On 11/14/2014 7:47 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:44:20 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

You
should not be able to buy or sell or gift a firearm without paperwork
recording the giver, seller and buyer.

===

That's your opinion because it is the party line of all weenies just
like you.



You can add me to your "weenie" file because I agree with him.

BTW, it's not the Federal Government you need to worry about so much.
State governments can and do create and enforce their own gun laws.

If everyone remains unwilling to give a bit, Florida may end up
like Massachusetts.

That's why I am an advocate of uniform and standardized laws that
everyone can live with.

BTW ... state laws for guns on board vary also. Wouldn't it be nice if
they were all the same when you travel?

On 11/14/2014 8:33 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/14/2014 7:47 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:44:20 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

You
should not be able to buy or sell or gift a firearm without paperwork
recording the giver, seller and buyer.

===

That's your opinion because it is the party line of all weenies just
like you.



You can add me to your "weenie" file because I agree with him.

BTW, it's not the Federal Government you need to worry about so much.
State governments can and do create and enforce their own gun laws.

If everyone remains unwilling to give a bit, Florida may end up
like Massachusetts.

That's why I am an advocate of uniform and standardized laws that
everyone can live with.

BTW ... state laws for guns on board vary also. Wouldn't it be nice if
they were all the same when you travel?

There are a lot of good reasons for having State lines, and State laws..
unless you believe in one central power base. Apparently (to me anyway)
the framers didn't want that.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 20:33:54 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/14/2014 7:47 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:44:20 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

You
should not be able to buy or sell or gift a firearm without paperwork
recording the giver, seller and buyer.

===

That's your opinion because it is the party line of all weenies just
like you.



You can add me to your "weenie" file because I agree with him.


===
I've never regarded you as a weenie but if you want to be one, I can't
stop you.

BTW, it's not the Federal Government you need to worry about so much.
State governments can and do create and enforce their own gun laws.

If everyone remains unwilling to give a bit, Florida may end up
like Massachusetts.


===
That is extremely unlikely. There are a lot of people in Florida who
would advocate seceding from the US before they'd let that happen. Let
me understand this however. As a resident of a state with highly
restrictive gun laws, some of which seem to make little or no sense,
you think it is your duty to export that nonsense to other states
where sanity still prevails?

That's why I am an advocate of uniform and standardized laws that
everyone can live with.

BTW ... state laws for guns on board vary also. Wouldn't it be nice if
they were all the same when you travel?

===
I've never felt the need to carry a gun on the boat in this country.
If I did feel the need, I could always carry a long gun. Most likely
I'd just stop cruising however.

On 11/15/2014 7:27 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
That is extremely unlikely. There are a lot of people in Florida who
would advocate seceding from the US before they'd let that happen. Let
me understand this however. As a resident of a state with highly
restrictive gun laws, some of which seem to make little or no sense,
you think it is your duty to export that nonsense to other states
where sanity still prevails?

You can't even clean up your property in that state without special
permissions.

On 11/15/2014 7:27 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 20:33:54 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/14/2014 7:47 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:44:20 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

You
should not be able to buy or sell or gift a firearm without paperwork
recording the giver, seller and buyer.

===

That's your opinion because it is the party line of all weenies just
like you.



You can add me to your "weenie" file because I agree with him.


===
I've never regarded you as a weenie but if you want to be one, I can't
stop you.

BTW, it's not the Federal Government you need to worry about so much.
State governments can and do create and enforce their own gun laws.

If everyone remains unwilling to give a bit, Florida may end up
like Massachusetts.


===
That is extremely unlikely. There are a lot of people in Florida who
would advocate seceding from the US before they'd let that happen. Let
me understand this however. As a resident of a state with highly
restrictive gun laws, some of which seem to make little or no sense,
you think it is your duty to export that nonsense to other states
where sanity still prevails?

That's why I am an advocate of uniform and standardized laws that
everyone can live with.

BTW ... state laws for guns on board vary also. Wouldn't it be nice if
they were all the same when you travel?

===
I've never felt the need to carry a gun on the boat in this country.
If I did feel the need, I could always carry a long gun. Most likely
I'd just stop cruising however.



Wayne, there is no question that Massachusetts has gone overboard in
some of it's gun control measures IMO. The worst in my mind is the
convoluted and mysterious way in which the types and models of handguns
are "approved" for sale in the state. It's a case of government
over-reaching .... or a case of outright bribery and corruption. I am
not sure which.

Although it doesn't really affect what I do I think limits on magazine
sizes doesn't make a firearm any safer nor does a requirement for a 10lb
trigger pull. IMO, those are "real good" laws that don't really add to
any safety issues.


The only gun control regulations that make sense to me a

A gun handling and safety course requirement that includes an overview
of federal, state and local laws governing the use of firearms and:

A background check for a license and an instant background
check when making gun purchases, and:

The registration of purchased firearms tying it's serial number
to the original and subsequent owners.

