

To help your lawyer prove that a gun wasn't in your possession when a
crime was committed with it.

Mr. Luddite

On 11/16/2014 11:31 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 15:59:57 -0500, Harrold wrote:

BTW why would I need a bill of sale for guns I own?
I might understand it for one I sold, if it traced back to me somehow
but I probably only have 2 that could be and I have no plans to sell
them.

To help your lawyer prove that a gun wasn't in your possession when a
crime was committed with it.

How does a piece of paper do that? Cops put the gun in your hand with
forensic evidence.

If the gun can't be traced to me, how go they even show up at my door
in the first place.

I get a kick out of how you continue to give reasons that registration
is a good idea, while arguing against it.

I also get a kick out of how both you and John are only concerned about
the gun ever being traced back to the original owner. That's not the
benefit of registration.

The "too big to manage" argument doesn't hold up either. There are
several examples of huge data bases managed by the federal and state
governments that run smoothly and efficiently. One is a reporting
system here in MA that registers a firearm to a new owner when
transferred to him in a private sale. All done on-line and doesn't cost
a penny,

Mr. Luddite

On 11/17/2014 11:14 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 05:18:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/16/2014 11:31 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 15:59:57 -0500, Harrold wrote:

BTW why would I need a bill of sale for guns I own?
I might understand it for one I sold, if it traced back to me somehow
but I probably only have 2 that could be and I have no plans to sell
them.

To help your lawyer prove that a gun wasn't in your possession when a
crime was committed with it.

How does a piece of paper do that? Cops put the gun in your hand with
forensic evidence.

If the gun can't be traced to me, how go they even show up at my door
in the first place.

I get a kick out of how you continue to give reasons that registration
is a good idea, while arguing against it.

Why would I want to attract police attention to myself?

I also get a kick out of how both you and John are only concerned about
the gun ever being traced back to the original owner. That's not the
benefit of registration.

The "too big to manage" argument doesn't hold up either. There are
several examples of huge data bases managed by the federal and state
governments that run smoothly and efficiently. One is a reporting
system here in MA that registers a firearm to a new owner when
transferred to him in a private sale. All done on-line and doesn't cost
a penny,

Everything costs money. there ain't no free lunch.
The more accurate the database, the more it costs.
The reason why most of your on;line experiences seem to be free is
because of advertising. Do you really want the gun registration
database to be advertiser supported with all of the data to be for
sale to anyone who will pay for it?
If the government operates this database it will cost a lot of money
to maintain and for what?
Criminals will want guns that are untraceable and all it takes to
break that chain of custody is one theft or loss.
The receiving stolen property charge will disappear in the cloud of
felonies most of these guys get arrested for and you can generate that
with a simple theft report.

Need to start somewhere, don't we? Again you are arguing against yourself.

Wayne.B

On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:31:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Need to start somewhere, don't we?

===

No.

Poco Loco

On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 11:31:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/17/2014 11:14 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014 05:18:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/16/2014 11:31 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014 15:59:57 -0500, Harrold wrote:

BTW why would I need a bill of sale for guns I own?
I might understand it for one I sold, if it traced back to me somehow
but I probably only have 2 that could be and I have no plans to sell
them.

To help your lawyer prove that a gun wasn't in your possession when a
crime was committed with it.

How does a piece of paper do that? Cops put the gun in your hand with
forensic evidence.

If the gun can't be traced to me, how go they even show up at my door
in the first place.

I get a kick out of how you continue to give reasons that registration
is a good idea, while arguing against it.

Why would I want to attract police attention to myself?

I also get a kick out of how both you and John are only concerned about
the gun ever being traced back to the original owner. That's not the
benefit of registration.

The "too big to manage" argument doesn't hold up either. There are
several examples of huge data bases managed by the federal and state
governments that run smoothly and efficiently. One is a reporting
system here in MA that registers a firearm to a new owner when
transferred to him in a private sale. All done on-line and doesn't cost
a penny,

Everything costs money. there ain't no free lunch.
The more accurate the database, the more it costs.
The reason why most of your on;line experiences seem to be free is
because of advertising. Do you really want the gun registration
database to be advertiser supported with all of the data to be for
sale to anyone who will pay for it?
If the government operates this database it will cost a lot of money
to maintain and for what?
Criminals will want guns that are untraceable and all it takes to
break that chain of custody is one theft or loss.
The receiving stolen property charge will disappear in the cloud of
felonies most of these guys get arrested for and you can generate that
with a simple theft report.

Need to start somewhere, don't we? Again you are arguing against yourself.

The question is not where or when to start...but where or when will it
end?

You seem to think all liberals are stand-up, keep their word type guys
- like you.

Remember, Krause is one of them.

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