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Thank you, Richard!!!
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/14/2014 8:52 PM, wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:36:18 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/14/14 12:19 PM, wrote: I am a (CCW) licensed owner so most of this does not apply to me anyway but again, if these sellers are willing to break an existing law, what would make them follow another law? You don't seem able to comprehend the "gun show loophole." It's not just a loophole for gunshows, either. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia buyer in Virginia, I called the VSP to find out what I needed to do to make the transaction kosher. "Individual to individual, we don't care" was the response. I went through an FFL. I am not sure who you talked to in the VSP but it is a violation of that federal law I cited to sell a gun to a person from another state and it is illegal to buy one from another state without at least one FFL involved in each state.. That has been true since 1968. Right. The problem is that with no requirements for background checks or transaction reporting of private sales, who's gonna catch 'em? Money is exchanged, gun is transferred with no records kept. And what would the records provide in the way of crime solving? |
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Thank you, Richard!!!
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 21:05:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 11/14/2014 8:52 PM, wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:36:18 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/14/14 12:19 PM, wrote: I am a (CCW) licensed owner so most of this does not apply to me anyway but again, if these sellers are willing to break an existing law, what would make them follow another law? You don't seem able to comprehend the "gun show loophole." It's not just a loophole for gunshows, either. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia buyer in Virginia, I called the VSP to find out what I needed to do to make the transaction kosher. "Individual to individual, we don't care" was the response. I went through an FFL. I am not sure who you talked to in the VSP but it is a violation of that federal law I cited to sell a gun to a person from another state and it is illegal to buy one from another state without at least one FFL involved in each state.. That has been true since 1968. Right. The problem is that with no requirements for background checks or transaction reporting of private sales, who's gonna catch 'em? Money is exchanged, gun is transferred with no records kept. Talk about naive. How would another law stop them? Who would catch them if they didn't report the transaction? You reckon all those folks in Chicago, etc., would start reporting transactions? |
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Thank you, Richard!!!
Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 21:05:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/14/2014 8:52 PM, wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:36:18 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/14/14 12:19 PM, wrote: I am a (CCW) licensed owner so most of this does not apply to me anyway but again, if these sellers are willing to break an existing law, what would make them follow another law? You don't seem able to comprehend the "gun show loophole." It's not just a loophole for gunshows, either. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia buyer in Virginia, I called the VSP to find out what I needed to do to make the transaction kosher. "Individual to individual, we don't care" was the response. I went through an FFL. I am not sure who you talked to in the VSP but it is a violation of that federal law I cited to sell a gun to a person from another state and it is illegal to buy one from another state without at least one FFL involved in each state.. That has been true since 1968. Right. The problem is that with no requirements for background checks or transaction reporting of private sales, who's gonna catch 'em? Money is exchanged, gun is transferred with no records kept. Talk about naive. How would another law stop them? Who would catch them if they didn't report the transaction? You reckon all those folks in Chicago, etc., would start reporting transactions? That's the problem. "Street guns" are going to change hands without regulation no matter what laws are passed. Recording a sale through an FFL will protect the rest of us if any of our guns fall into the wrong hands later. |
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Thank you, Richard!!!
On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 02:03:59 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 21:05:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/14/2014 8:52 PM, wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:36:18 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/14/14 12:19 PM, wrote: I am a (CCW) licensed owner so most of this does not apply to me anyway but again, if these sellers are willing to break an existing law, what would make them follow another law? You don't seem able to comprehend the "gun show loophole." It's not just a loophole for gunshows, either. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia buyer in Virginia, I called the VSP to find out what I needed to do to make the transaction kosher. "Individual to individual, we don't care" was the response. I went through an FFL. I am not sure who you talked to in the VSP but it is a violation of that federal law I cited to sell a gun to a person from another state and it is illegal to buy one from another state without at least one FFL involved in each state.. That has been true since 1968. Right. The problem is that with no requirements for background checks or transaction reporting of private sales, who's gonna catch 'em? Money is exchanged, gun is transferred with no records kept. Who would catch them if there was another law? The wording of the federal law is sufficient to prosecute both the buyers and sellers in that CNN piece and also prosecute the guys who took them across state lines. It is just not anything the BATF is willing to pursue. That is not really an investigatory agency. Most of their time is spent simply trying to audit the transactions that are required to be recorded now. They barely get to each dealer once a year, if that and it is a cursory inspection of records at best. Occasionally they will identify a suspected "bad dealer:" and tear his records apart, warranted or not but most of the time it is like the DMV. They just plod along. The abuses of the BATF Swat teams seems to be largely in the past but they still happen. A dummy hand grenade seems to be the biggest offense these days. Nobody seems capable of looking at the bottom and figuring out it is hollow inside,.The blue spoon is lost on them too, Amen. |
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