I'd love to see reciprocal recognition of licenses or permits throughout
all the states. It may be possible someday if all
the states had the minimum requirements of background checks and
registration.

I don't see any of those requirements as being unreasonable or an
infringement on the right to own a firearm. I see them as being
responsible gun ownership.

On 11/15/2014 8:38 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:


Although it doesn't really affect what I do I think limits on magazine
sizes doesn't make a firearm any safer nor does a requirement for a 10lb
trigger pull. IMO, those are "real good" laws that don't really add to
any safety issues.

Meant to type "feel good" not "real good". Can't even blame that on
a spell checker. :-)

In article ,
says...

I've never regarded you as a weenie but if you want to be one, I
can't stop you.



Wayne, there is no question that Massachusetts has gone overboard in
some of it's gun control measures IMO. The worst in my mind is the
convoluted and mysterious way in which the types and models of handguns
are "approved" for sale in the state. It's a case of government
over-reaching .... or a case of outright bribery and corruption. I am
not sure which.

Although it doesn't really affect what I do I think limits on magazine
sizes doesn't make a firearm any safer nor does a requirement for a 10lb
trigger pull. IMO, those are "real good" laws that don't really add to
any safety issues.


The only gun control regulations that make sense to me a

A gun handling and safety course requirement that includes an overview
of federal, state and local laws governing the use of firearms and:

A background check for a license and an instant background
check when making gun purchases, and:

The registration of purchased firearms tying it's serial number
to the original and subsequent owners.

I'd love to see reciprocal recognition of licenses or permits throughout
all the states. It may be possible someday if all
the states had the minimum requirements of background checks and
registration.

I don't see any of those requirements as being unreasonable or an
infringement on the right to own a firearm. I see them as being
responsible gun ownership.

The guy calls you a weenie, and you're talking to him?
Give it up. You'll find no joy here.

On 11/15/2014 9:26 AM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

I've never regarded you as a weenie but if you want to be one, I
can't stop you.



Wayne, there is no question that Massachusetts has gone overboard in
some of it's gun control measures IMO. The worst in my mind is the
convoluted and mysterious way in which the types and models of handguns
are "approved" for sale in the state. It's a case of government
over-reaching .... or a case of outright bribery and corruption. I am
not sure which.

Although it doesn't really affect what I do I think limits on magazine
sizes doesn't make a firearm any safer nor does a requirement for a 10lb
trigger pull. IMO, those are "real good" laws that don't really add to
any safety issues.


The only gun control regulations that make sense to me a

A gun handling and safety course requirement that includes an overview
of federal, state and local laws governing the use of firearms and:

A background check for a license and an instant background
check when making gun purchases, and:

The registration of purchased firearms tying it's serial number
to the original and subsequent owners.

I'd love to see reciprocal recognition of licenses or permits throughout
all the states. It may be possible someday if all
the states had the minimum requirements of background checks and
registration.

I don't see any of those requirements as being unreasonable or an
infringement on the right to own a firearm. I see them as being
responsible gun ownership.

The guy calls you a weenie, and you're talking to him?
Give it up. You'll find no joy here.



I've been called worse.

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 08:38:43 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:



The only gun control regulations that make sense to me a

A gun handling and safety course requirement that includes an overview
of federal, state and local laws governing the use of firearms and:

Which would have to be approved by the government, require paperwork
for proof of attendance, require the bureaucracy to manage the
paperwork, and of course require recertification every three years.


A background check for a license and an instant background
check when making gun purchases, and:

Which is already a requirement for purchase from a dealer. Give
individuals the ability to get the instant background check by putting
in a social security number.


The registration of purchased firearms tying it's serial number
to the original and subsequent owners.

Why? If the gun is used to commit a crime the police want the guy who
used it.

I'd love to see reciprocal recognition of licenses or permits throughout
all the states. It may be possible someday if all
the states had the minimum requirements of background checks and
registration.

I'd love to see Virginia's laws adopted by all the states.

I don't see any of those requirements as being unreasonable or an
infringement on the right to own a firearm. I see them as being
responsible gun ownership.


Would the requirement for a voter ID card be an infringement on the
rights of voters?

*Any* additional demands on those involved in the transfer of a
firearm is an 'infringement'. The question has to do with the degree
of infringement.

Where does it end? You indicate happiness with lots of paperwork.
Bloomberg wouldn't like your solution at all. Many others would push
for a total ban on guns and confiscation.

On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:50:09 -0500, wrote:

The best I can tell the NICS is based on name and DOB.

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As I understand it the preferred NCIS identifier is driver's license
number. We were told that by the coast guard after they refused to
accept our US passports as valid ID.